Summer Decisions

[Skybox]

What a depressing thread. All those empty stats losing players like Simons, Russell and Poole. Give me a real PG and some cheap shooters instead.

who is your real PG?

It's pretty easy to tell us who it "isn't"...who is it?

Casually pissing on Simons leads me to think you'll have an unrealistic idea like Cole for Steph...or, just no ideas

There's a lot to consider...fit, cap ramifications, etc

[zaymon]

What a depressing thread. All those empty stats losing players like Simons, Russell and Poole. Give me a real PG and some cheap shooters instead.

who is your real PG?

It's pretty easy to tell us who it "isn't"...who is it?

Casually pissing on Simons leads me to think you'll have an unrealistic idea like Cole for Steph...or, just no ideas

There's a lot to consider...fit, cap ramifications, etc

Question is.do we want to make play ins regularly.or playoffs ?.We.will never win championship with players like Simons.
I prefer to remain patient than use assets on players who change nothing.

[eyriq]

The 80/20 rule says to cut off everyone not named Franz, Paolo, Cole, AB, Goga, JI, and Suggs. I give TDS a pass for being a rookie.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

who is your real PG?

It's pretty easy to tell us who it "isn't"...who is it?

Casually pissing on Simons leads me to think you'll have an unrealistic idea like Cole for Steph...or, just no ideas

There's a lot to consider...fit, cap ramifications, etc

Question is.do we want to make play ins regularly.or playoffs ?.We.will never win championship with players like Simons.
I prefer to remain patient than use assets on players who change nothing.

Simons/Sexton/White/Johnson shouldn't cost that much and would make us a top 4/5 team in the east IMO. Issue is we've done nothing and our FO gave the lame excuse that he got squeezed. We've now fallen off the face of the earth and are going to get squeezed even more in the summer. You've got players fighting mid game, a HC and staff that don't know how to fix the offensive woes & we'll be cap'd 1st Apron once Paolo signs his deal.

There's being patient and then our FO who is so scared to make a deal and come out on the wrong side of it even if it's a small deal

[Skybox]

who is your real PG?

It's pretty easy to tell us who it "isn't"...who is it?

Casually pissing on Simons leads me to think you'll have an unrealistic idea like Cole for Steph...or, just no ideas

There's a lot to consider...fit, cap ramifications, etc

Question is.do we want to make play ins regularly.or playoffs ?.We.will never win championship with players like Simons.
I prefer to remain patient than use assets on players who change nothing.

Tell me what kind of guy are you being patient for?

Simons is 180 degrees different from what we've put out there and, I believe, will be on a reasonable deal given his nearly unlimited shooting range and capable ball handling. Unless you're ready to move out one of our top 3...you may need to compromise a bit and find players that complement each other moreso than stand alone as "complete".

[Ducklett]

It's pretty easy to tell us who it "isn't"...who is it?

Casually pissing on Simons leads me to think you'll have an unrealistic idea like Cole for Steph...or, just no ideas

There's a lot to consider...fit, cap ramifications, etc

Question is.do we want to make play ins regularly.or playoffs ?.We.will never win championship with players like Simons.
I prefer to remain patient than use assets on players who change nothing.

Tell me what kind of guy are you being patient for?

Simons is 180 degrees different from what we've put out there and, I believe, will be on a reasonable deal given his nearly unlimited shooting range and capable ball handling. Unless you're ready to move out one of our top 3...you may need to compromise a bit and find players that complement each other moreso than stand alone as "complete".

I think everyone would be excited to have Simons on this roster. The problem is cost. Local radio dorks had local sports TV dork on and were talking that they heard rumblings the asking price from Portland was 2 future low/no protected firsts. I also would not pay that.

[Skybox]

Question is.do we want to make play ins regularly.or playoffs ?.We.will never win championship with players like Simons.
I prefer to remain patient than use assets on players who change nothing.

Tell me what kind of guy are you being patient for?

Simons is 180 degrees different from what we've put out there and, I believe, will be on a reasonable deal given his nearly unlimited shooting range and capable ball handling. Unless you're ready to move out one of our top 3...you may need to compromise a bit and find players that complement each other moreso than stand alone as "complete".

I think everyone would be excited to have Simons on this roster. The problem is cost. Local radio dorks had local sports TV dork on and were talking that they heard rumblings the asking price from Portland was 2 future low/no protected firsts. I also would not pay that.

I wouldn't either...but I don't think anybody will and they'll be stuck selling out at the TD or re-upping him with a dumb offer so he doesn't leave. On the other hand, this might be a good summer to play hardball with extensions as no one has cap space. I'm sure he'd like to have his next deal in hand in case of injury, slump, tornado, etc (even if it's a little more modest with his hometown team who has a clear role for him to shine )

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Question is.do we want to make play ins regularly.or playoffs ?.We.will never win championship with players like Simons.
I prefer to remain patient than use assets on players who change nothing.

Tell me what kind of guy are you being patient for?

Simons is 180 degrees different from what we've put out there and, I believe, will be on a reasonable deal given his nearly unlimited shooting range and capable ball handling. Unless you're ready to move out one of our top 3...you may need to compromise a bit and find players that complement each other moreso than stand alone as "complete".

I think everyone would be excited to have Simons on this roster. The problem is cost. Local radio dorks had local sports TV dork on and were talking that they heard rumblings the asking price from Portland was 2 future low/no protected firsts. I also would not pay that.

PRR basically said it would’ve cost us Cole/Gary a 1st and AB. FO isn’t ready to move AB, although that likely will change come summertime.

[Skybox]

Tyus Jones HAS to have a handshake deal with PHX to re-up. There's no way he signed for $2m for only one year without some assurance that he'll be rewarded for his sacrifice. Clearly, the PHX starting gig was an appealing basketball spot, but a 28yo who perennially leads the NBA in Assist/TO and also brings 40% 3pt shooting is worth much more than that. PHX is, however, in a tailspin and a leading blowup candidate this summer. I don't think he's a great starting PG, due to his stature and defensive limitations, but he epitomizes the two things that ORL lacks offensively...maybe an MLE or even less gets him here to regain his "best backup PG in the league" status?

Or, maybe a SnT for AB, who is a better fit next to Booker (who can initiate enough on his own, in addition to scoring)?

I still want that Lead Guard who can score and playmake a bit, but Tyus off the bench is next-level. KCP would either play off the bench too or maybe he's out. I would think vet contenders like MIL or DAL or LAL or LAC would still value KCP, despite his down year of shooting. Maybe even PHX, next to Book, for a more vet savvy defensive savage than AB, at present. I'd certainly prefer to keep AB and get off KCP's $22m. PHX can't consolidate, but maybe they'll make a big KD (or even Beal) move that gives them more room to make moves...maybe KCP & a pick gets us Grayson Allen and Tyus Jones (SnT) for a ferocious, balanced backcourt off the bench. There's also potential to deal with PHX by participating in a KD to a third team and coming away with some young talent from a win-now Western team like HOU, OKC, etc...

[Ducklett]

Tyus Jones HAS to have a handshake deal with PHX to re-up. There's no way he signed for $2m for only one year without some assurance that he'll be rewarded for his sacrifice. Clearly, the PHX starting gig was an appealing basketball spot, but a 28yo who perennially leads the NBA in Assist/TO and also brings 40% 3pt shooting is worth much more than that. PHX is, however, in a tailspin and a leading blowup candidate this summer. I don't think he's a great starting PG, due to his stature and defensive limitations, but he epitomizes the two things that ORL lacks offensively...maybe an MLE or even less gets him here to regain his "best backup PG in the league" status?

Or, maybe a SnT for AB, who is a better fit next to Booker (who can initiate enough on his own, in addition to scoring)?

I still want that Lead Guard who can score and playmake a bit, but Tyus off the bench is next-level. KCP would either play off the bench too or maybe he's out. I would think vet contenders like MIL or DAL or LAL or LAC would still value KCP, despite his down year of shooting. Maybe even PHX, next to Book, for a more vet savvy defensive savage than AB, at present. I'd certainly prefer to keep AB and get off KCP's $22m. PHX can't consolidate, but maybe they'll make a big KD (or even Beal) move that gives them more room to make moves...maybe KCP & a pick gets us Grayson Allen and Tyus Jones (SnT) for a ferocious, balanced backcourt off the bench. There's also potential to deal with PHX by participating in a KD to a third team and coming away with some young talent from a win-now Western team like HOU, OKC, etc...

Rare Skybox W. I think Tyus Jones would be great here!

[cedric76]

As long as Cole doesn't play more than 5 min per game I LL be happy with our moves

[pepe1991]

Most people don't get it. We don't have much valuable assets to sell but trading years in advance draft picks with slim protection.
We are luxury tax team next year.

Nuggets 2025 pick - 25-27th pick, very little value. Guaranteed contract in position in draft where finding rotation player is hard.
Magic pick- end of lottery ( probably) - some value, but not swing- type of value. More valuable to tanking teams than rest of a league.
Carter- negative asset.
Isaac- neutral asset, contract too long for player who can hardly play 12-15 mpg.
KCP - some value, but expensive especially after bad year. Neutral asset.
Cole - negative to neutral value/asset.
Goga- positive value.
Black & Jett- more valuable to Magic than any other team
Trisan- positive value but also more valuable to Magic than any other team


That's pretty much it. Aside from first round picks in advance, Suns pick swap ( that requires several things to happen in order to actually- happen) you don't have much to sell.


Any sort of actual upgrade for really good player (Vleet type guy) will require Magic adding draft picks in majority of trades.

And yet every time i go on reddit or here i watch people talk about Simons/ Trae / Lamelo etc. Boys, girls, we don't have money ( nor assets) for such trade without trading Suggs out.

[CarraT]

Most people don't get it. We don't have much valuable assets to sell but trading years in advance draft picks with slim protection.
We are luxury tax team next year.

Nuggets 2025 pick - 25-27th pick, very little value. Guaranteed contract in position in draft where finding rotation player is hard.
Magic pick- end of lottery ( probably) - some value, but not swing- type of value. More valuable to tanking teams than rest of a league.
Carter- negative asset.
Isaac- neutral asset, contract too long for player who can hardly play 12-15 mpg.
KCP - some value, but expensive especially after bad year. Neutral asset.
Cole - negative to neutral value/asset.
Goga- positive value.
Black & Jett- more valuable to Magic than any other team
Trisan- positive value but also more valuable to Magic than any other team


That's pretty much it. Aside from first round picks in advance, Suns pick swap ( that requires several things to happen in order to actually- happen) you don't have much to sell.


Any sort of actual upgrade for really good player (Vleet type guy) will require Magic adding draft picks in majority of trades.

And yet every time i go on reddit or here i watch people talk about Simons/ Trae / Lamelo etc. Boys, girls, we don't have money ( nor assets) for such trade without trading Suggs out.

We were in a fantastic situation 2 years ago. Weltman just **** it up super bad! Why does he still have a job?

[pepe1991]

Most people don't get it. We don't have much valuable assets to sell but trading years in advance draft picks with slim protection.
We are luxury tax team next year.

Nuggets 2025 pick - 25-27th pick, very little value. Guaranteed contract in position in draft where finding rotation player is hard.
Magic pick- end of lottery ( probably) - some value, but not swing- type of value. More valuable to tanking teams than rest of a league.
Carter- negative asset.
Isaac- neutral asset, contract too long for player who can hardly play 12-15 mpg.
KCP - some value, but expensive especially after bad year. Neutral asset.
Cole - negative to neutral value/asset.
Goga- positive value.
Black & Jett- more valuable to Magic than any other team
Trisan- positive value but also more valuable to Magic than any other team


That's pretty much it. Aside from first round picks in advance, Suns pick swap ( that requires several things to happen in order to actually- happen) you don't have much to sell.


Any sort of actual upgrade for really good player (Vleet type guy) will require Magic adding draft picks in majority of trades.

And yet every time i go on reddit or here i watch people talk about Simons/ Trae / Lamelo etc. Boys, girls, we don't have money ( nor assets) for such trade without trading Suggs out.

We were in a fantastic situation 2 years ago. Weltman just **** it up super bad! Why does he still have a job?

I have no clue. It's one thing when casual fans overvalue roster that their team has, it's whole another set of issues when PoBO does that, used all the salary cap to resign of current players and adds overpays for wrong player.
Like, Isaac and Carter are on contracts until the end of 2028-29 season

For example, today, on Magic's salary books there are only 4 players for 2027-28.
Franz- max money
Suggs - $30M
Carter & Isaac - $35M

Those 4 guys alone are worth $104 M

[drsd]

That's pretty much it. Aside from first round picks in advance, ....

You seem to always forget the Magic gets the worse of the Memphis/Boston 2RP this year!

By NBAdraft.net, that's Mr. 58. And a "Julian Reese" type player!!!
(( question: who? Julian Reese??? Is that a real person. really? ))

[MasterGMer]

Most people don't get it. We don't have much valuable assets to sell but trading years in advance draft picks with slim protection.
We are luxury tax team next year.

Nuggets 2025 pick - 25-27th pick, very little value. Guaranteed contract in position in draft where finding rotation player is hard.
Magic pick- end of lottery ( probably) - some value, but not swing- type of value. More valuable to tanking teams than rest of a league.
Carter- negative asset.
Isaac- neutral asset, contract too long for player who can hardly play 12-15 mpg.
KCP - some value, but expensive especially after bad year. Neutral asset.
Cole - negative to neutral value/asset.
Goga- positive value.
Black & Jett- more valuable to Magic than any other team
Trisan- positive value but also more valuable to Magic than any other team


That's pretty much it. Aside from first round picks in advance, Suns pick swap ( that requires several things to happen in order to actually- happen) you don't have much to sell.


Any sort of actual upgrade for really good player (Vleet type guy) will require Magic adding draft picks in majority of trades.

And yet every time i go on reddit or here i watch people talk about Simons/ Trae / Lamelo etc. Boys, girls, we don't have money ( nor assets) for such trade without trading Suggs out.

We were in a fantastic situation 2 years ago. Weltman just **** it up super bad! Why does he still have a job?

I have no clue. It's one thing when casual fans overvalue roster that their team has, it's whole another set of issues when PoBO does that, used all the salary cap to resign of current players and adds overpays for wrong player.
Like, Isaac and Carter are on contracts until the end of 2028-29 season

For example, today, on Magic's salary books there are only 4 players for 2027-28.
Franz- max money
Suggs - $30M
Carter & Isaac - $35M

Those 4 guys alone are worth $104 M

Paolo's super max doesn't kick in until after next season. But Magic's roster is about to be real expensive. Almost hitting second apron and luxury tax.

But I still hope we can make moves. It seems like this summer is a cross road for this team. We will all see what Weltman is going to do

[BadMofoPimp]

Just think. In 4 years, WCJ will be making $21 mil.

[zaymon]

Just think. In 4 years, WCJ will be making $21 mil.

Cap is.rising its not as bad as it sounds. Borderline starter money which he is. He is weak mentally but from the bench on veteran team he could be useful.
Suggs is more.controversial becouse of his injuries, but at least he is a winner.
Real problem will be Paolo if we resign him on max.

[Skybox]

Most people don't get it. We don't have much valuable assets to sell but trading years in advance draft picks with slim protection.
We are luxury tax team next year.

Nuggets 2025 pick - 25-27th pick, very little value. Guaranteed contract in position in draft where finding rotation player is hard.
Magic pick- end of lottery ( probably) - some value, but not swing- type of value. More valuable to tanking teams than rest of a league.
Carter- negative asset.
Isaac- neutral asset, contract too long for player who can hardly play 12-15 mpg.
KCP - some value, but expensive especially after bad year. Neutral asset.
Cole - negative to neutral value/asset.
Goga- positive value.
Black & Jett- more valuable to Magic than any other team
Trisan- positive value but also more valuable to Magic than any other team


That's pretty much it. Aside from first round picks in advance, Suns pick swap ( that requires several things to happen in order to actually- happen) you don't have much to sell.


Any sort of actual upgrade for really good player (Vleet type guy) will require Magic adding draft picks in majority of trades.

And yet every time i go on reddit or here i watch people talk about Simons/ Trae / Lamelo etc. Boys, girls, we don't have money ( nor assets) for such trade without trading Suggs out.

I agree about Trae or Ball, but Simons is expiring and likely to be paid less on an agreed to extension (same with CJ). Coby and Sexton are already in the right salary range (around 18-22, just like KCP )…nearly any BIG move will require Suggs going out…presuming Paolo & Franz are off limits.

[drsd]

Paolo's super max doesn't kick in until after next season.

Small correction, Banchero will only be eligible for 25% of the cap, not 30%. So "normal-max" is all he gets.