NO Utah

[lordjeff05]

Ok so I geniuinely have no clue where people place the value here and would love some perspective. Assuming Pels get a top 6 pick.

Utah gives Lauri for Dejounte Murray, Kelly Olynyk and the 2025 first.

Reasoning here for is Utah gets a top 5 pick more in line with the timeline of their other guys. It’s another chance to try and get a superstar.

For the Pels, they pair Zion with a true stretch big, Trey herb and CJ. This moves also preserves some cap and pick flexibility because CJ is an expiring. They could still trade CJ for a better fit, a big guard who defends and shoots.

The Pels have other picks it can throw in here but interested to know how much more is needed to make this work. Offensively Lauri and Zion are a fantastic fit and although there isn’t a true point guard in the starters you have 3 elite shooters next to one of the most effective players getting to the rim in the league.

They’d have Alvarado, Hawkins, and Yves Missi on the bench with another 12 million to play with before hitting the luxury tax.

[Skybox]

I would think that it's at least another frp short. Even if you plug in Ace Bailey (consensus #3)-it doesn't look that good to me for UTA for #3 or any beyond that. I also presume that UTA would prefer an expiring CJ over DJM's longer deal...so Ainge can get to work right away.

More and more, I think UTA should just keep Lauri and Kessler and use everything else to build around that combo.Building through the draft takes time and mistakes and course corrections. I'd lock in those two spots because all of the rest of UTA's stuff is pretty marginal, imo. Of course, they have a stockpile of picks but how long before the fans get to see something happen?

[mcfly1204]

Is New Orleans playing Lauri at the 3, or do they have no interest in rim protection?

[babyjax13]

I'd want another first to offset Murray's contract, but I don't mind getting a nice lottery pick, another future pick, and rolling the dice on Murray returning in the future and maybe having some value in a subsequent deal in a year or two.

[lordjeff05]

I’ll respond collectively to the posts I’ve seen so far. I’d be fine throwing in the Indy 2026 pick to even out the Dejounte years. Frankly I think it’s probably worth it/ and preferable to sending CJ out in the deal.

As for rim protection, that’s the rub. You’re betting that length on the wing mitigates some of the rim protection issues. You’re playing 6’6, 6’7 and 6’9 on the perimeter so you’re betting the size and Lauri’s ability to switch makes up for not having any shot blockers out there. Defensively I feel more comfortable about it than I would having a heavier big that struggles in space. I think we would be switching a lot of pick and rolls with Herb at the point of attack and Lauri at the 5.

We’d also be playing some super sized lineups with Missi at the 5 and Zion/Lauri at the 3/4.

Longer term we’d need a replacement for CJ to really excel at such a switch heavy scheme and you’re in trouble if you have to play Denver but offensively that team is tough to beat. Zion attacking the rim off a Lauri pick and rolls with CJ and Trey spreading the floor is TOUGH

[giberish]

I have Murray as a pretty significant negative at this point, but it really comes down to the pick value. I don't follow NCAA at all anymore so I don't know how high the pick would have to be to make the deal work. At #1 it's an overpay but by #6 it might not be enough.

[Astaluego]

I know Jazz fans don't agree with me and they're probably right...but I would do this...especially since Lauri's prime years are being wasted, not even competing and they need another shot at the top of the draft next year...after clearing their draft debt with the THUNDER and hopefully a top 4 pick this year and next year, I'd be concerned about surrounding them with good veterans.. I understand they want to keep Kessler who is young, can be part of the Future core and is homegrown, but in my opinion they should trade Lauri/Sexton and try to get their 1 sword at least... as for OP...I don't understand why NOP, if what you want is a true Pivot...why trade for a forward? I think they are (very) well covered in the Wings with Herb/Murphy/Zion..I'd be concerned about consolidating Murray/CJ/FRP 25 into a starting guard and center...
Herb Jones for Lively/C.Martin

add some value if necessary and select Edgecombe

[babyjax13]

I know Jazz fans don't agree with me and they're probably right...but I would do this...especially since Lauri's prime years are being wasted, not even competing and they need another shot at the top of the draft next year...after clearing their draft debt with the THUNDER and hopefully a top 4 pick this year and next year, I'd be concerned about surrounding them with good veterans.. I understand they want to keep Kessler who is young, can be part of the Future core and is homegrown, but in my opinion they should trade Lauri/Sexton and try to get their 1 sword at least... as for OP...I don't understand why NOP, if what you want is a true Pivot...why trade for a forward? I think they are (very) well covered in the Wings with Herb/Murphy/Zion..I'd be concerned about consolidating Murray/CJ/FRP 25 into a starting guard and center...
Herb Jones for Lively/C.Martin

add some value if necessary and select Edgecombe

That's kind of where im at. I'd love to walk away with one of Flagg/Harper + Tre Johnson. That's the start of a real core, and we have some young players who might make good roleplayers in the future.

[Astaluego]

I know Jazz fans don't agree with me and they're probably right...but I would do this...especially since Lauri's prime years are being wasted, not even competing and they need another shot at the top of the draft next year...after clearing their draft debt with the THUNDER and hopefully a top 4 pick this year and next year, I'd be concerned about surrounding them with good veterans.. I understand they want to keep Kessler who is young, can be part of the Future core and is homegrown, but in my opinion they should trade Lauri/Sexton and try to get their 1 sword at least... as for OP...I don't understand why NOP, if what you want is a true Pivot...why trade for a forward? I think they are (very) well covered in the Wings with Herb/Murphy/Zion..I'd be concerned about consolidating Murray/CJ/FRP 25 into a starting guard and center...
Herb Jones for Lively/C.Martin

add some value if necessary and select Edgecombe

That's kind of where im at. I'd love to walk away with one of Flagg/Harper + Tre Johnson. That's the start of a real core, and we have some young players who might make good roleplayers in the future.

I understand the fans' impatience, but I think Angie is extremely ambitious and will not settle for just building a good team, he will go for glory... and in my opinion the most logical path is to keep his picks, since they are the best real assets they have... almost mathematically the Jazz have to get lucky in the lottery... If you have the opportunity to choose one of Bailey/Flagg or Harper/Edgecombe/Johnson and next year (with few teams sinking in principle) one of Dybantsa/Boozer or Darryl Peterson/Arenas (for example) you take it... That's why I don't think it makes sense to keep Lauri, especially if the goal is to draft high... ..Kessler/Filipowski/Collier/Cody etc.. I think they project as elite role players, and these next 2 draft picks have the stars they need to make them contenders for a decade

I would also trade Lauri for Pistons for Holland/Harris/Fontecchio+ FRP

[babyjax13]

I know Jazz fans don't agree with me and they're probably right...but I would do this...especially since Lauri's prime years are being wasted, not even competing and they need another shot at the top of the draft next year...after clearing their draft debt with the THUNDER and hopefully a top 4 pick this year and next year, I'd be concerned about surrounding them with good veterans.. I understand they want to keep Kessler who is young, can be part of the Future core and is homegrown, but in my opinion they should trade Lauri/Sexton and try to get their 1 sword at least... as for OP...I don't understand why NOP, if what you want is a true Pivot...why trade for a forward? I think they are (very) well covered in the Wings with Herb/Murphy/Zion..I'd be concerned about consolidating Murray/CJ/FRP 25 into a starting guard and center...
Herb Jones for Lively/C.Martin

add some value if necessary and select Edgecombe

That's kind of where im at. I'd love to walk away with one of Flagg/Harper + Tre Johnson. That's the start of a real core, and we have some young players who might make good roleplayers in the future.

I understand the fans' impatience, but I think Angie is extremely ambitious and will not settle for just building a good team, he will go for glory... and in my opinion the most logical path is to keep his picks, since they are the best real assets they have... almost mathematically the Jazz have to get lucky in the lottery... If you have the opportunity to choose one of Bailey/Flagg or Harper/Edgecombe/Johnson and next year (with few teams sinking in principle) one of Dybantsa/Boozer or Darryl Peterson/Arenas (for example) you take it... That's why I don't think it makes sense to keep Lauri, especially if the goal is to draft high... ..Kessler/Filipowski/Collier/Cody etc.. I think they project as elite role players, and these next 2 draft picks have the stars they need to make them contenders for a decade

I would also trade Lauri for Pistons for Holland/Harris/Fontecchio+ FRP

Philosophically I agree, but no way would I trade Lauri for the 5th pick in last years draft who can't shoot and never has been able to, and doesn't really have the kinds of outlier skills he needs to offset that. Maybe he develops a short, I don't want to trade an all star caliber 7 footer who shoots like Lauri for that outside chance.

[Mrakar]

It depends where the pick lands, if its top 4, Pelicans should keep it.
Lauri regressed since is all-star year. Yes i know part of it is bcs of tanking jazz but still it looks more and more like that one year was outlier. Also he is injured a lot, and in New Orleans it can only get worse... I was for this trade a year ago, but now not so much.
Also have to add, Pelicans have Murphy who is better shooter and better defender, and we cant afford to play without Missi since defense would be attrocious. That means Murphy would have to go back to bench which doesnt make any sense.

[lordjeff05]

Yeah I disagree with having to keep Missi in there as a starter. I think you start Lauri at the 5 and just switch a ton. You still play Missi a lot of minutes with essentially a 3 man rotation at the 4/5 and you rely on perimeter length as a key part of your defense.

[Daddy 801]

The Jazz probably won’t trade Lauri for a year or two even if they do end up trading him. They are placing him in new situations so his numbers are down. And they are load managing him as if he has some really serious injury when the reality is they are tanking. So it makes more sense they keep him until they actually play him in the role he is best at, and he plays a whole season without “injuries” so they can get the best offer for him.

Or, they get lucky in the draft the next two years and have actual talent to put around Lauri and Kessler and they have a good team.

To me trading Lauri probably means the Jazz get unlucky in the next two year drafts and they are trading for more assets because they didn’t get Flagg or whomever.

[Astaluego]

I would think that it's at least another frp short. Even if you plug in Ace Bailey (consensus #3)-it doesn't look that good to me for UTA for #3 or any beyond that. I also presume that UTA would prefer an expiring CJ over DJM's longer deal...so Ainge can get to work right away.

More and more, I think UTA should just keep Lauri and Kessler and use everything else to build around that combo.Building through the draft takes time and mistakes and course corrections. I'd lock in those two spots because all of the rest of UTA's stuff is pretty marginal, imo. Of course, they have a stockpile of picks but how long before the fans get to see something happen?

The next draft has Dybantsa/Peterson/Boozer...are you going to miss out on the chance to pick one of those and pair him with the top prospect selected this year??.. I repeat myself, but the best assets the Jazz have are their own picks and I think keeping their pick next year or not...can make a huge difference, on their success over the next decade.. Kessler is in a contract year and needs to play and Lauri will only lose value, resting and playing to lose... I think Angie can rob some desperate team, still on a rookie contract with Kessler (Hawks? Lakers?/Knicks?) and get a couple of FRP with power + prospect and avoid paying him (he will lose much of his value)...and find a good deal for Lauri and Sexton.. I understand they want to have good role players for when they are ready to compete, but they can get those, with their surplus of late picks...I would look for bets, yes They are cheap, they won't help you win next year and they bring back a FRP..Collins for D.Murray + FRP??

[wemby]

Ok so I geniuinely have no clue where people place the value here and would love some perspective. Assuming Pels get a top 6 pick.

Utah gives Lauri for Dejounte Murray, Kelly Olynyk and the 2025 first.

Reasoning here for is Utah gets a top 5 pick more in line with the timeline of their other guys. It’s another chance to try and get a superstar.

Top 6 pick is a very broad range. Trading 1 (Flagg) is unthinkable; 2-3 (Harper/Bailey), very unlikely; 4-6 (VJ Edgecombe/Tre Johnson/Jakucionis) is possible. One thing to consider is contract, for the Jazz I think this is definitely an interesting proposition, for the Hornets I think I probably take the long term team controlled rookie contract and look to move Zion instead. Less "upside" but more certainty.