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Farm team rankings: Jays 27th 

Post#1 » by dagger » Fri Mar 7, 2025 4:32 pm

MLB Pipeline's ranking of all 30 teams' farm system

It's quite an indictment of this management.

https://www.mlb.com/milb/news/farm-system-rankings-2025-preseason?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage
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Post#2 » by bluerap23 » Fri Mar 7, 2025 5:40 pm

Yup, absolutely brutal and this in itself is grounds for dismissal. They came in and berated AA for the farm system. A decade later it is worse off.
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Re: Farm team rankings: Jays 27th 

Post#3 » by Harry Palmer » Fri Mar 7, 2025 11:58 pm

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Re: Farm team rankings: Jays 27th 

Post#4 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Mar 8, 2025 8:42 pm

This farm system is one of the actual many reasons the FO should be turfed, not because they correctly didn’t give Vlad hundreds of millions of dollars that he isn’t even close to deserving.
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Post#5 » by WuTang_OG » Mon Mar 10, 2025 11:48 pm

Pathetic. Should be fired for this. 10 years and they got nothing in pipeline
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Re: Farm team rankings: Jays 27th 

Post#6 » by JaysRule15 » Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:38 pm

In the early days of this administration, we heard a lot of renewing scouting focus overseas and Latin America, building facilities and expanding budgets to increase visibility there. And then the Player Development Complex that was supposed to give us an edge with prospect development and getting the most out of them. Really feels like none of these things have been accomplished.
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Re: Farm team rankings: Jays 27th 

Post#7 » by Cyrus » Wed Mar 12, 2025 3:23 am

Sounds like sustainable development pipeline to me, are we not excited by the mid-tier prospects we have. Probably put too much value ino analytics, and not enough on the eye test.

Curious if someone has the rankings from AA "Emptied the clip" of all the farm players where we were ranked, and each year since then, till now. If it was graph it still probably goes downwards like steep cliff.

The hilarious part in all this, with i dunno almost 10 years of drafts, international signings, probably what amounts to 500-600 picks/players , they would have somehow thru sheer dumb luck managed to find like borderline allstar/allstar, while I guess we had it one or two years with Moanoah, it's been pretty dry and bunch injuries since.
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Post#8 » by bluerap23 » Wed Mar 12, 2025 1:23 pm

Would love it if one of the reporters asked Ross "so currently your farm system was ranked 27th. What have you guys been doing with draft and player development for the last 10 years?"
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Post#9 » by Raps in 4 » Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:58 am

bluerap23 wrote:Yup, absolutely brutal and this in itself is grounds for dismissal. They came in and berated AA for the farm system. A decade later it is worse off.


With absolutely nothing to show for it. At least when AA went all-in, it got us back-to-back ALCS runs. These mother **** have yet to win a playoff game. And despite going all-in, AA still left Shatkins with a bunch of young talent (Vlad, Romano, Jano, and AA's scouts drafted Bichette before being fired).
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Re: Farm team rankings: Jays 27th 

Post#10 » by Mehar » Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:41 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:Yup, absolutely brutal and this in itself is grounds for dismissal. They came in and berated AA for the farm system. A decade later it is worse off.


With absolutely nothing to show for it. At least when AA went all-in, it got us back-to-back ALCS runs. These mother **** have yet to win a playoff game. And despite going all-in, AA still left Shatkins with a bunch of young talent (Vlad, Romano, Jano, and AA's scouts drafted Bichette before being fired).

I will never forget an interview this excellent Used Car Salesman Shapiro did with Bob McCown on the Fan 590 during Spring Training of 2016. Discussing AA's departure, he flat out criticized him for mortgaging the future and the poor state of the farm system that AA let him.

Shapiro mentioned in the interview, that during his tenure in Toronto he wanted to have a consistent upper tier farm system every year under his leadership that was on par with organizations like Tampa. A decade later, the farm system is a disgrace, this organization has Zero Playoff wins under his leadership, a bloated payroll with an aging roster, and its two top players free agents after the year.

While AA has gone to the playoffs every year in Atlanta, has a World Series ring, and has done so over the years with a significantly less payroll than Rogers has given Dumb and Dumber (Shapiro and Atkins). After this team misses the playoffs this year (which I expect they will), and potentially is looking at a rebuild (if they trade or lose both Bichette and Vlad in free agency)- hopefully this be the end of this disappointing tenure of this Used Car Salesman Shapiro and his Apprentice Atkins.
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Re: Farm team rankings: Jays 27th 

Post#11 » by C Court » Sun Mar 23, 2025 4:46 pm

The cornerstone of the Jays future was going to be an elite farm system. Shapiro repeated it over and over again.

After a decade of mediocrity, the Jays can proudly say “we’re #27!”
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Post#12 » by Boogie! » Sat Mar 29, 2025 1:13 am

Why swing that was way outside wtf
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Post#13 » by Boogie! » Sat Mar 29, 2025 1:16 am

I completely forgot we traded yimi he came back lol
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.

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