#63: Heat vs Bulls - Mar 8th at 8 pm ET

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Satans greatest soldiers, Spo and Terrorist Terry

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[MettaWorldPanda]

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This is why this team can’t afford to trade a bunch of assets in offseason for one player. This team needs a talent influx via the draft and an overhaul with roster construction. Ware, Bam, and Jovic is a great foundation in the front court. That core is missing another burly 6’10 player that can somewhat stretch the floor. We should be drafting a big physical two guard who can handle to start pressing Tyler but can also play in the backcourt with him. Try to limit the one dimensional players like Highsmith and Duncan and continue to add multifaceted players. Even Mitchell is limited and we could stand for more scoring coming from the PG spot.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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5. Terry Rozier is Spos favorite player.

Rinse and repeat

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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This is why this team can’t afford to trade a bunch of assets in offseason for one player. This team needs a talent influx via the draft and an overhaul with roster construction. Ware, Bam, and Jovic is a great foundation in the front court. That core is missing another burly 6’10 player that can somewhat stretch the floor. We should be drafting a big physical two guard who can handle to start pressing Tyler but can also play in the backcourt with him. Try to limit the one dimensional player like Highsmith and Duncan and continue to add multifaceted players. Even Mitchell is limited and we could stand for more scoring coming from the PG spot.

We’ll see what they come up with, I have no faith in this FO any more.

[marson]

Heat should have targetted Wiggins more in the 4th.
He didnt miss a shot in the 4th.

Herro has to not take so many bad shots, he is talented but he gas to play for the win

Herro jacking that dumbass 3 and Giddey blocking it leading to a 3 for Chicago was the momentum shifter down the stretch. He has been horrible in the clutch all season

We have no creativity for offense down the stretch. We have no true two way PG to generate easy offense. You just saw what a real floor general looks like in Giddey. He took the damn game over

We don't necessarily need a point guard in crunch time. The issue is that we lack a player who can break down any defense at will and get to the line for easy buckets. Neither Bam nor Herro has that ability.

Every top 5 team has that and still the recipe of success in this league.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Nightmare fuel closing lineup

PF Wiggins 6’7
SF Herro 6’5
SG Rozier 6’1
PG Mitchell 6’0

[Daffy]

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The puzzling part about this is we're not a bad defensive team so how does this keep happening.

[marson]

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The puzzling part about this is we're not a bad defensive team so how does this keep happening.

There’s no true closer. Jimmy would’ve been ideal in a different situation—someone you could just give the ball to, break down any defense, and get to the line.

KD would also be perfect, but his age outweighs my concern.

[Daffy]

People saying we're too bad to trade assets for a guy like KD or Young. I just want to say a guy like young helps with these blown leads by helping the offense flow. Even if he isn't hitting you have to look out for those easy Bam and Ware lobs he'd throw, or passes to guys cutting etc. Hitting 3pt shooters in their spots. So yes I'm still for trading for Young. I just hate how inefficient he is offensively at times in his own.

[Flash4thewin]

Herro jacking that dumbass 3 and Giddey blocking it leading to a 3 for Chicago was the momentum shifter down the stretch. He has been horrible in the clutch all season

We have no creativity for offense down the stretch. We have no true two way PG to generate easy offense. You just saw what a real floor general looks like in Giddey. He took the damn game over

We don't necessarily need a point guard in crunch time. The issue is that we lack a player who can break down any defense at will and get to the line for easy buckets. Neither Bam nor Herro has that ability.

Every top 5 team has that and still the recipe of success in this league.

Yeah thats an elite player, clearly we dont have that type of player. We dont have the assets to get that type of player either since it would become a bidding war and we just dont have that ammo. So do we continue as is or do a rebuild. We need to remember Pat will not tolerate a rebuild at this stage with his age and legacy at play. Does Mickey ok a rebuilding period with no playoff money? These are all hard questions unfortunately.

I dont understand how the Hawks are ahead of us now, them making the playoffs will just have them double down on keeping Trae. Ideally if we want Trae we need them to be in the lottery and get a top 3 pick, that way they can get a Trae replacement and then be open to trading him for our lottery pick and Ware. Orlando is another team that should have eyes on Trae. Just such a self inflicted season. Someone in the front office needs to fall on the sword.

[marson]

We have no creativity for offense down the stretch. We have no true two way PG to generate easy offense. You just saw what a real floor general looks like in Giddey. He took the damn game over

We don't necessarily need a point guard in crunch time. The issue is that we lack a player who can break down any defense at will and get to the line for easy buckets. Neither Bam nor Herro has that ability.

Every top 5 team has that and still the recipe of success in this league.

Yeah thats an elite player, clearly we dont have that type of player. We dont have the assets to get that type of player either since it would become a bidding war and we just dont have that ammo. So do we continue as is or do a rebuild. We need to remember Pat will not tolerate a rebuild at this stage with his age and legacy at play. Does Mickey ok a rebuilding period with no playoff money? These are all hard questions unfortunately.

I dont understand how the Hawks are ahead of us now, them making the playoffs will just have them double down on keeping Trae. Ideally if we want Trae we need them to be in the lottery and get a top 3 pick, that way they can get a Trae replacement and then be open to trading him for our lottery pick and Ware. Orlando is another team that should have eyes on Trae. Just such a self inflicted season. Someone in the front office needs to fall on the sword.

That’s why I’m all for rebuilding and accumulating assets, like considering a player like Bam, who would likely give us the best return. His prime years are being wasted here, and he deserves to play for a contender.

If we’re going to rebuild through the draft and try to find a talent like Wade, I’m all in. A team with Herro and Bam would be a mid-tier team at best. I’ll still watch, but I’m not expecting a championship from them.

[oreon]

We have no creativity for offense down the stretch. We have no true two way PG to generate easy offense. You just saw what a real floor general looks like in Giddey. He took the damn game over

We don't necessarily need a point guard in crunch time. The issue is that we lack a player who can break down any defense at will and get to the line for easy buckets. Neither Bam nor Herro has that ability.

Every top 5 team has that and still the recipe of success in this league.

Yeah thats an elite player, clearly we dont have that type of player. We dont have the assets to get that type of player either since it would become a bidding war and we just dont have that ammo. So do we continue as is or do a rebuild. We need to remember Pat will not tolerate a rebuild at this stage with his age and legacy at play. Does Mickey ok a rebuilding period with no playoff money? These are all hard questions unfortunately.

I dont understand how the Hawks are ahead of us now, them making the playoffs will just have them double down on keeping Trae. Ideally if we want Trae we need them to be in the lottery and get a top 3 pick, that way they can get a Trae replacement and then be open to trading him for our lottery pick and Ware. Orlando is another team that should have eyes on Trae. Just such a self inflicted season. Someone in the front office needs to fall on the sword.

It's Pat obviously. But not for this season. This HAPPENS to all teams. Eventually you will need to rebuild. It should be for not blowing this in the summer. Philly was there with cap space, they wanted Butler. We could have gotten 2 or 3 1st round picks. And those Philly picks are looking juicy right now with the Embiid situation. Smart FO get ahead of rebuild. OKC did with PG13, Boston when they traded their big 3. But Pat is too freakin stubborn to take step back.
It's worse than the 30-11 season that they refused to tank and went ahead to pay role players.

[oreon]

People saying we're too bad to trade assets for a guy like KD or Young. I just want to say a guy like young helps with these blown leads by helping the offense flow. Even if he isn't hitting you have to look out for those easy Bam and Ware lobs he'd throw, or passes to guys cutting etc. Hitting 3pt shooters in their spots. So yes I'm still for trading for Young. I just hate how inefficient he is offensively at times in his own.

If you get Trae, you are going to have to pay him. So the question is can Bam + Trae making a combined 100 mill going forward compete with Celtics or Cavs for the next 5 years.

The answer is pretty easy, NO. And I doubt anyone would disagree. So you don't make that trade

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Herro jacking that dumbass 3 and Giddey blocking it leading to a 3 for Chicago was the momentum shifter down the stretch. He has been horrible in the clutch all season

We have no creativity for offense down the stretch. We have no true two way PG to generate easy offense. You just saw what a real floor general looks like in Giddey. He took the damn game over

We don't necessarily need a point guard in crunch time. The issue is that we lack a player who can break down any defense at will and get to the line for easy buckets. Neither Bam nor Herro has that ability.

Every top 5 team has that and still the recipe of success in this league.

Sell high on Herro and see what kind of names are attainable. We have the assets to get a couple meaningful deals done. If it doesn’t work out then move Bam plus others after for a haul

[marson]

We have no creativity for offense down the stretch. We have no true two way PG to generate easy offense. You just saw what a real floor general looks like in Giddey. He took the damn game over

We don't necessarily need a point guard in crunch time. The issue is that we lack a player who can break down any defense at will and get to the line for easy buckets. Neither Bam nor Herro has that ability.

Every top 5 team has that and still the recipe of success in this league.

Sell high on Herro and see what kind of names are attainable. We have the assets to get a couple meaningful deals done. If it doesn’t work out then move Bam plus others after for a haul

Herro alone isn’t enough to land that caliber of player. The right move is to sell high on Bam, as he’d bring the best return, and then tank for the next three years with Herro leading the charge as the tank commander. By the end of the rebuild, we’d trade him too.

The goal is to find the next Wade—the true franchise cornerstone and generational talent.

OKC gave out the blueprint, and they are set for the next decade. 3 years of tanking should be enough with a competent GM.

[MettaWorldPanda]

We don't necessarily need a point guard in crunch time. The issue is that we lack a player who can break down any defense at will and get to the line for easy buckets. Neither Bam nor Herro has that ability.

Every top 5 team has that and still the recipe of success in this league.

Yeah thats an elite player, clearly we dont have that type of player. We dont have the assets to get that type of player either since it would become a bidding war and we just dont have that ammo. So do we continue as is or do a rebuild. We need to remember Pat will not tolerate a rebuild at this stage with his age and legacy at play. Does Mickey ok a rebuilding period with no playoff money? These are all hard questions unfortunately.

I dont understand how the Hawks are ahead of us now, them making the playoffs will just have them double down on keeping Trae. Ideally if we want Trae we need them to be in the lottery and get a top 3 pick, that way they can get a Trae replacement and then be open to trading him for our lottery pick and Ware. Orlando is another team that should have eyes on Trae. Just such a self inflicted season. Someone in the front office needs to fall on the sword.

It's Pat obviously. But not for this season. This HAPPENS to all teams. Eventually you will need to rebuild. It should be for not blowing this in the summer. Philly was there with cap space, they wanted Butler. We could have gotten 2 or 3 1st round picks. And those Philly picks are looking juicy right now with the Embiid situation. Smart FO get ahead of rebuild. OKC did with PG13, Boston when they traded their big 3. But Pat is too freakin stubborn to take step back.
It's worse than the 30-11 season that they refused to tank and went ahead to pay role players.

Can’t even tank next year cause you risk giving up a high end lottery pick to OKC if we slip up next year. You trade Bam you guarantee a lottery pick to OKC plain and simple. We’ll continue with Bam and Herro for atleast until 2026.

[MettaWorldPanda]

People saying we're too bad to trade assets for a guy like KD or Young. I just want to say a guy like young helps with these blown leads by helping the offense flow. Even if he isn't hitting you have to look out for those easy Bam and Ware lobs he'd throw, or passes to guys cutting etc. Hitting 3pt shooters in their spots. So yes I'm still for trading for Young. I just hate how inefficient he is offensively at times in his own.

If you get Trae, you are going to have to pay him. So the question is can Bam + Trae making a combined 100 mill going forward compete with Celtics or Cavs for the next 5 years.

The answer is pretty easy, NO. And I doubt anyone would disagree. So you don't make that trade

Yup this is the true realization. Better off continuing to draft cheap talent and maybe make a few moves that don’t cost us an arm and leg that adds more talent.

[powerball1373]

Sure, and Bam is paid to get more than 6 rebounds, no? And I'm not saying Herro had a great, or good game, by any means. Just that your constant scapegoating is tiresome.

You just gotta ignore when he starts the Bam praising and Herro bashing. It's played out. I don't think anyone else really entertains that anymore. He's been waiting for Herro to struggle this season. He's happy when he struggles. On the other hand there is ALWAYS an excuse for Bam.

His other takes are good though. Just ignore those 2 topics when he starts and you'll be fine.

I didn’t even mention Bam until he did though is the thing

But it’s funny, I get labeled as a Bam stan but when Herro gets bashed there’s a swarm who does the same thing I do.

I wasn’t even talking player X vs Y, I was just giving insight on who Tyler is and always has been as a player. I do not enjoy players on my team playing bad, at all. And I actually love watching Herro when he catches fire (if it leads to a win)

You didn’t mention Bam until I did? Come on, man. That’s like saying “I wasn’t talking about my favorite player—I was just shifting the blame off him.”

And let’s not act like you aren’t front and center with a “just giving insight” post every time Herro has a bad game, but when Bam struggles? Suddenly, it’s “the team isn’t using him right” or “he’s doing things that don’t show up in the box score.”

Also, you “love” watching Herro when he catches fire... if it leads to a win? Bruh, so all he has to do is put up Steph Curry numbers in a win? That's all? Just say you don’t mess with him. We all see it. And honestly, if you just owned it instead of running this “objective analyst” act, people might actually respect it. But this passive-aggressive ish? Corny.

And just to be clear—I’m not even against Bam, not even a little bit. I don’t want to turn this into some Herro vs. Bam thing because I’m a fan of both. But the only reason I (and others) push back on Bam’s deficiencies in response to some of your posts is to show how it sounds when the criticism is that one-sided. If you applied the same energy both ways, this wouldn’t even be a conversation.

[marson]

People saying we're too bad to trade assets for a guy like KD or Young. I just want to say a guy like young helps with these blown leads by helping the offense flow. Even if he isn't hitting you have to look out for those easy Bam and Ware lobs he'd throw, or passes to guys cutting etc. Hitting 3pt shooters in their spots. So yes I'm still for trading for Young. I just hate how inefficient he is offensively at times in his own.

If you get Trae, you are going to have to pay him. So the question is can Bam + Trae making a combined 100 mill going forward compete with Celtics or Cavs for the next 5 years.

The answer is pretty easy, NO. And I doubt anyone would disagree. So you don't make that trade

Yup this is the true realization. Better off continuing to draft cheap talent and maybe make a few moves that don’t cost us an arm and leg that adds more talent.

Panda, do you think the extra year should've been given to Butler?

I’m not sure, but I trust Jimmy to lead both Herro and Bam if everyone is motivated and fully locked in.

Or has the bridge already been burned since he didn’t even want the extension here?