2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8

[al bondiga]

maybe a new coach in a season or two... Only if he shows distinct signs of a very different and fresh approach, with bam and herro As center Pieces... Perhaps a true number one option

[DayofMourning]

The Herro/Bam core had clarity for a while now. This has not translated to winning.
The FO needs to start making smart decisions, they just haven't and it is the whole reason this team is where it is now.

The Terry deal is a disaster. I know some liked it, but this was never a good fit and there was enough data on Terry to know he's not a winning player and never has been.
The Jimmy situation was handled poorly, no foresight and then they put themselves in a position, where they settled for a poor return.
Instead of extending Jimmy they now have the contracts of Wiggins/Anderson, which is almost the same money on the books for the same amount of time, all they got is some 20ish FRP, while sending 2 of their 2nd rounders.
The most positive thing out of it might be Davion, who was handed to them in a salary dump for a 2nd rounder.

We don't need more sample size on the Herro/Bam core, these guys probably are what they are (they can proove the opposite with the remainder of the season, the time to step up for them is now) and it is time to sell them for value.
Sinking more assets into this will just delay the inevitable.

They've only had clarity as the main guys since trading Jimmy. Before that Jimmy was in and out and sometimes being the main guy and other times not doing anything. So far Wiggins has missed half of the games since being traded to the Heat. It will take the rest of the season to build some kind of chemistry that will hopefully bear fruit next season.

We have enough data on them, this is not about chemistry. LEBRON is a catch all metric, which meassures winning impact, it's one of the most respected out there.

The most impactful player during the last 6 years on the Heat was Jimmy by a very large margin, like I said before people underestimate how good he was, even during the regular season. In 20,21,22,23 he was on MVP level.

The last year he decline to all star level impact and that is when this team really started to struggle. Herro/Bam just aren't those guys, they have the chance to step up now and we aren't seeing it.

Usually guys break out when they get more playing time, more usage and responsibility. Neither Bam or Herro have shown that, I don't know how much more proof is needed than finishing out this season.

Getting aging KD won't solve a thing, he's more cooked than Jimmy, these guys aren't MVP level anymore.

Id like to know how this ties in to FT generation. I feel like the "superstars" are the ones with the most attempts. If Bam was shooting 10 a game, hed be considered top ten.

[BadMofoPimp]

I am amazed at all the sell the farm getting rid of Bam and Herro posts here. The vast majority of teams that do these scenarios end up being crap teams for a solid decade. It rarely works out for the better. They only see the 1 time out of 10 times this has worked out and think it is a win win situation.

[DayofMourning]

I am amazed at all the sell the farm getting rid of Bam and Herro posts here. The vast majority of teams that do these scenarios end up being crap teams for a solid decade. It rarely works out for the better. They only see the 1 time out of 10 times this has worked out and think it is a win win situation.

Ive traded everyone a hundred times. The grass is always greener.

Truth is, Bams character is one in a million. You dont trade a guy like that.

Herro has been amazing this year. Post ASB he has been pressing. The lineups hes had to work with in the 4th are ludicrous though.

Its not one thing. Its a marriage of distorted pieces performing poorly.

Theres a lot of gab being gabbed about, twitter weakness, about how bad we are. In my eyes, we have great ingredients (maybe missing a couple spices) but the chef is in his own head. Cooking Chef Boyardee atm.

[twix2500]

The Herro/Bam core had clarity for a while now. This has not translated to winning.
The FO needs to start making smart decisions, they just haven't and it is the whole reason this team is where it is now.

The Terry deal is a disaster. I know some liked it, but this was never a good fit and there was enough data on Terry to know he's not a winning player and never has been.
The Jimmy situation was handled poorly, no foresight and then they put themselves in a position, where they settled for a poor return.
Instead of extending Jimmy they now have the contracts of Wiggins/Anderson, which is almost the same money on the books for the same amount of time, all they got is some 20ish FRP, while sending 2 of their 2nd rounders.
The most positive thing out of it might be Davion, who was handed to them in a salary dump for a 2nd rounder.

We don't need more sample size on the Herro/Bam core, these guys probably are what they are (they can proove the opposite with the remainder of the season, the time to step up for them is now) and it is time to sell them for value.
Sinking more assets into this will just delay the inevitable.

The Terry problem is not about fit. He isn't playing at an NBA level in general. Its a him problem

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[VaDe255]

I am amazed at all the sell the farm getting rid of Bam and Herro posts here. The vast majority of teams that do these scenarios end up being crap teams for a solid decade. It rarely works out for the better. They only see the 1 time out of 10 times this has worked out and think it is a win win situation.

It's a proven and strategic approach that consistently puts franchises in a position to succeed. The key is selling players when they have value but aren’t good enough to win a title, this is how teams land true MVP level talent instead of getting stuck in mediocrity.

OKC kept flipping players like Paul George, Russell Westbrook, and Chris Paul for assets until they secured SGA and Chet Holmgren, with a massive pick stash to build around them.
The Spurs sold high on Dejounte Murray instead of keeping him for no reason, leading to Victor Wembanyama and extra picks for the future.
Even Boston reset at the right time, trading Pierce & Garnett for draft capital that became Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown, allowing them to build a contender the right way.

This is a methodical, calculated way to either draft an MVP level player or acquire one through trades. In contrast, competing with mid tier talent while hoping a disgruntled star magically becomes available is not a real strategy that leads to success, we've seen enough of it. Most of their success is tied to Dwayne Wade who was to no surprise a high draft pick.

[dolphinatik]

Okc also flipped head coaches as did Boston

[Kobewade11]

I am amazed at all the sell the farm getting rid of Bam and Herro posts here. The vast majority of teams that do these scenarios end up being crap teams for a solid decade. It rarely works out for the better. They only see the 1 time out of 10 times this has worked out and think it is a win win situation.

It's a proven and strategic approach that consistently puts franchises in a position to succeed. The key is selling players when they have value but aren’t good enough to win a title, this is how teams land true MVP level talent instead of getting stuck in mediocrity.

OKC kept flipping players like Paul George, Russell Westbrook, and Chris Paul for assets until they secured SGA and Chet Holmgren, with a massive pick stash to build around them.
The Spurs sold high on Dejounte Murray instead of keeping him for no reason, leading to Victor Wembanyama and extra picks for the future.
Even Boston reset at the right time, trading Pierce & Garnett for draft capital that became Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown, allowing them to build a contender the right way.

This is a methodical, calculated way to either draft an MVP level player or acquire one through trades. In contrast, competing with mid tier talent while hoping a disgruntled star magically becomes available is not a real strategy that leads to success, with seen enough of it. Most of their success is tied to Dwayne Wade who was to no surprise a high draft pick.

I'm not sure strategic, methodical, or calculated are the words I would use. What this really comes down to if we're being honest is being lucky (or in some cases, unlucky). The handful of lucky teams are mentioned, the unlucky ones who have been trying and failing to draft the next big thing for the past 10, 20+ years are all excluded for some reason.

[jele]

I totally agree. We're not winning anything with them Bam/Herro combo. We need a superstar and I doubt we're getting one thru free agency. Therefore, at this point in time, I'd gladly trade Bam and Herro for first rounders. Specially Bam because I think he has a better market value right now. Some people believe that Bam should be the cornerstone of the franchise but I like Bam too but he is not capable of bringing a title.

[VaDe255]

I am amazed at all the sell the farm getting rid of Bam and Herro posts here. The vast majority of teams that do these scenarios end up being crap teams for a solid decade. It rarely works out for the better. They only see the 1 time out of 10 times this has worked out and think it is a win win situation.

It's a proven and strategic approach that consistently puts franchises in a position to succeed. The key is selling players when they have value but aren’t good enough to win a title, this is how teams land true MVP level talent instead of getting stuck in mediocrity.

OKC kept flipping players like Paul George, Russell Westbrook, and Chris Paul for assets until they secured SGA and Chet Holmgren, with a massive pick stash to build around them.
The Spurs sold high on Dejounte Murray instead of keeping him for no reason, leading to Victor Wembanyama and extra picks for the future.
Even Boston reset at the right time, trading Pierce & Garnett for draft capital that became Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown, allowing them to build a contender the right way.

This is a methodical, calculated way to either draft an MVP level player or acquire one through trades. In contrast, competing with mid tier talent while hoping a disgruntled star magically becomes available is not a real strategy that leads to success, with seen enough of it. Most of their success is tied to Dwayne Wade who was to no surprise a high draft pick.

I'm not sure strategic, methodical, or calculated are the words I would use. What this really comes down to if we're being honest is being lucky (or in some cases, unlucky). The handful of lucky teams are mentioned, the unlucky ones who have been trying and failing to draft the next big thing for the past 10, 20+ years are all excluded for some reason.

It’s methodical and calculated because it’s a repeatable strategy, not just blind luck. Consistently selling high on good-but-not-great players, stacking assets, and put yourself in position to draft an MVP-level guy or to trade for one if one becomes available should be super easy for a franchise with a great culture and location.

Luck plays a role in everything, but having more picks, more shots at a star, and more trade flexibility isn’t luck, it’s smart team-building.

[greg4012]

It's a proven and strategic approach that consistently puts franchises in a position to succeed. The key is selling players when they have value but aren’t good enough to win a title, this is how teams land true MVP level talent instead of getting stuck in mediocrity.

OKC kept flipping players like Paul George, Russell Westbrook, and Chris Paul for assets until they secured SGA and Chet Holmgren, with a massive pick stash to build around them.
The Spurs sold high on Dejounte Murray instead of keeping him for no reason, leading to Victor Wembanyama and extra picks for the future.
Even Boston reset at the right time, trading Pierce & Garnett for draft capital that became Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown, allowing them to build a contender the right way.

This is a methodical, calculated way to either draft an MVP level player or acquire one through trades. In contrast, competing with mid tier talent while hoping a disgruntled star magically becomes available is not a real strategy that leads to success, with seen enough of it. Most of their success is tied to Dwayne Wade who was to no surprise a high draft pick.

I'm not sure strategic, methodical, or calculated are the words I would use. What this really comes down to if we're being honest is being lucky (or in some cases, unlucky). The handful of lucky teams are mentioned, the unlucky ones who have been trying and failing to draft the next big thing for the past 10, 20+ years are all excluded for some reason.

It’s methodical and calculated because it’s a repeatable strategy, not just blind luck. Consistently selling high on good-but-not-great players, stacking assets, and put yourself in position to draft an MVP-level guy or to trade for one if one becomes available should be super easy for a franchise with a great culture and location.

Luck plays a role in everything, but having more picks, more shots at a star, and more trade flexibility isn’t luck, it’s smart team-building.

So it's methodical in the sense of being an outlined method and calculated in the sense of being intentional. As to the actual success rate, we don't get too critical in looking into that.

Buzz words go bzzzzzz

[jbsays]

Trading Bam for first rounders? You better get 4-5 of them.

Herro won't get you anything better than Herro. If he would then he wouldn't be on the Heat this season. You really think Riley told the Blazers "I'm not giving up Herro for Dame" or the Nets when they moved KD to the Suns?

[SA37]

I am amazed at all the sell the farm getting rid of Bam and Herro posts here. The vast majority of teams that do these scenarios end up being crap teams for a solid decade. It rarely works out for the better. They only see the 1 time out of 10 times this has worked out and think it is a win win situation.

It's a proven and strategic approach that consistently puts franchises in a position to succeed. The key is selling players when they have value but aren’t good enough to win a title, this is how teams land true MVP level talent instead of getting stuck in mediocrity.

OKC kept flipping players like Paul George, Russell Westbrook, and Chris Paul for assets until they secured SGA and Chet Holmgren, with a massive pick stash to build around them.
The Spurs sold high on Dejounte Murray instead of keeping him for no reason, leading to Victor Wembanyama and extra picks for the future.
Even Boston reset at the right time, trading Pierce & Garnett for draft capital that became Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown, allowing them to build a contender the right way.

This is a methodical, calculated way to either draft an MVP level player or acquire one through trades. In contrast, competing with mid tier talent while hoping a disgruntled star magically becomes available is not a real strategy that leads to success, with seen enough of it. Most of their success is tied to Dwayne Wade who was to no surprise a high draft pick.

I'm not sure strategic, methodical, or calculated are the words I would use. What this really comes down to if we're being honest is being lucky (or in some cases, unlucky). The handful of lucky teams are mentioned, the unlucky ones who have been trying and failing to draft the next big thing for the past 10, 20+ years are all excluded for some reason.

People seem to forget Miami has been to the Finals twice in the last 5 seasons (and was a Jimmy Butler 3 away from potentially 3 in 5 seasons).

From Miami's FO perspective, I think they'd only move Bam if they were getting Giannis, Doncic, SGA, Wembanyama, or Jokic back. Embiid would be in that group were it not for his health issues. I could definitely see Miami moving Herro in a trade for Durant or Zion, but I those are probably the only scenarios we'd see this summer where Miami would consider dealing Herro.

Building through the Draft is extremely difficult, but Miami is one of the few teams to have done this (along with developing undrafted guys) and gotten so close to winning the title.

[greg4012]

If Billy King is still running a NBA franchise and looking to top his prior NBA-worst trades, I'm very interested.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

You all are wasting your time discussing a full tear down. They will not trade Bam unless he asks out and they’ve already been delusional about Tyler in the past (didn’t want to trade him for a young Mitchell, didn’t want to trade him for Dame who is still far better, etc.) so I doubt that changes now.

For once the Dion Waiters stan is the voice of reason, the draft will be heavily reliant on luck. We’ll be praying we can hit on a draft pick that’s even as good as Herro let alone Bam, and even further an MVP candidate. Spend the whole year sucking just to Draft Lonzo Ball when Tatum goes right behind him, to draft a Michael Beasley, to take Precious when Maxey is staring you in the face. It’s not all luck but a major part of it simply is.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I listed it out maybe yesterday but we have assets, we can get something big done and no it doesn’t have to be 1 move makes us an instant contender, we can do multiple.

You don’t need to be thinking about what 1 player we can acquire to make us the championship favorites. You get a KD level player then great, now what comes after that is going to put us over the top? You get Trae, cool what’s next? We need 2 high level players, we already have one who has shown several times to be a key catalyst to deep playoff runs many will say we had no business making.

[Kobewade11]

I really do my best to simply not acknowledge this poster whatsoever but I'll make an exception today - don't worry mods, no rule breaking here. Idk if this is some troll job or if this guy genuinely believes I'm a Dion Waiters "stan" I guess it doesn't really matter, carry on with the discussion guys

[Kobewade11]

So it's methodical in the sense of being an outlined method and calculated in the sense of being intentional. As to the actual success rate, we don't get to critical in looking into that.

Buzz words go bzzzzzz

You phrased it better than I could. It's a given that more at bats gets you more opportunities, it doesn't change the fact that the draft is largely a crapshoot, especially given the nature of the lottery itself. A soft tank would be more palatable with a fixed draft order ala the NFL, even then its rolling dice that you get the right guy.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I really do my best to simply not acknowledge this poster whatsoever but I'll make an exception today - don't worry mods, no rule breaking here. Idk if this is some troll job or if this guy genuinely believes I'm a Dion Waiters "stan" I guess it doesn't really matter, carry on with the discussion guys

Thank you for making the exception.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Just disappointing to see that a core of Tyler Herro and Bam Adebayo can't even win 40 games in a weak eastern conference. I was under the impression that with Bam and Tyler as the 'cornerstone' pieces we'd at least be a respectable 7th seed every year.

Hard to really get a legitimate read on it though, we’ve either had Jimmy/Terrys dead cap weighing us down or post trade it’s been constant injuries. Haven’t had the luxury of continuity

I don't want to say it too loud because the team may be listening ... but yeah, I don't think you can make a serious assessment of this group because of the **** show it was subjected to. IMO they are still hung over and exhausted from all that drama.

Maybe this group really does suck this bad, but maybe not.

But I'd rather not find out next season. We need new blood. But no 37 year olds.

I legit think they’re just ready for it to be over so they can get to the summer and regroup/reset. Like you said, it’s been a complete **** show of a season with the Jimmy drama and then we traded him for a couple role players basically ending any competitive chance they had. I don’t think anyone is happy right now.