Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Horst Given Extension

[BigO]

I’m expecting us to bring Brook back on a horford like contract where the AAV is somewhere between 10-14, and then letting Bobby go after he opts out.

At that point, we’d have the full MLE available anyway.


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Another example of Buck's posters elevating opposing players and devaluing Buck's players.

Mark Williams is an efficient guy who can rebound. But he is not a rim protector and his scoring is within a few feet of the basket. Unless a guy is dominant, like Gobert, I want nothing to do with one dimensional centers.

This is a new era and veratility is much more important than prior eras. Now if you're talking about a guy like Myles Turner, then I'm interested. I'd even give up quite a bit for a Kel'el Ware, someone who has flexibility and a broader game.

Haven’t watched Williams a lot in the league but he shots 78% from the line and displayed a really solid jumper on long twos in college. Presumably, he could become league average at threes if he was allowed to shoot them. Or at the very least, he’s not limited to only dunks. He’s also only 23, was a rim protector in college, is seven feet tall, and seems to have the athleticism for full switch defense.

You can either take a chance on someone like that or hope Brook magically wants to take a discount and hope the wheels don’t completely fall off for Brook in his late 30s.

But if the improvement from adding younger guys like Kuz and KPJ won’t sway people that getting younger around Dame and Giannis is the way to go, I don’t know what will.

If Kuzma and KPJ have shown you they are difference makers, then we do have a different standard. This religious fervor about athleticism is clouding posters' judgment. I'll take better skills and bbiq for athleticism any day.

[rilamann]

As we talk about B2B,

When there was a lockout before George Karl's first season the season didn't start until February 5 and they played 50 games in 90 days. There were 2 sets of B2B2B. Ray played all 50 games, 34.1 minutes per game. Big Dog played 47 games. Ray played all 82 the year before, 40.1 minutes per game. Yeah I know the game is "different" now but that's still pretty impressive. I miss Ray.

Your post inspired me to go back and take a look at the Buck's 1999 schedule.

The Bucks had a stretch in March of 1999 were they played 6 games in 9 nights.

You probably remember this, but in that 9 game stretch the Bucks played 3 games in 3 nights. On March 8th they played the Bulls in Milwaukee, had to get on a plane and play the Knicks on March 9th, then hop back on a plane to Milwaukee to play the Sonics on March 10th.

The Bucks went 6-0 in that 6 games in 9 nights stretch.

Impressive indeed. And it's still gut punch when I think back about how we traded prime Ray for a soon-to-be free agent, washed up Gary Payton. I know you and anyone who followed the Bucks back in those days (most of us here) knows and remembers, but Ray was like Giannis in that he was loyal to the Bucks and the city of Milwaukee. Ray wanted to be here. That made the trade 100X worse.

[BigO]

Another example of Buck's posters elevating opposing players and devaluing Buck's players.

Mark Williams is an efficient guy who can rebound. But he is not a rim protector and his scoring is within a few feet of the basket. Unless a guy is dominant, like Gobert, I want nothing to do with one dimensional centers.

This is a new era and veratility is much more important than prior eras. Now if you're talking about a guy like Myles Turner, then I'm interested. I'd even give up quite a bit for a Kel'el Ware, someone who has flexibility and a broader game.

Haven’t watched Williams a lot in the league but he shots 78% from the line and displayed a really solid jumper on long twos in college. Presumably, he could become league average at threes if he was allowed to shoot them. Or at the very least, he’s not limited to only dunks. He’s also only 23, was a rim protector in college, is seven feet tall, and seems to have the athleticism for full switch defense.

You can either take a chance on someone like that or hope Brook magically wants to take a discount and hope the wheels don’t completely fall off for Brook in his late 30s.

But if the improvement from adding younger guys like Kuz and KPJ won’t sway people that getting younger around Dame and Giannis is the way to go, I don’t know what will.

If Kuzma and KPJ have shown you they are difference makers, then we do have a different standard. This religious fervor about athleticism is clouding posters' judgment. I'll trade better skills and bbiq for athleticism any day.

[fansinceforever]

I wonder what the plan is if this team flames out in round 1 or gets smacked around in round 2.

At that point, you can't keep deluding yourself that the bricks and sticks of a championship team are pretty much in place...

[Ron Swanson]

We're 24th in 3PT attempts in the last 10-games. It's awfully hard to field a good offense in the year 2025 when you're playing Stone Age basketball. If Doc is still here after a 1st or 2nd round exit, then nothing else really matters. Him and Horst need to be the first ones out the door.

[raysbookclub]

As we talk about B2B,

When there was a lockout before George Karl's first season the season didn't start until February 5 and they played 50 games in 90 days. There were 2 sets of B2B2B. Ray played all 50 games, 34.1 minutes per game. Big Dog played 47 games. Ray played all 82 the year before, 40.1 minutes per game. Yeah I know the game is "different" now but that's still pretty impressive. I miss Ray.

That was a great season. Less money for the league, but better basketball.

Iirc, that was also the first year with Tim Thomas and Sam Cassell.

[BigO]

We're 24th in 3PT attempts in the last 10-games. It's awfully hard to field a good offense in the year 2025 when you're playing Stone Age basketball. If Doc is still here after a 1st or 2nd round exit, then nothing else really matters. Him and Horst need to be the first ones out the door.

What a silly metric to use in order to blame the coach. I'd like for more three pointers too, but when Trent is out for several games, BP is out, Green has been highly inefficient, Kuzma can't shoot threes, who are you asking to shoot more threes?

And then if they did, posters would blame the coach for having his players hoist too many threes.

This is a very flawed roster with 2 stars. That's the entire analysis anyone needs to know.

[Ron Swanson]

The difference in coaching and offensive scheme couldn't have been any more stark than last game where Cleveland was effortlessly getting open looks from 3 off of simple ball movement and dribble penetration. We have two of the greatest ever in the latter skill with Dame and Giannis, and yet the offense continues to look stuck in mud as we only get up 31 shots from distance off of their gravity. It's pathetic and I'm convinced anyone defending Doc knows as much about modern NBA offense as he does.

[drew881]

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If you have prime Giannis playing at an MVP level. You should never be THAT bad in any category.

It's nauseating that the Bucks on paper are an absolute match-up nightmare for Boston, especially after the trades we made at the deadline.

But it all probably won't matter because the Bucks are coached by Doc Rivers.

Probably won’t matter, because there is another team like 45 games over .500 that just smacked us and deserves to be talked about.

[emunney]

You'd have to consider it a major upset for anybody other than Cleveland or Boston to come out of the East at this point. Cleveland looks pretty mature and has a lot of guys with deep playoff runs under their belt. Shouldn't be discounted just because they as a group haven't done it yet.

[BigO]

It's a flawed roster that inexplicably posters thought was fixed by the addition of Kuzma, KPJ and Sims.

I can't figure how they get out of this roster mess. Trading another first is just repeating other bad moves.

[ShootingtheJ]

It's a flawed roster that inexplicably posters thought was fixed by the addition of Kuzma, KPJ and Sims.

I can't figure how they get out of this roster mess. Trading another first is just repeating other bad moves.

Move Dame for a 2 way player.

[soxperry]

It's a flawed roster that inexplicably posters thought was fixed by the addition of Kuzma, KPJ and Sims.

I can't figure how they get out of this roster mess. Trading another first is just repeating other bad moves.

Move Dame for a 2 way player.

Lol

[emunney]

It's a flawed roster that inexplicably posters thought was fixed by the addition of Kuzma, KPJ and Sims.

I can't figure how they get out of this roster mess. Trading another first is just repeating other bad moves.

Move Dame for a 2 way player.

"Paul George to OKC" is what I keep thinking about. No idea what the Dame-based analog is.

[StickeeFingaz]

Reports that Junior Bridgeman may have passed away from a heart attack.

[MickeyDavis]

Reports that Junior Bridgeman may have passed away from a heart attack.

He was at a Louisville fundraiser, said he thought he was having a heart attack and was taken to the hospital. Waiting for an update. Prayers to you Junior.

[slos]

This team doesn’t have as many holes as people think to win it all. Just keep putting the right pieces next to Dame/Giannis core.

Dame
???
Kuzma
Giannis
???
………….
Porter
Trent
Portis
…………..
Prince
Brook
…………..
Green
Rollins
Jackson

Horst needs to finish the job this summer after trading for Kuzma and get the Prince and Brook (both will be welcomed as min depth pieces) replacements for the starting lineup.

Looking at free agency I can’t see a more fitting player than NAW. Top class D you absolutely need next to Dame. Fits in offence too since he can have exact the same role with Prince taking 6-7 shots per game hitting 40% of his 3s. Financially I can see Minny matching the most we can offer (full MLE, 4y/60mil), but still they won’t have a starting job to offer.

Then you need to somehow flip Pat for a starting C using some draft capital. I can’t trust Timelord’s health. I don’t like only offence Mark Williams as a target. Kessler fits better as a younger Brook without the 3s. Ainge might not like his next contract and decide to trade him. We already know he values high 2031 picks.

1. Giannis….. 54,1
2. Lillard……. 54,1
3. Kuzma……. 22,4 (+3 mil incentives)
4. NAW……….. 14,1 (MLE)
5. Portis………. 13,4 (opt in and extend)
6. Trent……….. 5,1 (BAE)
7. Kessler…….. 4,9
8. Porter………. 2,5 (opt in)
9. Green………. 2,3
10. Brook….….. 2,3 (vet min)
11. Prince..….. 2,3 (vet min)
12. Jackson.…. 2,2
13. Livingston.. 2,2
14. Rollins.……. 2,2
15. Smith………. 1,9
- total……………. 186,242
- tax………………. 187,895

You can even avoid the tax for a season, which would be crucial moving forward since Kessler probably goes to 20ish money in 2026, KPJ and GTJ both go to 10ish money with Early Bird rights.

[VooDoo7]

Sounds like he had a heart attack while at a speaking event in Louisville.

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[wallus]

RIP Junior

[brewbucks]

RIP