FIRE WELTMAN

[JoshuaPotter]

You fire Weltman yet Martins is making the new hire…look at the offensive numbers since Vander Weide left and Martins took over….

Must be nice to run a billion dollar organization and not be liable to results…

The Magic franchise is just a money printing factory for the land development the owners have going on outside Kia Center.

There it is! lol. Love it.

[Fortune Teller]

So I guess Jeff has given up on the season? I mean you could make an argument he never started trying to begin with, but what's up with not looking for a temp to replace Suggs when you have a team that, at worst, is going to be in the play-in? It's hard to question the players' commitment when the front office is sending a clear message that it's not even worth trying to make some first-round noise.

This is not to say I think this team is good enough to do that, but the point of sports is to compete. No replacement for Moe Wagner, no replacement for Suggs. See ya in training camp fellas! Jeff is already in St. Kitts!

[Skybox]

You fire Weltman yet Martins is making the new hire…look at the offensive numbers since Vander Weide left and Martins took over….

Must be nice to run a billion dollar organization and not be liable to results…

The Magic franchise is just a money printing factory for the land development the owners have going on outside Kia Center.

There it is! lol. Love it.

I wouldn't even give them that much credit...the land development has been stagnant for years. I vote "incompetent"

[YosemiteSam]

So I guess Jeff has given up on the season? I mean you could make an argument he never started trying to begin with, but what's up with not looking for a temp to replace Suggs when you have a team that, at worst, is going to be in the play-in? It's hard to question the players' commitment when the front office is sending a clear message that it's not even worth trying to make some first-round noise.

This is not to say I think this team is good enough to do that, but the point of sports is to compete. No replacement for Moe Wagner, no replacement for Suggs. See ya in training camp fellas! Jeff is already in St. Kitts!

Why bother when we have Cory Joseph to step in for us?

[I Rasharted]

Bump.

[cedric76]

Weltman built a nice team but injuries screwed us.

There were no move out there in feb that would have made us pass the 2nd round

Now he ll have to make move this summer to make us contenders

Let's see what he does before over reacting

[I Rasharted]

Weltman built a nice team but injuries screwed us.

There were no move out there in feb that would have made us pass the 2nd round

Now he ll have to make move this summer to make us contenders

Let's see what he does before over reacting

Just getting the vibes out there. I know Weltman's going to last one more season.

[thelead]

Weltman built a nice team but injuries screwed us.

There were no move out there in feb that would have made us pass the 2nd round

Now he ll have to make move this summer to make us contenders

Let's see what he does before over reacting

We’re missing Suggs and Mo. while important, missing them should not result in losing 3 consecutive games at home to blatantly tanking teams. He, and Mosley, need to go. I’d fire Martins too but we know ownership won’t do that.

[fendilim]

Weltman built a nice team but injuries screwed us.

There were no move out there in feb that would have made us pass the 2nd round

Now he ll have to make move this summer to make us contenders

Let's see what he does before over reacting

We’re missing Suggs and Mo. while important, missing them should not result in losing 3 consecutive games at home to blatantly tanking teams. He, and Mosley, need to go. I’d fire Martins too but we know ownership won’t do that.

I get where you’re coming from, but honestly, I can’t blame them. The last 2 losses were really just… out of this world.

Jakobe walter hit an offbalance 3.

Wcj had a mental lapse moment.

Losing our 3rd and 4th best scorers to season ending injury. Then our top 1 and 2 had to miss a large chunk of the season too. Any team that is hit with this type of luck would struggle.

[thelead]

Weltman built a nice team but injuries screwed us.

There were no move out there in feb that would have made us pass the 2nd round

Now he ll have to make move this summer to make us contenders

Let's see what he does before over reacting

We’re missing Suggs and Mo. while important, missing them should not result in losing 3 consecutive games at home to blatantly tanking teams. He, and Mosley, need to go. I’d fire Martins too but we know ownership won’t do that.

I get where you’re coming from, but honestly, I can’t blame them. The last 2 losses were really just… out of this world.

Jakobe walter hit an offbalance 3.

Wcj had a mental lapse moment.

Losing our 3rd and 4th best scorers to season ending injury. Then our top 1 and 2 had to miss a large chunk of the season too. Any team that is hit with this type of luck would struggle.

I just can’t excuse Weltman not calling teams and Mosley for the same coaching mistakes over and over (not calling a timeout at the end of games to draw up a play). No excuses for that. We could be missing our entire starting lineup and there would be no excuse for those things.

[Idiosyncratic]

We’re missing Suggs and Mo. while important, missing them should not result in losing 3 consecutive games at home to blatantly tanking teams. He, and Mosley, need to go. I’d fire Martins too but we know ownership won’t do that.

I get where you’re coming from, but honestly, I can’t blame them. The last 2 losses were really just… out of this world.

Jakobe walter hit an offbalance 3.

Wcj had a mental lapse moment.

Losing our 3rd and 4th best scorers to season ending injury. Then our top 1 and 2 had to miss a large chunk of the season too. Any team that is hit with this type of luck would struggle.

I just can’t excuse Weltman not calling teams and Mosley for the same coaching mistakes over and over (not calling a timeout at the end of games to draw up a play). No excuses for that. We could be missing our entire starting lineup and there would be no excuse for those things.

I think you both are correct. A lot of times the truth is in the middle and I think this is one of those cases.

I think Mosley has been bad lately and I think everybody should be questioning his offensive prowess at this point. Coaches come and go in sports, even right after extensions. I personally would give him more time next year with a shaken up roster, but wouldn't bat an eye if he is fired.

Weltman had a bad summer and the Jett pick alone should make people seriously question him unless that was actually Michigan ownership mandated. I personally don't hold the deadline against him because I viewed buying for this team, this year as a waste. Understand those who are upset about it, just my view.

At the same time the injuries have been pretty debilitating. Every team has them, but they definitely have thrown off their rhythm this year regardless. And there has been some bad luck in the recent games, I personally don't think it should get to that point against terrible teams, but there have been some crazy shooting outbursts and shots made to beat them recently.

I would not have a problem or be surprised if they fired the coach and the GM, but I also see a more likely world where they are given one more year, but if they started next year bad both would be gone pretty quickly for me.

[OrlandoDream]

Weltman built a nice team but injuries screwed us.

There were no move out there in feb that would have made us pass the 2nd round

Now he ll have to make move this summer to make us contenders

Let's see what he does before over reacting

We’re missing Suggs and Mo. while important, missing them should not result in losing 3 consecutive games at home to blatantly tanking teams. He, and Mosley, need to go. I’d fire Martins too but we know ownership won’t do that.

I get where you’re coming from, but honestly, I can’t blame them. The last 2 losses were really just… out of this world.

Jakobe walter hit an offbalance 3.

Wcj had a mental lapse moment.

Losing our 3rd and 4th best scorers to season ending injury. Then our top 1 and 2 had to miss a large chunk of the season too. Any team that is hit with this type of luck would struggle.

I keep going back to this part. While it looks bad on paper that we lost 5 in a row and have been one of the worse teams in 2025, the margin of error is small. Its not like were getting blown out 20+ by teams (except cavs of course). These loses are less than 5 points when we are missing our 2 other leading scoring rotation players and suggs leading our defense. With our putrid offense of course we are going to lose but having those guys back and upgrading 1-2 scoring wing players and were prob close to 40 wins right now.

[Kent]

We’re missing Suggs and Mo. while important, missing them should not result in losing 3 consecutive games at home to blatantly tanking teams. He, and Mosley, need to go. I’d fire Martins too but we know ownership won’t do that.

I get where you’re coming from, but honestly, I can’t blame them. The last 2 losses were really just… out of this world.

Jakobe walter hit an offbalance 3.

Wcj had a mental lapse moment.

Losing our 3rd and 4th best scorers to season ending injury. Then our top 1 and 2 had to miss a large chunk of the season too. Any team that is hit with this type of luck would struggle.

I keep going back to this part. While it looks bad on paper that we lost 5 in a row and have been one of the worse teams in 2025, the margin of error is small. Its not like were getting blown out 20+ by teams (except cavs of course). These loses are less than 5 points when we are missing our 2 other leading scoring rotation players and suggs leading our defense. With our putrid offense of course we are going to lose but having those guys back and upgrading 1-2 scoring wing players and were prob close to 40 wins right now.

Let's assume you're right.

From my perspective, this roster's ceiling is not much higher than it was with Vooch, AG and Fournier.

Sure, we got as high as the 5th seed, but even with the growth we expected this season, we still weren't contending.

I acknowledge that contending is still 2-3 years out, even with the bulk of this roster.

My point is Weltman's philosophies can only take us so far. He's made some great moves. And a lot of mediocre moves. And let's not forget a bunch of "non-"moves.

Bottom line: P5 and Franz can only take us so far.

A new regime needs to take the best of the current roster and mold it around our stars, and not be laser-focused on building a team a certain way that isn't ultimately winning a championship.

[Skybox]

We’re missing Suggs and Mo. while important, missing them should not result in losing 3 consecutive games at home to blatantly tanking teams. He, and Mosley, need to go. I’d fire Martins too but we know ownership won’t do that.

I get where you’re coming from, but honestly, I can’t blame them. The last 2 losses were really just… out of this world.

Jakobe walter hit an offbalance 3.

Wcj had a mental lapse moment.

Losing our 3rd and 4th best scorers to season ending injury. Then our top 1 and 2 had to miss a large chunk of the season too. Any team that is hit with this type of luck would struggle.

I keep going back to this part. While it looks bad on paper that we lost 5 in a row and have been one of the worse teams in 2025, the margin of error is small. Its not like were getting blown out 20+ by teams (except cavs of course). These loses are less than 5 points when we are missing our 2 other leading scoring rotation players and suggs leading our defense. With our putrid offense of course we are going to lose but having those guys back and upgrading 1-2 scoring wing players and were prob close to 40 wins right now.

We lost close ones to teams that wanted to lose...check back after the next stretch (MIL, HOU, NOLA, MIN, CLE, HOU - mostly on the road)

[OrlandoDream]

I get where you’re coming from, but honestly, I can’t blame them. The last 2 losses were really just… out of this world.

Jakobe walter hit an offbalance 3.

Wcj had a mental lapse moment.

Losing our 3rd and 4th best scorers to season ending injury. Then our top 1 and 2 had to miss a large chunk of the season too. Any team that is hit with this type of luck would struggle.

I keep going back to this part. While it looks bad on paper that we lost 5 in a row and have been one of the worse teams in 2025, the margin of error is small. Its not like were getting blown out 20+ by teams (except cavs of course). These loses are less than 5 points when we are missing our 2 other leading scoring rotation players and suggs leading our defense. With our putrid offense of course we are going to lose but having those guys back and upgrading 1-2 scoring wing players and were prob close to 40 wins right now.

Let's assume you're right.

From my perspective, this roster's ceiling is not much higher than it was with Vooch, AG and Fournier.

Sure, we got as high as the 5th seed, but even with the growth we expected this season, we still weren't contending.

I acknowledge that contending is still 2-3 years out, even with the bulk of this roster.

My point is Weltman's philosophies can only take us so far. He's made some great moves. And a lot of mediocre moves. And let's not forget a bunch of "non-"moves.

Bottom line: P5 and Franz can only take us so far.

A new regime needs to take the best of the current roster and mold it around our stars, and not be laser-focused on building a team a certain way that isn't ultimately winning a championship.

OK I get that we are upset and disappointed but saying this teams ceiling with all three Suggs/Paolo/Franz is the same as Euro bros and AG? Cmon now.

Weve forgotten what we saw from this team once all those 3 guys are healthy. Just give me a PG, Mo dropping 13-15 off the bench and some other bench shooting and you will not recognize the team.

New coach is prob also gonna help.

[three3d]

Weltman is the easiest head to cut that will satisfy the masses. Anthony Parker is the GM for crying out loud so it’s not like we would even have to go hire a new GM. No interference my Martins or anyone else let Parker fix the Weltman mess. Outside Weltman every assistant coach needs to go, bring in new fresh assistant’s for Mosely and make sure some comes with offensive pedigree.

[Kent]

I keep going back to this part. While it looks bad on paper that we lost 5 in a row and have been one of the worse teams in 2025, the margin of error is small. Its not like were getting blown out 20+ by teams (except cavs of course). These loses are less than 5 points when we are missing our 2 other leading scoring rotation players and suggs leading our defense. With our putrid offense of course we are going to lose but having those guys back and upgrading 1-2 scoring wing players and were prob close to 40 wins right now.

Let's assume you're right.

From my perspective, this roster's ceiling is not much higher than it was with Vooch, AG and Fournier.

Sure, we got as high as the 5th seed, but even with the growth we expected this season, we still weren't contending.

I acknowledge that contending is still 2-3 years out, even with the bulk of this roster.

My point is Weltman's philosophies can only take us so far. He's made some great moves. And a lot of mediocre moves. And let's not forget a bunch of "non-"moves.

Bottom line: P5 and Franz can only take us so far.

A new regime needs to take the best of the current roster and mold it around our stars, and not be laser-focused on building a team a certain way that isn't ultimately winning a championship.

OK I get that we are upset and disappointed but saying this teams ceiling with all three Suggs/Paolo/Franz is the same as Euro bros and AG? Cmon now.

Weve forgotten what we saw from this team once all those 3 guys are healthy. Just give me a PG, Mo dropping 13-15 off the bench and some other bench shooting and you will not recognize the team.

New coach is prob also gonna help.

Haha to be fair, I said "not much higher." But that's still probably disrespectful.

I'm not saying Paolo, Franz, Suggs and Mo should be broken up — but we need a new FO to build around P5 and Franz in a way that can actually work.

Weltman's approach won't get us to the promised land.

[Skybox]

Weltman is the easiest head to cut that will satisfy the masses. Anthony Parker is the GM for crying out loud so it’s not like we would even have to go hire a new GM. No interference my Martins or anyone else let Parker fix the Weltman mess. Outside Weltman every assistant coach needs to go, bring in new fresh assistant’s for Mosely and make sure some comes with offensive pedigree.

IF you're taking out Weltman - the whole department goes with him. You need a new voice and a new energy...and you need a slightly nervous group of players...just the right mix of excitement and fear of exposure. It's rare that the coach survives that kind of housecleaning, but I wouldn't rule Mose out - he was really a hot prospect as an assistant and really has a rare degree of connection with players around the league...I'd really prefer to get him some support and a better FO. You can't just fire a coach's staff and replace them under him...but you could still fill one critical slot with a vet offensive guy in a "special consultant" type of position pretty gracefully without making Mose look weak.

[SloNick Russia]

For those gunning for Mose head just look at our southern neighbor with the best coach in the NBA in Spo on a 7 game loosing streak.
Our devision is just the worst in the entire NBA.

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[Cammo101]

Now that Suggs is out for the year, I worry this gives the front office a built in excuse to play wait and see for another season.