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Re: Bulls vs Pacers 7pm CT Mar. 10 2025 

Post#121 » by Chi town » Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:01 pm

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Muzbar wrote:Why would that end any talk of making the playoffs and picking 15th? The Bulls are still making the play-in regardless and there's plenty of time for Giddey to come back.


I think the Bulls will get up to the 7th seed if Giddey stays healthy.


Giddey left in a walking boot, so there's no "staying" healthy at this point. The question is how long he's out.


Often a walking boot is just for safety.

Either way we win.

He plays he keeps breaking out.

He sits we save in his contract and get a better pick.
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Re: Bulls vs Pacers 7pm CT Mar. 10 2025 

Post#122 » by jnrjr79 » Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:11 pm

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I think the Bulls will get up to the 7th seed if Giddey stays healthy.


Giddey left in a walking boot, so there's no "staying" healthy at this point. The question is how long he's out.


Often a walking boot is just for safety.

Either way we win.

He plays he keeps breaking out.

He sits we save in his contract and get a better pick.


I happened to be in the stands last night and got a pretty good view of him leaving the court. I'll be shocked if he does not miss time.
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Re: Bulls vs Pacers 7pm CT Mar. 10 2025 

Post#123 » by Chi town » Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:20 pm

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Chi town wrote:
jnrjr79 wrote:
Giddey left in a walking boot, so there's no "staying" healthy at this point. The question is how long he's out.


Often a walking boot is just for safety.

Either way we win.

He plays he keeps breaking out.

He sits we save in his contract and get a better pick.


I happened to be in the stands last night and got a pretty good view of him leaving the court. I'll be shocked if he does not miss time.


I’m sure he will miss time. He did the same thing in TOR when he turned his ankle… acted like he died and rolled around. He was back a week later.

Bulls will be extra careful for the tank. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t miss at least 7 games 2 weeks.
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Re: Bulls vs Pacers 7pm CT Mar. 10 2025 

Post#124 » by Stratmaster » Tue Mar 11, 2025 4:22 pm

Chi town wrote:
jnrjr79 wrote:
Chi town wrote:
Often a walking boot is just for safety.

Either way we win.

He plays he keeps breaking out.

He sits we save in his contract and get a better pick.


I happened to be in the stands last night and got a pretty good view of him leaving the court. I'll be shocked if he does not miss time.


I’m sure he will miss time. He did the same thing in TOR when he turned his ankle… acted like he died and rolled around. He was back a week later.

Bulls will be extra careful for the tank. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t miss at least 7 games 2 weeks.


Chi, I hate to break it to you, but there is no tanking left. Sorry my friend. The Bulls have played poorly until the last 3 games and still didn't move from the 10 seed. Now they have won 3 in a row and are 4.5 games ahead of (or behind, depending on perspective) the 2 teams below them in the standings. Both those teams are 2-8 in their last 10. The thing to be worried about is them moving up in the standings one or 2 spots.

Which kind of goes back to my Billy Donovan whining; had the Bulls had a good coach and played the right players, in the right rotations, they could have easily been a 7 seed. And since no one expected the Pistons to break out like they have earlier in the season a reasonable expectation for this team would have been the 6 seed. Oh well....
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Re: Bulls vs Pacers 7pm CT Mar. 10 2025 

Post#125 » by Am2626 » Tue Mar 11, 2025 4:52 pm

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Muzbar wrote:Eh, it doesn't matter about the teams below us in the lottery, the Bulls aren't moving lower than 8th. However, the teams above the Bulls are what you should watch, the Bulls already have more wins than San Antonio and aren't too far behind Portland either.


Yep. The Spurs lost today, so the Bulls went from the 8th pick to the 9th.

You can add the Heat on this list because they have 29 wins. Bulls could pass them too (but hopefully not).

It's crazy that the Bulls front office don't see the value in getting a high draft pick.


It’s crazy you don’t see the value in a 23 year old playing like a legit star. I’ll take Giddey’s rise now over a CHANCE at a higher pick.


Why can’t you get both? Giddey is coming back next year and now that he is injured he can take his time to come back. He has an offseason, training camp and next year to continue on in his development. The Bulls need both him and whatever this draft pick becomes. While moving in front of 8 may not seem likely now there is a risk that the pick goes down to 11 which isn’t a good thing. I don’t see much value in getting to the playoffs this year and getting swept in the first round. They can try to make the playoffs next year.
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Re: Bulls vs Pacers 7pm CT Mar. 10 2025 

Post#126 » by Chi town » Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:58 pm

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Chi town wrote:
jnrjr79 wrote:
I happened to be in the stands last night and got a pretty good view of him leaving the court. I'll be shocked if he does not miss time.


I’m sure he will miss time. He did the same thing in TOR when he turned his ankle… acted like he died and rolled around. He was back a week later.

Bulls will be extra careful for the tank. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t miss at least 7 games 2 weeks.


Chi, I hate to break it to you, but there is no tanking left. Sorry my friend. The Bulls have played poorly until the last 3 games and still didn't move from the 10 seed. Now they have won 3 in a row and are 4.5 games ahead of (or behind, depending on perspective) the 2 teams below them in the standings. Both those teams are 2-8 in their last 10. The thing to be worried about is them moving up in the standings one or 2 spots.

Which kind of goes back to my Billy Donovan whining; had the Bulls had a good coach and played the right players, in the right rotations, they could have easily been a 7 seed. And since no one expected the Pistons to break out like they have earlier in the season a reasonable expectation for this team would have been the 6 seed. Oh well....


What if Giddey is good to go and doesn’t miss time?
(Just posted IG Clip of him walking g without boot fine without a limp from 3hrs ago)

You think Bulls can get to 7th seed and win play in? 8th seed?

Would you consider one win against the Celts or Cavs better than a 8 - 10 pick?

If Giddey shows out in the playoffs he’s getting paid big money. If he shrinks he’s losing big money.
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Re: Bulls vs Pacers 7pm CT Mar. 10 2025 

Post#127 » by Am2626 » Wed Mar 12, 2025 5:03 pm

Chi town wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
Chi town wrote:
I’m sure he will miss time. He did the same thing in TOR when he turned his ankle… acted like he died and rolled around. He was back a week later.

Bulls will be extra careful for the tank. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t miss at least 7 games 2 weeks.


Chi, I hate to break it to you, but there is no tanking left. Sorry my friend. The Bulls have played poorly until the last 3 games and still didn't move from the 10 seed. Now they have won 3 in a row and are 4.5 games ahead of (or behind, depending on perspective) the 2 teams below them in the standings. Both those teams are 2-8 in their last 10. The thing to be worried about is them moving up in the standings one or 2 spots.

Which kind of goes back to my Billy Donovan whining; had the Bulls had a good coach and played the right players, in the right rotations, they could have easily been a 7 seed. And since no one expected the Pistons to break out like they have earlier in the season a reasonable expectation for this team would have been the 6 seed. Oh well....


What if Giddey is good to go and doesn’t miss time?
(Just posted IG Clip of him walking g without boot fine without a limp from 3hrs ago)

You think Bulls can get to 7th seed and win play in? 8th seed?

Would you consider one win against the Celts or Cavs better than a 8 - 10 pick?

If Giddey shows out in the playoffs he’s getting paid big money. If he shrinks he’s losing big money.


No. This is a very incomplete roster that needs talent. A high draft pick has to be a top priority. You have to ask how many guys on this team would be a part of a championship caliber team when the Bulls next compete for a championship. I don’t think the best player in that scenario is even on this team. Right now the draft is the best way to get that player. Also finishing 8 gives the Bulls a chance at a top 4 pick which would not be possible if the Bulls somehow make the playoffs and then get embarrassed in the first round.
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Re: Bulls vs Pacers 7pm CT Mar. 10 2025 

Post#128 » by sco » Wed Mar 12, 2025 5:19 pm

Am2626 wrote:
Chi town wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
Chi, I hate to break it to you, but there is no tanking left. Sorry my friend. The Bulls have played poorly until the last 3 games and still didn't move from the 10 seed. Now they have won 3 in a row and are 4.5 games ahead of (or behind, depending on perspective) the 2 teams below them in the standings. Both those teams are 2-8 in their last 10. The thing to be worried about is them moving up in the standings one or 2 spots.

Which kind of goes back to my Billy Donovan whining; had the Bulls had a good coach and played the right players, in the right rotations, they could have easily been a 7 seed. And since no one expected the Pistons to break out like they have earlier in the season a reasonable expectation for this team would have been the 6 seed. Oh well....


What if Giddey is good to go and doesn’t miss time?
(Just posted IG Clip of him walking g without boot fine without a limp from 3hrs ago)

You think Bulls can get to 7th seed and win play in? 8th seed?

Would you consider one win against the Celts or Cavs better than a 8 - 10 pick?

If Giddey shows out in the playoffs he’s getting paid big money. If he shrinks he’s losing big money.


No. This is a very incomplete roster that needs talent. A high draft pick has to be a top priority. You have to ask how many guys on this team would be a part of a championship caliber team when the Bulls next compete for a championship. I don’t think the best player in that scenario is even on this team. Right now the draft is the best way to get that player. Also finishing 8 gives the Bulls a chance at a top 4 pick which would not be possible if the Bulls somehow make the playoffs and then get embarrassed in the first round.

I agree with your notion that the best way to get your #1 option is through the draft; however, IMO AK doesn't view tanking as a viable way to rebuild (probably because he knows his job won't survive it). That said, expecting to nab that legit #1 option in year 1 of a tank isn't the way it usually happens. Legit #1 options are rare, the more likely scenario is that you end up with 4 or 5 top 5 picks after time, and because you have so many of them, they aren't playing with a core of vets and learning how to play right. They are often given entitlement minutes that, IMO, stunt their own drive to develop. Then when you find your #1, your team is stuck in a losing culture, often churning coaches and systems. Again, I agree with you, but the counter-argument isn't terrible.
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Re: Bulls vs Pacers 7pm CT Mar. 10 2025 

Post#129 » by Am2626 » Wed Mar 12, 2025 5:34 pm

sco wrote:
Am2626 wrote:
Chi town wrote:
What if Giddey is good to go and doesn’t miss time?
(Just posted IG Clip of him walking g without boot fine without a limp from 3hrs ago)

You think Bulls can get to 7th seed and win play in? 8th seed?

Would you consider one win against the Celts or Cavs better than a 8 - 10 pick?

If Giddey shows out in the playoffs he’s getting paid big money. If he shrinks he’s losing big money.


No. This is a very incomplete roster that needs talent. A high draft pick has to be a top priority. You have to ask how many guys on this team would be a part of a championship caliber team when the Bulls next compete for a championship. I don’t think the best player in that scenario is even on this team. Right now the draft is the best way to get that player. Also finishing 8 gives the Bulls a chance at a top 4 pick which would not be possible if the Bulls somehow make the playoffs and then get embarrassed in the first round.

I agree with your notion that the best way to get your #1 option is through the draft; however, IMO AK doesn't view tanking as a viable way to rebuild (probably because he knows his job won't survive it). That said, expecting to nab that legit #1 option in year 1 of a tank isn't the way it usually happens. Legit #1 options are rare, the more likely scenario is that you end up with 4 or 5 top 5 picks after time, and because you have so many of them, they aren't playing with a core of vets and learning how to play right. They are often given entitlement minutes that, IMO, stunt their own drive to develop. Then when you find your #1, your team is stuck in a losing culture, often churning coaches and systems. Again, I agree with you, but the counter-argument isn't terrible.


I will say that Seattle / OKC built a championship caliber team by drafting Durant, Westbrook, and Harden and they learned without any significant Vets to learn from. Not saying the Bulls have any path or should do anything like that. Just saying that talent acquisition is more important this year than sneaking into the playoffs and getting embarrassed. As their roster gets more complete they will have a chance to go through the development of getting into the playoffs. Look at the Pistons and Rockets. Both team have strong cores and will be playoff bound this year. The Bulls don’t have the roster talent where a playoff appearance makes sense this year. They aren’t there yet.
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Re: Bulls vs Pacers 7pm CT Mar. 10 2025 

Post#130 » by sco » Wed Mar 12, 2025 5:44 pm

Am2626 wrote:
sco wrote:
Am2626 wrote:
No. This is a very incomplete roster that needs talent. A high draft pick has to be a top priority. You have to ask how many guys on this team would be a part of a championship caliber team when the Bulls next compete for a championship. I don’t think the best player in that scenario is even on this team. Right now the draft is the best way to get that player. Also finishing 8 gives the Bulls a chance at a top 4 pick which would not be possible if the Bulls somehow make the playoffs and then get embarrassed in the first round.

I agree with your notion that the best way to get your #1 option is through the draft; however, IMO AK doesn't view tanking as a viable way to rebuild (probably because he knows his job won't survive it). That said, expecting to nab that legit #1 option in year 1 of a tank isn't the way it usually happens. Legit #1 options are rare, the more likely scenario is that you end up with 4 or 5 top 5 picks after time, and because you have so many of them, they aren't playing with a core of vets and learning how to play right. They are often given entitlement minutes that, IMO, stunt their own drive to develop. Then when you find your #1, your team is stuck in a losing culture, often churning coaches and systems. Again, I agree with you, but the counter-argument isn't terrible.


I will say that Seattle / OKC built a championship caliber team by drafting Durant, Westbrook, and Harden and they learned without any significant Vets to learn from. Not saying the Bulls have any path or should do anything like that. Just saying that talent acquisition is more important this year than sneaking into the playoffs and getting embarrassed. As their roster gets more complete they will have a chance to go through the development of getting into the playoffs. Look at the Pistons and Rockets. Both team have strong cores and will be playoff bound this year. The Bulls don’t have the roster talent where a playoff appearance makes sense this year. They aren’t there yet.

Would you say that the OKC scenario is an outcome that you'd expect? BTW, how many championships did that trio (plus a few other stellar draft picks in that era) net them? Again, I think a tank and hope for luck is our best move, but it isn't the likely outcome. I'd prefer we tank for 7 or 8, rather than striving for play-in success.
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Re: Bulls vs Pacers 7pm CT Mar. 10 2025 

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Post#132 » by Chi town » Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:42 pm

Bet he misses 2-3 games.

Now Vuc gets to chuck.
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Re: Bulls vs Pacers 7pm CT Mar. 10 2025 

Post#133 » by Am2626 » Fri Mar 14, 2025 4:59 pm

sco wrote:
Am2626 wrote:
sco wrote:I agree with your notion that the best way to get your #1 option is through the draft; however, IMO AK doesn't view tanking as a viable way to rebuild (probably because he knows his job won't survive it). That said, expecting to nab that legit #1 option in year 1 of a tank isn't the way it usually happens. Legit #1 options are rare, the more likely scenario is that you end up with 4 or 5 top 5 picks after time, and because you have so many of them, they aren't playing with a core of vets and learning how to play right. They are often given entitlement minutes that, IMO, stunt their own drive to develop. Then when you find your #1, your team is stuck in a losing culture, often churning coaches and systems. Again, I agree with you, but the counter-argument isn't terrible.


I will say that Seattle / OKC built a championship caliber team by drafting Durant, Westbrook, and Harden and they learned without any significant Vets to learn from. Not saying the Bulls have any path or should do anything like that. Just saying that talent acquisition is more important this year than sneaking into the playoffs and getting embarrassed. As their roster gets more complete they will have a chance to go through the development of getting into the playoffs. Look at the Pistons and Rockets. Both team have strong cores and will be playoff bound this year. The Bulls don’t have the roster talent where a playoff appearance makes sense this year. They aren’t there yet.

Would you say that the OKC scenario is an outcome that you'd expect? BTW, how many championships did that trio (plus a few other stellar draft picks in that era) net them? Again, I think a tank and hope for luck is our best move, but it isn't the likely outcome. I'd prefer we tank for 7 or 8, rather than striving for play-in success.


If they kept Harden they would have won multiple championships and no OKC is not a realistic outcome where you draft 3 Hall of Fame Players in 3 consecutive years.

Bye the way the Bulls are now in the 10 spot. Hope they don’t slip further.
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Re: Bulls vs Pacers 7pm CT Mar. 10 2025 

Post#134 » by rosenthall » Fri Mar 14, 2025 5:04 pm

Am2626 wrote:
sco wrote:
Am2626 wrote:
I will say that Seattle / OKC built a championship caliber team by drafting Durant, Westbrook, and Harden and they learned without any significant Vets to learn from. Not saying the Bulls have any path or should do anything like that. Just saying that talent acquisition is more important this year than sneaking into the playoffs and getting embarrassed. As their roster gets more complete they will have a chance to go through the development of getting into the playoffs. Look at the Pistons and Rockets. Both team have strong cores and will be playoff bound this year. The Bulls don’t have the roster talent where a playoff appearance makes sense this year. They aren’t there yet.

Would you say that the OKC scenario is an outcome that you'd expect? BTW, how many championships did that trio (plus a few other stellar draft picks in that era) net them? Again, I think a tank and hope for luck is our best move, but it isn't the likely outcome. I'd prefer we tank for 7 or 8, rather than striving for play-in success.


If they kept Harden they would have won multiple championships and no OKC is not a realistic outcome where you draft 3 Hall of Fame Players in 3 consecutive years.

Bye the way the Bulls are now in the 10 spot. Hope they don’t slip further.


I think we could still catch Miami and Phoenix(!).

If Giddey is healthy by the playoffs we might actually be favorites to get the 8th seed. Miami feels broken right now and we always have the Hawks' number. Orlando is better than their record, so I don't think we could beat them.

It would just be crazy if we somehow grab the 15 pick on a team that wins less than 35 games.
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Re: Bulls vs Pacers 7pm CT Mar. 10 2025 

Post#135 » by Stratmaster » Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:28 pm

Chi town wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
Chi town wrote:
I’m sure he will miss time. He did the same thing in TOR when he turned his ankle… acted like he died and rolled around. He was back a week later.

Bulls will be extra careful for the tank. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t miss at least 7 games 2 weeks.


Chi, I hate to break it to you, but there is no tanking left. Sorry my friend. The Bulls have played poorly until the last 3 games and still didn't move from the 10 seed. Now they have won 3 in a row and are 4.5 games ahead of (or behind, depending on perspective) the 2 teams below them in the standings. Both those teams are 2-8 in their last 10. The thing to be worried about is them moving up in the standings one or 2 spots.

Which kind of goes back to my Billy Donovan whining; had the Bulls had a good coach and played the right players, in the right rotations, they could have easily been a 7 seed. And since no one expected the Pistons to break out like they have earlier in the season a reasonable expectation for this team would have been the 6 seed. Oh well....


What if Giddey is good to go and doesn’t miss time?
(Just posted IG Clip of him walking g without boot fine without a limp from 3hrs ago)

You think Bulls can get to 7th seed and win play in? 8th seed?

Would you consider one win against the Celts or Cavs better than a 8 - 10 pick?

If Giddey shows out in the playoffs he’s getting paid big money. If he shrinks he’s losing big money.


No. I don't see the Bulls moving past the 9 seed. More likely staying at 10
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Re: Bulls vs Pacers 7pm CT Mar. 10 2025 

Post#136 » by Dez » Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:53 pm

Stratmaster wrote:
Chi town wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
Chi, I hate to break it to you, but there is no tanking left. Sorry my friend. The Bulls have played poorly until the last 3 games and still didn't move from the 10 seed. Now they have won 3 in a row and are 4.5 games ahead of (or behind, depending on perspective) the 2 teams below them in the standings. Both those teams are 2-8 in their last 10. The thing to be worried about is them moving up in the standings one or 2 spots.

Which kind of goes back to my Billy Donovan whining; had the Bulls had a good coach and played the right players, in the right rotations, they could have easily been a 7 seed. And since no one expected the Pistons to break out like they have earlier in the season a reasonable expectation for this team would have been the 6 seed. Oh well....


What if Giddey is good to go and doesn’t miss time?
(Just posted IG Clip of him walking g without boot fine without a limp from 3hrs ago)

You think Bulls can get to 7th seed and win play in? 8th seed?

Would you consider one win against the Celts or Cavs better than a 8 - 10 pick?

If Giddey shows out in the playoffs he’s getting paid big money. If he shrinks he’s losing big money.


No. I don't see the Bulls moving past the 9 seed. More likely staying at 10


We'll end up higher than that, probably go on some ridiculous streak and get the 6th seed.

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