Cleveland/Minnesota Next Year

[toooskies]

Hen, I think it more just points out that he CAN get you 20, sometimes. Maybe he develops that consistency down the line and really steps it up a notch. But right now, he’s not getting valued for doing something sometimes. It’s gotta flip to the inverse where he scores 20 in ALL BUT 11 of his 64 kind of thing.

He’s progressing well. But it remains to be seen if this is just a hot streak and he’ll revert back to a new mean a bit, or if this is truly the new McDaniels. And it’ll take a lot more than the rest of this season. To prove that.

I think last year we saw a new level of Jaden in the playoffs. If he shows a higher gear offensively as well as defensively in the playoffs, that is the best measure of his upside. Regarding the rest of the season, Jaden’s contract is locked in. His internal and external value fluctuations will be determined by floor, average, and ceiling. Jaden has raised his floor since the first of January, if he plays that way through 18 more games, then his floor will have been considered raised by the league. As for 20 points vs high teens, the differences are two fold. One is efficiency, and Jaden’s true shooting is over 60% for the season. The other is volume. Jaden needs to shoot more than 10 shots a game every game. If that does not happen it is a failure of coaching. If Jaden maintains his efficiency while shooting high volume that will prove a lot toward all 3 catagories.

To be fair, we have been having the same take on Evan Mobley as Cavs fans until this year. The difference is time of service, maybe it’s just taking McD longer? Not saying they are the same type of player just maybe a similar circumstance. Still not a fan of this deal from either side.

To be fair, Mobley’s made actual progress each year while McD had been regressing each year— and continued to through January or so.

McD is a better parallel to Okoro—defensive expert who has theoretical offensive potential. But he may have graduated from that status.

[TheZachAttack]

The 20ppg caught me off guard - I had to look it up.

I think the posters are just saying that since the Wolves have changed McDaniels offensive role and he's started attacking the basket off the catch and playing as the roller he's averaging about 18 points on 60% true shooting percentage over that 20-25 games. McDaniels, with his length, has a really good mid range shot (>50%), floater range shot (50-60%), and has great touch around the rim. He's also a great short roll player both as a scorer and a passer. With his length, every shot he takes in those ranges is always open even when the defender is close. Even when Randle and Dante have come back he's still averaging 15-20 points per game.

I get he's had some 20+ points games since January, but looking at his splits in 2025, the whole 20/10 player just threw me off.
Jan: 12.2/6.4, 16 games
Feb: 18.5/8.4, 13 games
Mar: 18.0/6.5, 4 games
Good that he's improving from the start of the season

I'm not sure who said 20-10-- agree more like 18-8 on 60% TS with 1st team defense caliber play. I'm just saying that's pretty valuable, as of now I'd say that would cost a lot to give up.

[Mr Loggins]

if we’re calling McDaniels a 20ppg guy, can we round up Garland into a 30ppg guy?

The 20ppg caught me off guard - I had to look it up.

I think the posters are just saying that since the Wolves have changed McDaniels offensive role and he's started attacking the basket off the catch and playing as the roller he's averaging about 18 points on 60% true shooting percentage over that 20-25 games. McDaniels, with his length, has a really good mid range shot (>50%), floater range shot (50-60%), and has great touch around the rim. He's also a great short roll player both as a scorer and a passer. With his length, every shot he takes in those ranges is always open even when the defender is close. Even when Randle and Dante have come back he's still averaging 15-20 points per game.

I’m just having dun at the fact that he’s become a 7 foot, 20-10, all nba defender with 3 point range.

I mean- that’s Wemby pretty much

[TheZachAttack]

The 20ppg caught me off guard - I had to look it up.

I think the posters are just saying that since the Wolves have changed McDaniels offensive role and he's started attacking the basket off the catch and playing as the roller he's averaging about 18 points on 60% true shooting percentage over that 20-25 games. McDaniels, with his length, has a really good mid range shot (>50%), floater range shot (50-60%), and has great touch around the rim. He's also a great short roll player both as a scorer and a passer. With his length, every shot he takes in those ranges is always open even when the defender is close. Even when Randle and Dante have come back he's still averaging 15-20 points per game.

I’m just having dun at the fact that he’s become a 7 foot, 20-10, all nba defender with 3 point range.

I mean- that’s Wemby pretty much

He is legit 6'10+, he's a streaky 3 point shooter, has already been an all-nba defender (that's pretty commonly accepted?), and has now been averaging 18-8 for 2 months.

[mcfly1204]

I think the posters are just saying that since the Wolves have changed McDaniels offensive role and he's started attacking the basket off the catch and playing as the roller he's averaging about 18 points on 60% true shooting percentage over that 20-25 games. McDaniels, with his length, has a really good mid range shot (>50%), floater range shot (50-60%), and has great touch around the rim. He's also a great short roll player both as a scorer and a passer. With his length, every shot he takes in those ranges is always open even when the defender is close. Even when Randle and Dante have come back he's still averaging 15-20 points per game.

I’m just having dun at the fact that he’s become a 7 foot, 20-10, all nba defender with 3 point range.

I mean- that’s Wemby pretty much

He is legit 6'10+, he's a streaky 3 point shooter, has already been an all-nba defender (that's pretty commonly accepted?), and has now been averaging 18-8 for 2 months.

If you want to be specific, which clearly you do, a "streaky 3 point shooter" = a below average 3 point shooter, and 2 months of 18/8 is really one month of 18/8 and one month of 18/6.

[Mr Loggins]

I think the posters are just saying that since the Wolves have changed McDaniels offensive role and he's started attacking the basket off the catch and playing as the roller he's averaging about 18 points on 60% true shooting percentage over that 20-25 games. McDaniels, with his length, has a really good mid range shot (>50%), floater range shot (50-60%), and has great touch around the rim. He's also a great short roll player both as a scorer and a passer. With his length, every shot he takes in those ranges is always open even when the defender is close. Even when Randle and Dante have come back he's still averaging 15-20 points per game.

I’m just having dun at the fact that he’s become a 7 foot, 20-10, all nba defender with 3 point range.

I mean- that’s Wemby pretty much

He is legit 6'10+, he's a streaky 3 point shooter, has already been an all-nba defender (that's pretty commonly accepted?), and has now been averaging 18-8 for 2 months.

ok, so he’s one out of 4 on things being claimed about him

By the generous stats counting being done here, Garland is a 25/10, 50/40/90 guy.

[winforlose]

McDaniels is playing too well to move. He is developing into a 20/10 SF who also happens to be all NBA defense caliber. Oh, and his contract is sub 30 for the next 2 years. By the offseason if he stays healthy and maintains his transformation, you will realize how easy a no this is for Minnesota.

Rather than respond to everyone who is misquoting or twist what was originally said, I just quoted it. Emphasis on the words “developing”, “if he maintains his transformation,” and “if he stays healthy.” I am not saying Jaden is presently a 20/10 or that he has proven anything yet. I am saying he is 24 and his prime starts at 26 or 27. Give him time and the improvements should be sustainable because he is not relying on low percentage or high variance skill sets. His biggest issue at this point is shot volume. He needs to take more shots and less 3s. The last game he was 6 of 12, but 5 of 8 from inside the arc. Jaden is not a 3 point shooter and should not be mistaken for one.

[TheZachAttack]

I’m just having dun at the fact that he’s become a 7 foot, 20-10, all nba defender with 3 point range.

I mean- that’s Wemby pretty much

He is legit 6'10+, he's a streaky 3 point shooter, has already been an all-nba defender (that's pretty commonly accepted?), and has now been averaging 18-8 for 2 months.

If you want to be specific, which clearly you do, a "streaky 3 point shooter" = a below average 3 point shooter, and 2 months of 18/8 is really one month of 18/8 and one month of 18/6.

In his last 23 games he's averaging 17.7-7.6. And Nah, what I'm just trying to say is that he is a valuable player and breaking out. I don't want to include him in the deal as constructed in this post. Describe it however you want. Disagree if you want.

[mcfly1204]

He is legit 6'10+, he's a streaky 3 point shooter, has already been an all-nba defender (that's pretty commonly accepted?), and has now been averaging 18-8 for 2 months.

If you want to be specific, which clearly you do, a "streaky 3 point shooter" = a below average 3 point shooter, and 2 months of 18/8 is really one month of 18/8 and one month of 18/6.

In his last 23 games he's averaging 17.7-7.6. And Nah, what I'm just trying to say is that he is a valuable player and breaking out. I don't want to include him in the deal as constructed in this post. Describe it however you want. Disagree if you want.

Which is fair. Maybe he breaks out, maybe he doesn't. The point is that Garland, who is only 8 months older than McDaniels, already has broken out.

[TheZachAttack]

If you want to be specific, which clearly you do, a "streaky 3 point shooter" = a below average 3 point shooter, and 2 months of 18/8 is really one month of 18/8 and one month of 18/6.

In his last 23 games he's averaging 17.7-7.6. And Nah, what I'm just trying to say is that he is a valuable player and breaking out. I don't want to include him in the deal as constructed in this post. Describe it however you want. Disagree if you want.

Which is fair. Maybe he breaks out, maybe he doesn't. The point is that Garland, who is only 8 months older than McDaniels, already has broken out.

Sure and I love Garland, he's great and keeps getting better. I think it's just too rich for the Wolves. I think Jaden has shown offensive growth as I've mentioned. If he continues to play this role for the Wolves, his contract will be a steal. I think Naz Reid is also a perfect fit in most NBA offenses as a big with his scoring versatility and ability to shoot 40+% from 3 on high volume. Naz is also ~20 points per 36 minute type player on strong efficiency. Shannon, when he's gotten the opportunity, has consistently proven that he's ready for a bigger role than the Wolves can give him. In recent games where he's had a bigger role, he was basically averaging 15-6-3 in like 28 min.

I think all 3 players are a big part of the Wolves future. I would potentially do something like Naz/Dillingham for Garland -- maybe add some draft picks/prospects.

[winforlose]

If you want to be specific, which clearly you do, a "streaky 3 point shooter" = a below average 3 point shooter, and 2 months of 18/8 is really one month of 18/8 and one month of 18/6.

In his last 23 games he's averaging 17.7-7.6. And Nah, what I'm just trying to say is that he is a valuable player and breaking out. I don't want to include him in the deal as constructed in this post. Describe it however you want. Disagree if you want.

Which is fair. Maybe he breaks out, maybe he doesn't. The point is that Garland, who is only 8 months older than McDaniels, already has broken out.

Garland is undersized at 6’1 while Jaden is oversized at between 6’10 and 7’0. Garland makes 10 million more than Jaden each year. Garland is not known for being a plus defender, Jaden has made all NBA second team, and likely should be all NBA for a second consecutive year. Jaden has four more years of team control, Garland has 3. Even if Jaden ends up a 15/5 SF I wouldn’t move him for Garland because the money is really tough for the Wolves. I especially wouldn’t give up two starters and compromise the depth for Garland at that price point.

[DrModesty]

I wouldn't do this if I were Cleveland. I appreciate that both McDaniels and Reid are very good players and on value this is possibly a fair trade. But superior level playmaking is an incredible boon, and we have seen the stark limitations of a Mitchell focused offense in the playoffs.

[Mr Loggins]

I wouldn't do this if I were Cleveland. I appreciate that both McDaniels and Reid are very good players and on value this is possibly a fair trade. But superior level playmaking is an incredible boon, and we have seen the stark limitations of a Mitchell focused offense in the playoffs.

Right. Combine that with elite shooting, and you don’t trade that for role players, albeit very good ones.

The other wrinkle is that it would not surprise me if Reid’s upcoming contract is close to what Garland makes

[TheZachAttack]

I wouldn't do this if I were Cleveland. I appreciate that both McDaniels and Reid are very good players and on value this is possibly a fair trade. But superior level playmaking is an incredible boon, and we have seen the stark limitations of a Mitchell focused offense in the playoffs.

Right. Combine that with elite shooting, and you don’t trade that for role players, albeit very good ones.

The other wrinkle is that it would not surprise me if Reid’s upcoming contract is close to what Garland makes

IMO Naz is not worth anywhere close. He's a much better finisher once an advantage gets created versus creating one himself (although he's shown more ability to do that this season) and he's too inconsistent when he's the focus of a defense.

I think a contract similar to Jaden's is more of what he deserves.If the market was 40m per year I would probably let him go to be honest.

[Mr Loggins]

I wouldn't do this if I were Cleveland. I appreciate that both McDaniels and Reid are very good players and on value this is possibly a fair trade. But superior level playmaking is an incredible boon, and we have seen the stark limitations of a Mitchell focused offense in the playoffs.

Right. Combine that with elite shooting, and you don’t trade that for role players, albeit very good ones.

The other wrinkle is that it would not surprise me if Reid’s upcoming contract is close to what Garland makes

IMO Naz is not worth anywhere close. He's a much better finisher once an advantage gets created versus creating one himself (although he's shown more ability to do that this season) and he's too inconsistent when he's the focus of a defense.

I think a contract similar to Jaden's is more of what he deserves.If the market was 40m per year I would probably let him go to be honest.

I think the problem is that he will hit the market with the cap being much higher than when Garland signed his extension, with also not a lot of good free agents on the market. I think hems going to get a 30plus per year offer

[JonFromVA]

I wonder if Edwards would be happy playing with a PG who needs the ball in his hands as much as Garland does?

The idea of transitioning DiVincenzo to point suggests they'd prefer a point that won't need the ball or take 20+ shots.

Not everyone with aspirations of being seen as the next big thing can suppress their ego like Donovan Mitchell has done.

Not that Garland is going anywhere - you don't break up a ~70-win team with a historically good offense on a hunch. If for some weird (Klutch) reason Garland asked out, it's doubtful it would be to join Edwards.

[jscott]

Right. Combine that with elite shooting, and you don’t trade that for role players, albeit very good ones.

The other wrinkle is that it would not surprise me if Reid’s upcoming contract is close to what Garland makes

IMO Naz is not worth anywhere close. He's a much better finisher once an advantage gets created versus creating one himself (although he's shown more ability to do that this season) and he's too inconsistent when he's the focus of a defense.

I think a contract similar to Jaden's is more of what he deserves.If the market was 40m per year I would probably let him go to be honest.

I think the problem is that he will hit the market with the cap being much higher than when Garland signed his extension, with also not a lot of good free agents on the market. I think hems going to get a 30plus per year offer

No one has money. Who’s gonna offer that? The Nets or… the Nets?