ATL - 2025 Season - Aaron Jones on IL

[jute2003]

I could see a little resurgence....especially if he actually does anything besides hallucinogenics this offseason.

[MVP2110]

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[Treebeard]

With Rogers, it seems the links between him and a team are pundit speculations, rather than leaks from teams. The last thing I remember reading with a specific link to a team was Rogers initiated contact to the Giants.

Or, is any of that just pre-FA period smoke and mirror BS?

[MickeyDavis]

FA week is fun. A lot of big names will change teams. And then it will start filtering down to the lesser players. It's refreshing that my small (tiny) market team can compete evenly with the big markets.

[Turk Nowitzki]

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Schneider: "a 1st and a 3rd"
Gute: ..........
Schneider: "ok just a 1st"
Gute: ..........
Schneider: "okay fine a 2nd rounder"
Gute: ..........

We've almost made it to Doubs and a 3rd

[Frank Nova]

I've seen worse QBs then Geno and Baker (2 reclamation QBs as you put it) win SBs



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Baker Mayfield signed a 4mil deal with Tampa before they gave him 33m annual. He also just turned 29. Geno is 34 and about to sign for 45m annually and has never won anything in his career. Tampa at least did it the right way and made Baker prove he was worth more money.

Nick Foles, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer. There’s your list over the last 25yrs. What type of point does that prove?

Stop giving these dudes monster contracts and constantly resetting the market is all I’m trying to say. If you disagree with that then I’m not really sure what else to say. If you think those types of QBs are worth that because the league as a whole says it’s the going rate, that’s where the problem is.

Geno isn't resetting the market.

And you forgot Flacco FYI if were talking about simply average, or slightly below average, QBs(I kinda wanna throw Eli in there too or even Peyton on his last one)

And the point is that that just because you don't have a top QB doesn't mean you CANT win. Sure it makes it harder but not impossible or unlikely to the point that teams shouldnt even consider trying

What's your point? That teams without an elite or upper echelon QB should just tank?

There's only so many top flight QBs. Nothing wrong with having an average one and building around him cause yes teams can and have won doing just that



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The likelihood of building a 53 man roster that’s worthy of title contention completely craters when you overpay an average QB.

Flacco had 1 of the greatest post season runs in NFL history, if you think Geno is capable of that then we can just agree to disagree. Also similar to Eli Manning, I just can’t agree putting him in the same conversation as a Geno Smith.

My point is stop giving these average QBs big money. It’s pretty simple. For every exception to the rule, there’s a laundry list of examples why paying these dudes sets your franchise back.

Vegas isn’t even in the realm of title contending teams. They’re playing to not be last in their division, not a Super Bowl. You think paying a “solidly average” QB as MVP said 45m annually at age 34 until he’s 37 is smart? I don’t at all. Geno would’ve made more sense in Minnesota but they didn’t go that route because they’re not stupid. They didn’t even want to overpay the average QB that took them to the 2nd round last year that they signed for 10m.

If you need a stop gap bandaid QB, that’s understandable, you’re right there’s only so many upper echelon QBs league wide but to say it’s a good move or makes sense to overpay for these average QBs I just can’t agree with.

I only even care about this because of the Packers situation. I have no idea what Jordan Love is still. Is he Geno Smith? Maybe. And if he is, I sure as hell don’t want to pay him 45m per season or more. These types of situations in Vegas trickle down and affect the league. While Geno might not be “resetting the market” these situations every off season do.

[Cactus Jack]

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Schneider: "a 1st and a 3rd"
Gute: ..........
Schneider: "ok just a 1st"
Gute: ..........
Schneider: "okay fine a 2nd rounder"
Gute: ..........

We've almost made it to Doubs and a 3rd

Honestly, it sounds like it came directly from DK's camp. "Wants to play for a warm weather city". Along with giving the amount of $$ he's seeking.

[Turk Nowitzki]

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Schneider: "a 1st and a 3rd"
Gute: ..........
Schneider: "ok just a 1st"
Gute: ..........
Schneider: "okay fine a 2nd rounder"
Gute: ..........

We've almost made it to Doubs and a 3rd

Honestly, it sounds like it came directly from DK's camp. "Wants to play for a warm weather city". Along with giving the amount of $$ he's seeking.

I mean he can try to get everything he wants, no harm in that, but ultimately the pool of teams who want to give up the draft capital and pay him that contract and be in his ideal climate is probably extremely narrow. So he'll have to decide if it's worth pouting about that or taking the money. My guess is he'd choose the money.

[Cactus Jack]

Schneider: "a 1st and a 3rd"
Gute: ..........
Schneider: "ok just a 1st"
Gute: ..........
Schneider: "okay fine a 2nd rounder"
Gute: ..........

We've almost made it to Doubs and a 3rd

Honestly, it sounds like it came directly from DK's camp. "Wants to play for a warm weather city". Along with giving the amount of $$ he's seeking.

I mean he can try to get everything he wants, no harm in that, but ultimately the pool of teams who want to give up the draft capital and pay him that contract and be in his ideal climate is probably extremely narrow. So he'll have to decide if it's worth pouting about that or taking the money. My guess is he'd choose the money.

I know, but it's clearly his camp trying to get the word out to get things moving on that front.

Based on Schneider's recent comments they we're caught off guard by the trade request. They prefer to keep him around.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Honestly, it sounds like it came directly from DK's camp. "Wants to play for a warm weather city". Along with giving the amount of $$ he's seeking.

I mean he can try to get everything he wants, no harm in that, but ultimately the pool of teams who want to give up the draft capital and pay him that contract and be in his ideal climate is probably extremely narrow. So he'll have to decide if it's worth pouting about that or taking the money. My guess is he'd choose the money.

The Hawks clearly would rather keep him based on Schneider's comments.

I don't think you can read too much into that at all. He was recently publicly insisting that Geno was his QB and now he's a Raider. They don't seem to want to keep DK enough to pay him a market value extension and that's probably the most relevant thing to the whole situation right now.

[Cactus Jack]

I mean he can try to get everything he wants, no harm in that, but ultimately the pool of teams who want to give up the draft capital and pay him that contract and be in his ideal climate is probably extremely narrow. So he'll have to decide if it's worth pouting about that or taking the money. My guess is he'd choose the money.

The Hawks clearly would rather keep him based on Schneider's comments.

I don't think you can read too much into that at all. He was recently publicly insisting that Geno was his QB and now he's a Raider. They don't seem to want to keep DK enough to pay him a market value extension and that's probably the most relevant thing to the whole situation right now.

No, they we're caught off guard by the trade request.

DK found out that Geno was on the way out & now is looking for his own way out.

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[Turk Nowitzki]

Well regardless it should be an interesting 24-48 hours because I could see interested teams wanting to know before free agency kicks off if they need to budget for a massive DK Metcalf extension.

[Turk Nowitzki]

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[Cactus Jack]

He was recently publicly insisting that Geno was his QB and now he's a Raider.

Fwiw they we're fully intending to keep Geno. They just didn't want to give him an extension worth $45 plus million per year. He & his agent were playing hardball. So, they pivoted. They didn't want to commit a ton of money to him long-term.

[Matches Malone]

It's always funny to me when an athlete brings up weather as part of their negotiations. Maybe because we're born in Wisconsin, the cold isn't much of our thinking, but like c'mon... you're gonna be on a beach somewhere half the year during offseason anyways. You can handle a few months of cold. Go to a team you can win and get paid. All that other stuff is window dressing.

[Profound23]

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I don't blame him at all.

[Turk Nowitzki]

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I don't blame him at all.

Oh me either but the discourse from Garrett leading up to this makes it way funnier.

[RRyder823]

Baker Mayfield signed a 4mil deal with Tampa before they gave him 33m annual. He also just turned 29. Geno is 34 and about to sign for 45m annually and has never won anything in his career. Tampa at least did it the right way and made Baker prove he was worth more money.

Nick Foles, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer. There’s your list over the last 25yrs. What type of point does that prove?

Stop giving these dudes monster contracts and constantly resetting the market is all I’m trying to say. If you disagree with that then I’m not really sure what else to say. If you think those types of QBs are worth that because the league as a whole says it’s the going rate, that’s where the problem is.

Geno isn't resetting the market.

And you forgot Flacco FYI if were talking about simply average, or slightly below average, QBs(I kinda wanna throw Eli in there too or even Peyton on his last one)

And the point is that that just because you don't have a top QB doesn't mean you CANT win. Sure it makes it harder but not impossible or unlikely to the point that teams shouldnt even consider trying

What's your point? That teams without an elite or upper echelon QB should just tank?

There's only so many top flight QBs. Nothing wrong with having an average one and building around him cause yes teams can and have won doing just that



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The likelihood of building a 53 man roster that’s worthy of title contention completely craters when you overpay an average QB.

Flacco had 1 of the greatest post season runs in NFL history, if you think Geno is capable of that then we can just agree to disagree. Also similar to Eli Manning, I just can’t agree putting him in the same conversation as a Geno Smith.

My point is stop giving these average QBs big money. It’s pretty simple. For every exception to the rule, there’s a laundry list of examples why paying these dudes sets your franchise back.

Vegas isn’t even in the realm of title contending teams. They’re playing to not be last in their division, not a Super Bowl. You think paying a “solidly average” QB as MVP said 45m annually at age 34 until he’s 37 is smart? I don’t at all. Geno would’ve made more sense in Minnesota but they didn’t go that route because they’re not stupid. They didn’t even want to overpay the average QB that took them to the 2nd round last year that they signed for 10m.

If you need a stop gap bandaid QB, that’s understandable, you’re right there’s only so many upper echelon QBs league wide but to say it’s a good move or makes sense to overpay for these average QBs I just can’t agree with.

I only even care about this because of the Packers situation. I have no idea what Jordan Love is still. Is he Geno Smith? Maybe. And if he is, I sure as hell don’t want to pay him 45m per season or more. These types of situations in Vegas trickle down and affect the league. While Geno might not be “resetting the market” these situations every off season do.

A: Minnesota didn't make the 2nd round last year

B: Minnesota also has a 1st round QB waiting in the wings that will eventually return from injury.

Using them as an example isn't smart

40-45 is average money for a starting QB. It's simply what the market is. Painting it as huge money for a starting QB is being intellectually dishonest. It's big money for the rest of us but isn't for the position

I've pointed out average QBs that have won SBs. You can continue to act like average QBs can't win a SB (or paying one will "crater your chances") but it simply isn't true



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[WeekapaugGroove]

Baker Mayfield signed a 4mil deal with Tampa before they gave him 33m annual. He also just turned 29. Geno is 34 and about to sign for 45m annually and has never won anything in his career. Tampa at least did it the right way and made Baker prove he was worth more money.

Nick Foles, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer. There’s your list over the last 25yrs. What type of point does that prove?

Stop giving these dudes monster contracts and constantly resetting the market is all I’m trying to say. If you disagree with that then I’m not really sure what else to say. If you think those types of QBs are worth that because the league as a whole says it’s the going rate, that’s where the problem is.

Geno isn't resetting the market.

And you forgot Flacco FYI if were talking about simply average, or slightly below average, QBs(I kinda wanna throw Eli in there too or even Peyton on his last one)

And the point is that that just because you don't have a top QB doesn't mean you CANT win. Sure it makes it harder but not impossible or unlikely to the point that teams shouldnt even consider trying

What's your point? That teams without an elite or upper echelon QB should just tank?

There's only so many top flight QBs. Nothing wrong with having an average one and building around him cause yes teams can and have won doing just that



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The likelihood of building a 53 man roster that’s worthy of title contention completely craters when you overpay an average QB.

Flacco had 1 of the greatest post season runs in NFL history, if you think Geno is capable of that then we can just agree to disagree. Also similar to Eli Manning, I just can’t agree putting him in the same conversation as a Geno Smith.

My point is stop giving these average QBs big money. It’s pretty simple. For every exception to the rule, there’s a laundry list of examples why paying these dudes sets your franchise back.

Vegas isn’t even in the realm of title contending teams. They’re playing to not be last in their division, not a Super Bowl. You think paying a “solidly average” QB as MVP said 45m annually at age 34 until he’s 37 is smart? I don’t at all. Geno would’ve made more sense in Minnesota but they didn’t go that route because they’re not stupid. They didn’t even want to overpay the average QB that took them to the 2nd round last year that they signed for 10m.

If you need a stop gap bandaid QB, that’s understandable, you’re right there’s only so many upper echelon QBs league wide but to say it’s a good move or makes sense to overpay for these average QBs I just can’t agree with.

I only even care about this because of the Packers situation. I have no idea what Jordan Love is still. Is he Geno Smith? Maybe. And if he is, I sure as hell don’t want to pay him 45m per season or more. These types of situations in Vegas trickle down and affect the league. While Geno might not be “resetting the market” these situations every off season do.

You're not wrong with much of this but you're also working off the belief that EVERY move a team makes is with the singular goal of winning a championship. That's simply not the case in the NFL or any pro sports. It's an entertainment business and sometimes teams make a move to simply not **** suck anymore and have their fans actually have a reason to attend/watch.

I get Geno from that standpoint for a franchise that hasn't exactly entertained their new fan base.

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[ReasonablySober]

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I don't blame him at all.

Oh me either but the discourse from Garrett leading up to this makes it way funnier.

Not gonna lie, I thought this was one of the rare cases when it wasn't about the money. I shouldn't have been so dumb.