2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8

[wadenation305]

Honestly, start Terry and play him every minute of every game until his legs fall off. Play Bam and Herro 20-25 minutes a game. Sit Bam until the 2 minute mark left in the game. Pull no stops. Heck play exclusively 3 guard lineups with the guards guard8n centers and PFs. Piss off teams that thought were going to get a better pick and steal the player from them before they can even pick them. How funny would it be if we somehow luck into the top pick for once?

[wadenation305]

The band-aid is ripped off. We should really take this opportunity to do a proper rebuild. Tear everything down.

I love Bam, wish he could be on this team for life. But he's wasting his career here at this point and he's our most valuable player by a mile. I really like him in OKC. We can swap Bam with hart cleanly, and they have a ton of picks that they don't even know what to do with. Besides our picks. If we can get all our picks back from them plus (our '25 pick would already be a picked player) plus additional picks like the 76ers from them. Talking about 5-6 picks total.

For Herro it's a lot harder. He has value, but he plays at a position where almost every team has one already. I spent hours tinkering with a trade machine trying to find a trade that made sense for both teams but didn't really find one. Might just keep him as our big contract for cap floor purposes to be traded at a later time should something advantageous presents itself.

If we can get 2 2nd's for Terry as cap relief at the deadline ship him out. Wiggins also should have at least a 1st round pick or two value. Play Ware, Jovic, Jaquez, Larson as many minutes as possible, really see what you have in those guys.

The one thing that is for certain is that Giannis, Donic, Jokic, SGA, Tatum/Brown, those types of guys..... they aren't walking through the Heat's training facility doors anytime soon. Even if they wanted to come here. We couldn't be in the conversation. That's just reality. Our best chance is to find the next SGA, not acquiring him via trade.

Orlando would probably pay for Herro, Suggs/Herro back court is solid for the forseable future.
Ask for Black + some pick package like 2 FRPs depending on quality, maybe see what else you can get.

Wouldn't mind that, considering he's about to ask for an extension.
I rather not gamble on his potential and rather get value, I think he can be a perennial all star level player for the next 5 years, but unfortunately that is just not enough.

On the fanspo trade machine they had Suggs listed as an SG so I figured they wouldn't really value Herro like that as he is not a PG. But I see Suggs is a PG, I'm not too familiar with Orlando's players. But heck if he gets us two decent picks and matching salary that is either young or on a good contract sign my up.

I doubt Herro gets a full max contract in the open market. He plays in a very crowded position and the realities of the cba are going to course correct FOs handing out insane money to tier 2 stars. Not even the magic would pay Herro 50 mil per. At least I don't see it.

The sad thing is..... I can totally see Riley giving Herro 50 mil when no one else would. And that is truly scary. He goes from good value to albatross.

[3ballbomber]

In for tank, in for experience for young guys— down for it all

That’s the spirit. The rope is free.

[wadenation305]

The band-aid is ripped off. We should really take this opportunity to do a proper rebuild. Tear everything down.

I love Bam, wish he could be on this team for life. But he's wasting his career here at this point and he's our most valuable player by a mile. I really like him in OKC. We can swap Bam with hart cleanly, and they have a ton of picks that they don't even know what to do with. Besides our picks. If we can get all our picks back from them plus (our '25 pick would already be a picked player) plus additional picks like the 76ers from them. Talking about 5-6 picks total.

For Herro it's a lot harder. He has value, but he plays at a position where almost every team has one already. I spent hours tinkering with a trade machine trying to find a trade that made sense for both teams but didn't really find one. Might just keep him as our big contract for cap floor purposes to be traded at a later time should something advantageous presents itself.

If we can get 2 2nd's for Terry as cap relief at the deadline ship him out. Wiggins also should have at least a 1st round pick or two value. Play Ware, Jovic, Jaquez, Larson as many minutes as possible, really see what you have in those guys.

The one thing that is for certain is that Giannis, Donic, Jokic, SGA, Tatum/Brown, those types of guys..... they aren't walking through the Heat's training facility doors anytime soon. Even if they wanted to come here. We couldn't be in the conversation. That's just reality. Our best chance is to find the next SGA, not acquiring him via trade.

Yeah I think it's time to clean house. Actually we should even try and trade Spo and leverage his over inflated reputation around the league for a 1st or 2 as well . Before he moves into Riley's seat and makes us the smallest team in NBA history for the next few decades straight. And get a coach in here that is actually open to playing the young guys big minutes and in their proper positions.

I pray to God and everything that is good and Holy that the next person up is Andy or Mourning and not Spo. Every pick would be some dude that has questionable offense but exerts MAXIMUM effort and no other appearant nba skill. Team would have no true point guard (because one is not needed when you do it by committee and exert MAXIMUM effort) and no one is bigger than 6'5 because they need to be switchable.

[VaDe255]

The band-aid is ripped off. We should really take this opportunity to do a proper rebuild. Tear everything down.

I love Bam, wish he could be on this team for life. But he's wasting his career here at this point and he's our most valuable player by a mile. I really like him in OKC. We can swap Bam with hart cleanly, and they have a ton of picks that they don't even know what to do with. Besides our picks. If we can get all our picks back from them plus (our '25 pick would already be a picked player) plus additional picks like the 76ers from them. Talking about 5-6 picks total.

For Herro it's a lot harder. He has value, but he plays at a position where almost every team has one already. I spent hours tinkering with a trade machine trying to find a trade that made sense for both teams but didn't really find one. Might just keep him as our big contract for cap floor purposes to be traded at a later time should something advantageous presents itself.

If we can get 2 2nd's for Terry as cap relief at the deadline ship him out. Wiggins also should have at least a 1st round pick or two value. Play Ware, Jovic, Jaquez, Larson as many minutes as possible, really see what you have in those guys.

The one thing that is for certain is that Giannis, Donic, Jokic, SGA, Tatum/Brown, those types of guys..... they aren't walking through the Heat's training facility doors anytime soon. Even if they wanted to come here. We couldn't be in the conversation. That's just reality. Our best chance is to find the next SGA, not acquiring him via trade.

Orlando would probably pay for Herro, Suggs/Herro back court is solid for the forseable future.
Ask for Black + some pick package like 2 FRPs depending on quality, maybe see what else you can get.

Wouldn't mind that, considering he's about to ask for an extension.
I rather not gamble on his potential and rather get value, I think he can be a perennial all star level player for the next 5 years, but unfortunately that is just not enough.

On the fanspo trade machine they had Suggs listed as an SG so I figured they wouldn't really value Herro like that as he is not a PG. But I see Suggs is a PG, I'm not too familiar with Orlando's players. But heck if he gets us two decent picks and matching salary that is either young or on a good contract sign my up.

I doubt Herro gets a full max contract in the open market. He plays in a very crowded position and the realities of the cba are going to course correct FOs handing out insane money to tier 2 stars. Not even the magic would pay Herro 50 mil per. At least I don't see it.

The sad thing is..... I can totally see Riley giving Herro 50 mil when no one else would. And that is truly scary. He goes from good value to albatross.

Herro deserves more credit from Heat fans, he’s made real strides as a playmaker and has performed at a top-15 guard level this season. His scoring efficiency and ability to generate offense are undeniable. However, his lack of physicality and elite defense limits his overall impact, making it hard to see him as a true franchise player. He’ll likely always be a tier below the stars who can carry a team.

That said, in today’s NBA, positions are fluid; it’s about skill complement, not rigid roles. A Suggs-Herro backcourt should work since Suggs provides defense and playmaking, while Herro brings playmaking and elite shot creation. The question isn’t about position overlap, but rather how their games mesh on both ends.

Right now, Herro’s contract is solid value, but if he pushes for a max or near-max deal, that’s where it gets tricky. In the new CBA you can't overpay players and you need value contracts. The fear is that our FO might, out of loyalty or desperation or they drink their own kool aid. Turning Herro's contract into an albatross would llimit their own flexxibility, I rather move him before doing that.

[eddieheatfan]

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[Tim_Hardawayy]

I'm down for tanking at this point, but its not like we can't still do it at least a little subtly and get by with it, this team is mediocre enough that we don't have to blatantly sit guys or make it obvious (not to mention modern NBA you can get away with some degree of sitting guys for "rest" anyways).

Still think there is hope for Bam, and he's a culture guy, I'm not on board with a blow-up where he goes especially since his attitude has never been the type of guy to give up on a team during down times or demand special privileges. Tyler is the bigger question mark, his extension is coming and right now I don't think he's a 50 mil + a year player, or if he is, its borderline enough that he may not even be considered positive value. The fact he's rehabilitated his image enough currently to be considered positive value this season is a pretty big win, and one we may be pressured to cash in on sooner than later.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We should change the gamethreads now that majority have embraced the tank, if you win you pass op to someone else, if you lose you keep it going

[DayofMourning]

If we can keep up our current level of 2nd half play, we could push for the 5th slot pre lotto. I have faith.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If we can keep up our current level of 2nd half play, we could push for the 5th slot pre lotto. I have faith.

The trend definitely lends to this team being mentally shot. A tank means losing on purpose. We are not losing on purpose. We are losing because this team can’t hold the weight of the issues this FO has put on this current group. Bam and Herro ain’t going anywhere but those two need an alpha or just some more level headed vets around them. As some have mentioned a vet PG who can lead is desperately needed.

[jbsays]

MAgic are locked in to Suggs and Franz long term. They're cap is low because Banchero is still on his rookie deal. They're going to have to pay him. Next year their projected cap amount is like $600K less than the Heat. And that's with Paolo and Black still on their rookie deals.

Anthony Black is a really nice complimentary player. Something like KCP/Black or Isaac/Black for Herro or Isaac/Black for Herro would work under cap. Except....

Black is on his rookie deal for next 3 years. Magic will need cheap help next to their "big 3". Similar to how I think Heat should keep Ware because he is a legit rotation player on rookie deal even if neither guy is an allstar.

Isaac is always hurt. Nice player when available, but that's rare.

KCP is making $21 mil next two seasons when he will be 32 and 33. He'd essentially take the place of the $20+ million everyone complains about being paid to Rozier and Robinson.

Magic are paying Suggs an average of $30 million next 5 years. He's a great defender, but offensively not as good. He is only 23 though and plays hard so he can potentially improve. But Herro is averaging less money per year next two seasons and, IMO, is a better third wheel.

[jbsays]

Man Cooper Flagg would be nice, but it's a pipe dream. He probably has to play PF, but at that point you could move Ware to the bench or use him as trade bait with a bigger contract (Wiggins, Rozier, Robinson). Heat still need to get more bigs at that point though. This year they've only got Bam, Ware, and Love. Bam, Flagg, and Ware would be solid.

Mock draft I saw currently has Heat picking Jeremiah Fears. I've seen him some and he could potentially be a good NBA PG. He has great size and athleticism. But, if he's the only addition I don't see him being a needle mover and Heat's pick next year that is unprotected will likely go to OKC. I think it would be similar to this year as lower end of lottery.

[jbsays]

Who you guys got winning the Finals?

I'm locked in to OKC. As long as they are healthy, I think they will win any 7 game series. They can afford for SGA to have an off game and still win.

[Ruma85]

Just curious will Jovic be back this season, have you guys heard anything regarding him coming back, especially if the Heat make the playoffs, cheers.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Just curious will Jovic be back this season, have you guys heard anything regarding him coming back, especially if the Heat make the playoffs, cheers.

Should be back hopefully some time around the end of March or first week in April.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Lauri Markkannen makes a whole lot of sense here. Love the possibilities next to Bam and rounds out the front court with Ware and Jovic coming off the bench. Will look deeper into this possibility to see viability but i have to imagine Lauri fits the Bam and Herro core timeline. Also gets Utah off the contract. The trade pieces for Lauri are way too much in this proposed deal but the idea of Lauri for a much better price makes more sense then Durant.

[al bondiga]

Can somebody please explain to me
what tanking really is???

Maybe I'm wrong but I think it's Almost impossible for it to work out.

It is like one of those dumb, conspiracy theories, EVERYBODY Has to be in or on it

Its like socialism, communism or marcism... Everything has to go your way And even then it depends on luck

[MettaWorldPanda]

Researching Lauri and the chances of Utah wanting to deal him and I would have to say this is probably one of the better bets for us this offseason. Bam and Lauri is as good as a matching front court as it gets. If by any chance we can also get Sexton in this deal that would be the offseason realistic homerun that would round the starting 5 into shape. Lauri will be 27 and is already locked into a long term deal. We have the expiring matching contracts, young attachemtments, and future 1st rd picks that are more valuable to the Jazz in 2030 and 2032 to really get something done here.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Can somebody please explain to me
what tanking really is???

Maybe I'm wrong but I think it's Almost impossible for it to work out.

It is like one of those dumb, conspiracy theories, EVERYBODY Has to be in or on it

Its like socialism, communism or marcism... Everything has to go your way And even then it depends on luck

The word tank is a coping mechanism for how chitty this group of players are playing but not believing that the current roster is this bad so Spo is of course tanking the 4th quarter by playing odd ball lineups and of course the players in the 4th are bricking these easy shots cause there in on the tank lol. We are losing games because this team is shot mentally and can't get over the hump. Not because they are tanking. This team does not have enough talent to overcome the overall roster shortcomings. Bam and Herro have just not been enough and it's not there fault. The overall roster is littered with players with too many warts.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Researching Lauri and the chances of Utah wanting to deal him and I would have to say this is probably one of the better bets for us this offseason. Bam and Lauri is as good as a matching front court as it gets. If by any chance we can also get Sexton in this deal that would be the offseason realistic homerun that would round the starting 5 into shape. Lauri will be 27 and is already locked into a long term deal. We have the expiring matching contracts, young attachemtments, and future 1st rd picks that are more valuable to the Jazz in 2030 and 2032 to really get something done here.

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