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[Big J]

If he doesn’t win MVP it’s due to racism plain and simple. How outrageous is it that he isn’t even the frontrunner?

Racism? Jokic is freaking white. Most people who vote on this award are white too. Jokic Stans are out of control bro.

I'm old enough to remember the Kendrick Perkins rant from 2 years ago that ultimately led to Embiid getting MVP over Jokic when he clearly didn't deserve it.

Embiid did deserve it that year. He destroyed Jokic in the head to head matchups, and like I said, a majority of MVP voters are white. Not everything you don’t like is because of racism.

[AleksandarN]

Racism? Jokic is freaking white. Most people who vote on this award are white too. Jokic Stans are out of control bro.

I'm old enough to remember the Kendrick Perkins rant from 2 years ago that ultimately led to Embiid getting MVP over Jokic when he clearly didn't deserve it.

Embiid did deserve it that year. He destroyed Jokic in the head to head matchups, and like I said, a majority of MVP voters are white. Not everything you don’t like is because of racism.

Embiid beat him in one game. Embiid then ducked out in the second in Denver. Embiid wasn’t hurt. Played the game before and the game after. Also mvp is not based on one game. Embiid had a mvp caliber season just not any close jokic that year.

[Nate505]

Racism? Jokic is freaking white. Most people who vote on this award are white too. Jokic Stans are out of control bro.

I'm old enough to remember the Kendrick Perkins rant from 2 years ago that ultimately led to Embiid getting MVP over Jokic when he clearly didn't deserve it.

Embiid did deserve it that year. He destroyed Jokic in the head to head matchups, and like I said, a majority of MVP voters are white. Not everything you don’t like is because of racism.

Matchups implies there was more than one. As usual Embiid pussed out when it came to playing in Denver.

[Big J]

I'm old enough to remember the Kendrick Perkins rant from 2 years ago that ultimately led to Embiid getting MVP over Jokic when he clearly didn't deserve it.

Embiid did deserve it that year. He destroyed Jokic in the head to head matchups, and like I said, a majority of MVP voters are white. Not everything you don’t like is because of racism.

Embiid beat him in one game. Embiid then ducked out in the second in Denver. Embiid wasn’t hurt. Played the game before and the game after. Also mvp is not based on one game. Embiid had a mvp caliber season just not any close jokic that year.

They were close to the same and Embiid destroyed him in the head 2 head matchup. The mostly white voters thought so too. It's not a conspiracy.

[nate33]

Embiid did deserve it that year. He destroyed Jokic in the head to head matchups, and like I said, a majority of MVP voters are white. Not everything you don’t like is because of racism.

Embiid beat him in one game. Embiid then ducked out in the second in Denver. Embiid wasn’t hurt. Played the game before and the game after. Also mvp is not based on one game. Embiid had a mvp caliber season just not any close jokic that year.

They were close to the same and Embiid destroyed him in the head 2 head matchup. The mostly white voters thought so too. It's not a conspiracy.

Jokic's advanced numbers absolutely obliterated Embiid, and he was doing it in a tougher conference. Jokic had the lead all year in various informal straw polls and opinion columnists. Then Perkins went on ESPN and told everyone they were racist for liking the white guy, so the voters caved and voted Embiid instead. Race clearly played a role.

And I'm not looking to blame everything on race. This year, I wouldn't be at all upset of SGA won. He has a very justifiable case for MVP given his almost-as-good individual numbers coupled with his team's success.

[Big J]

Embiid beat him in one game. Embiid then ducked out in the second in Denver. Embiid wasn’t hurt. Played the game before and the game after. Also mvp is not based on one game. Embiid had a mvp caliber season just not any close jokic that year.

They were close to the same and Embiid destroyed him in the head 2 head matchup. The mostly white voters thought so too. It's not a conspiracy.

Jokic's advanced numbers absolutely obliterated Embiid, and he was doing it in a tougher conference. Jokic had the lead all year in various informal straw polls and opinion columnists. Then Perkins went on ESPN and told everyone they were racist for liking the white guy, so the voters caved and voted Embiid instead. Race clearly played a role.

And I'm not looking to blame everything on race. This year, I wouldn't be at all upset of SGA won. He has a very justifiable case for MVP given his almost-as-good individual numbers coupled with his team's success.

Nah, race had nothing to do with it. Embiid started turning it on later in the year, and that's what flipped the race. Plus that was before Jokic had won a championship and no one wanted to give a guy 3 MVP's before he'd won a ring.

[Walton the GOAT]

The voters not wanting to make Jokic the first guy since Bird to win 3 MVPs in a row had a lot more to do with it than race or what a blowhard like Perkins says. People forget this because Jokic won a title that year, which ended the debate over whether he was an all time great.

That being said Jokic absolutely should have won that year

[Big J]

The voters not wanting to make Jokic the first guy since Bird to win 3 MVPs in a row had a lot more to do with it than race or what a blowhard like Perkins says. People forget this because Jokic won a title that year, which ended the debate over whether he was an all time great.

That being said Jokic absolutely should have won that year

Nah you can't win 3 MVPs in a row without a title in there. He won the next year so it made up for it.

[John Murdoch]

Westbrook ironically could prob get closest to that in his prime usage post KD Thunder

[JM00n69]

The voters not wanting to make Jokic the first guy since Bird to win 3 MVPs in a row had a lot more to do with it than race or what a blowhard like Perkins says. People forget this because Jokic won a title that year, which ended the debate over whether he was an all time great.

That being said Jokic absolutely should have won that year

All true. And he did win that year in the end. The ring and the FMVP.

[Tim Lehrbach]

The voters not wanting to make Jokic the first guy since Bird to win 3 MVPs in a row had a lot more to do with it than race or what a blowhard like Perkins says. People forget this because Jokic won a title that year, which ended the debate over whether he was an all time great.

That being said Jokic absolutely should have won that year

Nah you can't win 3 MVPs in a row without a title in there. He won the next year so it made up for it.

Why can't you win three regular season awards in a row without winning a postseason trophy?

[Big J]

The voters not wanting to make Jokic the first guy since Bird to win 3 MVPs in a row had a lot more to do with it than race or what a blowhard like Perkins says. People forget this because Jokic won a title that year, which ended the debate over whether he was an all time great.

That being said Jokic absolutely should have won that year

Nah you can't win 3 MVPs in a row without a title in there. He won the next year so it made up for it.

Why can't you win three regular season awards in a row without winning a postseason trophy?

Because MVP has a narrative component to it. Part of the narrative of winning MVP is that you will pay off the voters who chose you by winning a ring. Now that Jokic has done that it's okay for him to win more.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Nah you can't win 3 MVPs in a row without a title in there. He won the next year so it made up for it.

Why can't you win three regular season awards in a row without winning a postseason trophy?

Because MVP has a narrative component to it. Part of the narrative of winning MVP is that you will pay off the voters who chose you by winning a ring. Now that Jokic has done that it's okay for him to win more.

Yeah. I think you're right. Thanks for the reminder, too, that MVP is what it is, not what we might like it to be. It is awarded, basically, to the most compelling narrative of excellence in a given year. Voter fatigue and not "pay[ing] off the voters" are almost certainly taken into account by many voters and observers alike when they weigh the narratives of the season. And it is OK if MVP is not awarded to the best player, or the best player on the winningest team, every year.

Ultimately, most MVP votes are defensible, anyway, because "value" is left to the voter to define.

[HotRocks34]

What a week for Jokic.

[Up-And-Coming]

Great player. Historic game.

[SweaterBae]

This should be his 4th straight MVP and it's not even close.

[Sgt Major]

103-127.

Sounds like Fat Boy needs to worry about his 31-21-22 stats some more. Yay, stats.

Hello

[Manimal]

Imagine averaging 29/13/10 on 57/43/81 and people think you're not the MVP.

[RRFB]

The voters not wanting to make Jokic the first guy since Bird to win 3 MVPs in a row had a lot more to do with it than race or what a blowhard like Perkins says. People forget this because Jokic won a title that year, which ended the debate over whether he was an all time great.

That being said Jokic absolutely should have won that year

Nah you can't win 3 MVPs in a row without a title in there. He won the next year so it made up for it.

Hindsight has proven that to be bad logic though. Voters that year were so concerned with Jokic’s supposed lack of playoff success that they gave the award to a guy with even less. Two months later, Jokic had a title and a finals MVP. Two years later, Embiid still hasn’t even gotten out of the second round. It was a terrible argument then, it’s a terrible argument now, and the voters got it wrong.

[RB34]

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They were close to the same and Embiid destroyed him in the head 2 head matchup. The mostly white voters thought so too. It's not a conspiracy.

Jokic's advanced numbers absolutely obliterated Embiid, and he was doing it in a tougher conference. Jokic had the lead all year in various informal straw polls and opinion columnists. Then Perkins went on ESPN and told everyone they were racist for liking the white guy, so the voters caved and voted Embiid instead. Race clearly played a role.

And I'm not looking to blame everything on race. This year, I wouldn't be at all upset of SGA won. He has a very justifiable case for MVP given his almost-as-good individual numbers coupled with his team's success.

Nah, race had nothing to do with it. Embiid started turning it on later in the year, and that's what flipped the race. Plus that was before Jokic had won a championship and no one wanted to give a guy 3 MVP's before he'd won a ring.

So they gave it to the guy who has accomplished exactly zero in the playoffs. One of the worst playoff droppers of all time.