Josh Giddey - Conundrum Killer

[WindyCityBorn]

He’s not.
Luka
Shai
Brunson
Steph
Dame
Haliburton
Cade
Garland
Maxey
Fox

You’re wrong take the L

You don’t even realize why I’m laughing and I’m not gonna tell you.

You’re wrong buddy. He’s never put it together for a whole season.

Yes a player had never put it together at the age of 23.

[PJSteven22]

You don’t even realize why I’m laughing and I’m not gonna tell you.

You’re wrong buddy. He’s never put it together for a whole season.

Yes a player had never put it together at the age of 23.

You missed the point. I’m just saying it’s a huge risk giving him a big deal without anything tangible. Just hope of him putting everything together.

[kodo]

Josh's #s since Lavine stopped playing (16 games):

19.1 ppg 8.3 rpg 6.9 apg
46.7% 3P% 62.5% TS

Just for reference, Haliburton ($50M per year average):
18.5 ppg 3.5 rpg 8.9 apg
39.0% 3P%, 61.2% TS

I think the big question is how much does that 3P% normalize. He's already up to 38% over the season while adjusting to Chicago.
I'd love to have him long term at $20M but it seems like he's way beyond the Bojan Bogdanovic price tier at this point.

[Andi Obst]

I love this board. Giddey either sucks or he's worth 150 mil.

[WindyCityBorn]

Josh's #s since Lavine stopped playing (16 games):

19.1 ppg 8.3 rpg 6.9 apg
46.7% 3P% 62.5% TS

Just for reference, Haliburton ($50M per year average):
18.5 ppg 3.5 rpg 8.9 apg
39.0% 3P%, 61.2% TS

I think the big question is how much does that 3P% normalize. He's already up to 38% over the season while adjusting to Chicago.

If his 3 point percentage normalized to 37 percent on 5 or attempts per game that would be fine.

[PJSteven22]

Josh's #s since Lavine stopped playing (16 games):

19.1 ppg 8.3 rpg 6.9 apg
46.7% 3P% 62.5% TS

Just for reference, Haliburton ($50M per year average):
18.5 ppg 3.5 rpg 8.9 apg
39.0% 3P%, 61.2% TS

I think the big question is how much does that 3P% normalize. He's already up to 38% over the season while adjusting to Chicago.
I'd love to have him long term at $20M but it seems like he's way beyond the Bojan Bogdanovic price tier at this point.

Who’s going to offer him that other than the Bulls?

[WindyCityBorn]

I love this board. Giddey either sucks or he's worth 150 mil.

$25 million per for this production would be one of the biggest steals in the NBA. The only question is whether it is sustainable. I think it is other than the 50 percent 3 point shooting. I think that normalizes around 37 percent. Which is fine and higher than plenty of “stars”.

[CROBulls]

Josh's #s since Lavine stopped playing (16 games):

19.1 ppg 8.3 rpg 6.9 apg
46.7% 3P% 62.5% TS

Just for reference, Haliburton ($50M per year average):
18.5 ppg 3.5 rpg 8.9 apg
39.0% 3P%, 61.2% TS

I think the big question is how much does that 3P% normalize. He's already up to 38% over the season while adjusting to Chicago.
I'd love to have him long term at $20M but it seems like he's way beyond the Bojan Bogdanovic price tier at this point.

That is all my point. It's crap. His agent will say he is worth minimum 30M (while arguing he should be getting 50M) because he plays inflated stats on a terrible team (for 30 days). When his actual production (over 4 years) is worth 15M which would he get if he stayed with OKC. His actual representitive numbers. This dumb franchise will put themselves into position to add another terrible contract on their salary payroll.

And this dumb fanbase will try convince themselves they have young star on a rise, because they being deprived what actual NBA star looks like for 15 years now.

[Chi town]

Lol Fox? The 3rd best PG on his own team?

That’s not really the evaluation. Only one of those players is 22. You don’t rebuild with 38 year olds.

From that list I’d take Cade, Shai, Luka and Maxey over post TDL Giddey. Garland is awful on D. Hali is a head case and I don’t trust his body to hold up. Brunson is older and injury risk with his style of play. Not a big fan of Fox.

For a young rebuilding team post TDL 22yr old Giddey looks like a strong fit. He’s already beginning to lead and organize the floor in key moments to get the team good shots.

8 games is all it takes I guess. I need at least a season of high level production before I go that far. Also he doesn’t seem to fit with other star players. That’s my main issue. How far are you going with a Giddey? Not that far. This reminds me of bears fans hyping up guys like Mitch Trubisky because we’re gasping for straws.

8 games is all we got as of now. 30 games will help but I agree not nearly enough. I’d think I’d be ok giving Giddey 25M per if he continued his 20/9/8 through end of season.

You sound like a disgruntled let down Chicago sports fan! I relate. Bears have def let us down. It’s hard to believe and let hope rise when we are only let down consistently.

[Jcool0]

Josh's #s since Lavine stopped playing (16 games):

19.1 ppg 8.3 rpg 6.9 apg
46.7% 3P% 62.5% TS

Just for reference, Haliburton ($50M per year average):
18.5 ppg 3.5 rpg 8.9 apg
39.0% 3P%, 61.2% TS

I think the big question is how much does that 3P% normalize. He's already up to 38% over the season while adjusting to Chicago.
I'd love to have him long term at $20M but it seems like he's way beyond the Bojan Bogdanovic price tier at this point.

That is all my point. It's crap. His agent will say he is worth minimum 30M (while arguing he should be getting 50M) because he plays inflated stats on a terrible team (for 30 days). When his actual production (over 4 years) is worth 15M which would he get if he stayed with OKC. His actual representitive numbers. This dumb franchise will put themselves into position to add another terrible contract on their salary payroll.

And this dumb fanbase will try convince themselves they have young star on a rise, because they being deprived what actual NBA star looks like for 15 years now.

A guy who was 21 years old averaging 14/7.3/5.7 on 46/31/75 for his carrer was only worth 15M?

Jalen Suggs who was 22 averaged 11.5/3.2/3.2 on 42/33/75 and signed for 5 years 150M.

[CROBulls]

Josh's #s since Lavine stopped playing (16 games):

19.1 ppg 8.3 rpg 6.9 apg
46.7% 3P% 62.5% TS

Just for reference, Haliburton ($50M per year average):
18.5 ppg 3.5 rpg 8.9 apg
39.0% 3P%, 61.2% TS

I think the big question is how much does that 3P% normalize. He's already up to 38% over the season while adjusting to Chicago.
I'd love to have him long term at $20M but it seems like he's way beyond the Bojan Bogdanovic price tier at this point.

That is all my point. It's crap. His agent will say he is worth minimum 30M (while arguing he should be getting 50M) because he plays inflated stats on a terrible team (for 30 days). When his actual production (over 4 years) is worth 15M which would he get if he stayed with OKC. His actual representitive numbers. This dumb franchise will put themselves into position to add another terrible contract on their salary payroll.

And this dumb fanbase will try convince themselves they have young star on a rise, because they being deprived what actual NBA star looks like for 15 years now.

A guy who was 21 years old averaging 14/7.3/5.7 on 46/31/75 for his carrer was only worth 15M?

Jalen Suggs who was 22 averaged 11.5/3.2/3.2 on 42/33/75 and signed for 5 years 150M.

I dont care what Suggs signed. This franchise is not Orlando Magic. Now, we do have Patrick Williams putting 9.1/4.0/2.0 37.5 FG% after signing 90M deal. So I am going somewhere with that. It just depends how bad contract you want it to be.

[Jcool0]

That is all my point. It's crap. His agent will say he is worth minimum 30M (while arguing he should be getting 50M) because he plays inflated stats on a terrible team (for 30 days). When his actual production (over 4 years) is worth 15M which would he get if he stayed with OKC. His actual representitive numbers. This dumb franchise will put themselves into position to add another terrible contract on their salary payroll.

And this dumb fanbase will try convince themselves they have young star on a rise, because they being deprived what actual NBA star looks like for 15 years now.

A guy who was 21 years old averaging 14/7.3/5.7 on 46/31/75 for his carrer was only worth 15M?

Jalen Suggs who was 22 averaged 11.5/3.2/3.2 on 42/33/75 and signed for 5 years 150M.

I dont care what Suggs signed. This franchise is not Orlando Magic. Now, we do have Patrick Williams putting 9.1/4.0/2.0 37.5 FG% after signing 90M deal. So I am going somewhere with that. It just depends how bad contract you want it to be.

Ahh you just want to complain. Got it.

[PJSteven22]

Josh's #s since Lavine stopped playing (16 games):

19.1 ppg 8.3 rpg 6.9 apg
46.7% 3P% 62.5% TS

Just for reference, Haliburton ($50M per year average):
18.5 ppg 3.5 rpg 8.9 apg
39.0% 3P%, 61.2% TS

I think the big question is how much does that 3P% normalize. He's already up to 38% over the season while adjusting to Chicago.
I'd love to have him long term at $20M but it seems like he's way beyond the Bojan Bogdanovic price tier at this point.

That is all my point. It's crap. His agent will say he is worth minimum 30M (while arguing he should be getting 50M) because he plays inflated stats on a terrible team (for 30 days). When his actual production (over 4 years) is worth 15M which would he get if he stayed with OKC. His actual representitive numbers. This dumb franchise will put themselves into position to add another terrible contract on their salary payroll.

And this dumb fanbase will try convince themselves they have young star on a rise, because they being deprived what actual NBA star looks like for 15 years now.

A guy who was 21 years old averaging 14/7.3/5.7 on 46/31/75 for his carrer was only worth 15M?

Jalen Suggs who was 22 averaged 11.5/3.2/3.2 on 42/33/75 and signed for 5 years 150M.

Jalen Suggs is an all NBA level defender. Josh Giddey average/slightly below average on defense at best.

[Jcool0]

That is all my point. It's crap. His agent will say he is worth minimum 30M (while arguing he should be getting 50M) because he plays inflated stats on a terrible team (for 30 days). When his actual production (over 4 years) is worth 15M which would he get if he stayed with OKC. His actual representitive numbers. This dumb franchise will put themselves into position to add another terrible contract on their salary payroll.

And this dumb fanbase will try convince themselves they have young star on a rise, because they being deprived what actual NBA star looks like for 15 years now.

A guy who was 21 years old averaging 14/7.3/5.7 on 46/31/75 for his carrer was only worth 15M?

Jalen Suggs who was 22 averaged 11.5/3.2/3.2 on 42/33/75 and signed for 5 years 150M.

Jalen Suggs is an all NBA level defender. Josh Giddey average/slightly below average on defense at best.

So Suggs is a better defender and Giddey is a better PG. Its a wash.

[WindyCityBorn]

Josh's #s since Lavine stopped playing (16 games):

19.1 ppg 8.3 rpg 6.9 apg
46.7% 3P% 62.5% TS

Just for reference, Haliburton ($50M per year average):
18.5 ppg 3.5 rpg 8.9 apg
39.0% 3P%, 61.2% TS

I think the big question is how much does that 3P% normalize. He's already up to 38% over the season while adjusting to Chicago.
I'd love to have him long term at $20M but it seems like he's way beyond the Bojan Bogdanovic price tier at this point.

Who’s going to offer him that other than the Bulls?

You do realize he has the option take the qualifying offer? It’s not like he has to accept anything that’s offered. He can bet on himself, play great next season and then say screw us and walk.

[WindyCityBorn]

A guy who was 21 years old averaging 14/7.3/5.7 on 46/31/75 for his carrer was only worth 15M?

Jalen Suggs who was 22 averaged 11.5/3.2/3.2 on 42/33/75 and signed for 5 years 150M.

Jalen Suggs is an all NBA level defender. Josh Giddey average/slightly below average on defense at best.

So Suggs is a better defender and Giddey is a better PG. Its a wash.

I would never trade Giddey for Suggs.

[PJSteven22]

A guy who was 21 years old averaging 14/7.3/5.7 on 46/31/75 for his carrer was only worth 15M?

Jalen Suggs who was 22 averaged 11.5/3.2/3.2 on 42/33/75 and signed for 5 years 150M.

Jalen Suggs is an all NBA level defender. Josh Giddey average/slightly below average on defense at best.

So Suggs is a better defender and Giddey is a better PG. Its a wash.

It doesn’t work like that. The gap for defense is wider than the gap for offense. It’s not a wash. Also the Magic dont need him to be a pure PG. They need him to space the floor, attack the basket and play lockdown defense. It’s a bad comparison. Plus the Magic last year was a 48 win team and Suggs shot 39 percent from deep. He’s obviously regressed and looks like he got overpaid. Doesn’t mean that you overpay the next guy. What sense does it make to pay a guy that you said is a third option 30 million when you have no second or first option? Not much at all.

[WindyCityBorn]

Jalen Suggs is an all NBA level defender. Josh Giddey average/slightly below average on defense at best.

So Suggs is a better defender and Giddey is a better PG. Its a wash.

It doesn’t work like that. The gap for defense is wider than the gap for offense. It’s not a wash. Also the Magic dont need him to be a pure PG. They need him to space the floor, attack the basket and play lockdown defense. It’s a bad comparison. Plus the Magic last year was a 48 win team and Suggs shot 39 percent from deep. He’s obviously regressed and looks like he got overpaid. Doesn’t mean that you overpay the next guy. What sense does it make to pay a guy that you said is a third option 30 million when you have no second or first option? Not much at all.

Cope. Giddey is better than Suggs and the Magic are screwed with 3 non-stars on crazy contracts.

[PJSteven22]

Jalen Suggs is an all NBA level defender. Josh Giddey average/slightly below average on defense at best.

So Suggs is a better defender and Giddey is a better PG. Its a wash.

I would never trade Giddey for Suggs.

Depends on what your team looks like. Josh Giddey wouldn’t look good with the Magic. At least if Suggs shot isn’t falling he can play defense. Suggs probably fits on more teams easily than Giddey. I take your opinion with a grain of salt.

[WindyCityBorn]

So Suggs is a better defender and Giddey is a better PG. Its a wash.

I would never trade Giddey for Suggs.

Depends on what your team looks like. Josh Giddey wouldn’t look good with the Magic. At least if Suggs shot isn’t falling he can play defense. Suggs probably fits on more teams easily than Giddey. I take your opinion with a grain of salt.

Ditto for you. Suggs is worse a Caruso making $30 million per.