ATL - 2025 Season - Aaron Jones on IL

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[Ron Swanson]

I mean, what's the difference between Deebo and Jayden Reed? 31-year old George Kittle was 2nd in the entire league behind Justin Jefferson for explosive receiving plays (20+ yards) FYI. I think you're just inaccurately categorizing a "vertical threat" as being restricted to boundary WR's with sub 4.4 track speed.

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Viking fan coworker just stopped by and said the Vikings are apparently discussing Rodgers. It would be hilarious, sad, but also kind of worrying because I think he could be really good in that offense.

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[RRyder823]

Apparently, the current asking price for Hendrickson is a 1st round pick plus something more, and that's why he hasn't been traded.

Teams are looking to wait that out. Post Garrett contract makes sense.

Sending a 1st rounder plus extra to pay a 30+ year old 40 mill a year probably isn't high on a lot of teams priority list

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[Profound23]

Apparently, the current asking price for Hendrickson is a 1st round pick plus something more, and that's why he hasn't been traded.

Teams are looking to wait that out. Post Garrett contract makes sense.

Sending a 1st rounder plus extra to pay a 30+ year old 40 mill a year probably isn't high on a lot of teams priority list

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Yeah, not doing that. Weird that news out there was Bengals wanted a 2nd or 3rd yesterday.

[RRyder823]

Apparently, the current asking price for Hendrickson is a 1st round pick plus something more, and that's why he hasn't been traded.

Teams are looking to wait that out. Post Garrett contract makes sense.

Sending a 1st rounder plus extra to pay a 30+ year old 40 mill a year probably isn't high on a lot of teams priority list

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Yeah, not doing that. Weird that news out there was Bengals wanted a 2nd or 3rd yesterday.

I was pretty skeptical of those reports.

Like if it was just a 2nd or a 3rd they're getting those offers

A 1st plus "something more"...... Yeah i get why teams aren't lining up considering age and the contract he's gonna need

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[Profound23]

A pass rusher's prime is 25-30. There are a few Julius Peppers, Reggie White types out there that are productive way past that. But trading a 1st and more for a 30 year old pass rusher who turns 31 mid-season? NOPE, I am out.

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[MVP2110]

I mean, what's the difference between Deebo and Jayden Reed? 31-year old George Kittle was 2nd in the entire league behind Justin Jefferson for explosive receiving plays (20+ yards) FYI. I think you're just inaccurately categorizing a "vertical threat" as being restricted to boundary WR's with sub 4.4 track speed.

The main difference is the inability by Reed to beat anything resembling man coverage last season. If the Packers only go against zone defenses next year they'll be fine. But if anyone tries to man them up with Watson out they are likely to struggle just like they did vs Minnesota & Philly.

And it's hardly just me saying this. If you listen to any of the prominent Packers pods or read any of the WR stuff by Acme Packing Co. They've all discussed the Packers need to add a guy who can get open deep and can be a man beater.

This article does a fairly good job of showing what the Packers need in a WR addition, someone who can beat man defenses

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2025/2/13/24364608/2025-nfl-free-agency-wide-receiver-advanced-stats-green-bay-packers-targets

[ReasonablySober]

They just need good receivers and good receivers tend to be good all over the field.

[MVP2110]

They just need good receivers and good receivers tend to be good all over the field.

I mean that's just mainly not true. The easiest example being how most slot WRs in the NFL wouldn't be as good on the boundary. There are exceptions of course but WRs are just like every other position where you want a variety of skillsets and then a good coach is able to maximize those fits.

[Ron Swanson]

I mean, what's the difference between Deebo and Jayden Reed? 31-year old George Kittle was 2nd in the entire league behind Justin Jefferson for explosive receiving plays (20+ yards) FYI. I think you're just inaccurately categorizing a "vertical threat" as being restricted to boundary WR's with sub 4.4 track speed.

The main difference is the inability by Reed to beat anything resembling man coverage last season.

Deebo's never been a prolific man coverage beater and there's a reason he's never been used that way. I don't know what stats you were looking at. This is literally from after his breakout 2021 season:

Deebo’s grade, in particular, is likely down to some dropped passes against man coverage, as his sample size is relatively small. He recorded just 21 targets against man coverage and caught nine of them for 212 yards and a score.

And more recently:

https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/how-49ers-wr-deebo-samuel-has-regressed

Samuel never has been a good route runner. He always has relied on Kyle Shanahan to scheme him open by running him into wide open voids in the opponent's zone coverage.

Now Samuel has to be a wide receiver, not a hybrid player. And when the 49ers throw him a screen pass, he's still extremely dangerous after the catch. But he can't beat man to man coverage anymore.

I'm not seeing the difference here. His man-coverage grades have been consistently in the low-60's his entire career.

[ReasonablySober]

They just need good receivers and good receivers tend to be good all over the field.

I mean that's just mainly not true. The easiest example being how most slot WRs in the NFL wouldn't be as good on the boundary. There are exceptions of course but WRs are just like every other position where you want a variety of skillsets and then a good coach is able to maximize those fits.

I wasn't talking about an X vs Slot. If your argument is we need an X receiver, I'll absolutely agree. You've just been saying deep threat over and over.

[MVP2110]

I mean, what's the difference between Deebo and Jayden Reed? 31-year old George Kittle was 2nd in the entire league behind Justin Jefferson for explosive receiving plays (20+ yards) FYI. I think you're just inaccurately categorizing a "vertical threat" as being restricted to boundary WR's with sub 4.4 track speed.

The main difference is the inability by Reed to beat anything resembling man coverage last season.

Deebo's never been a prolific man coverage beater and there's a reason he's never been used that way. I don't know what stats you were looking at. This is literally from after his breakout 2021 season:

Deebo’s grade, in particular, is likely down to some dropped passes against man coverage, as his sample size is relatively small. He recorded just 21 targets against man coverage and caught nine of them for 212 yards and a score.

And more recently:

https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/how-49ers-wr-deebo-samuel-has-regressed

Samuel never has been a good route runner. He always has relied on Kyle Shanahan to scheme him open by running him into wide open voids in the opponent's zone coverage.

Now Samuel has to be a wide receiver, not a hybrid player. And when the 49ers throw him a screen pass, he's still extremely dangerous after the catch. But he can't beat man to man coverage anymore.

I'm not seeing the difference here.

Deebo also had the benefit of Brandon Aiyuk as a great boundary WR or even Ray-Ray McCloud as a vertical threat and Kittle as one of the premier pass catching TEs.

Again I'm not saying the Packers pass game would be awful, but it was elite last year when Watson played and it very much was averagish when he didn't. Similar numbers were true when MVS was on the Packers

[MVP2110]

They just need good receivers and good receivers tend to be good all over the field.

I mean that's just mainly not true. The easiest example being how most slot WRs in the NFL wouldn't be as good on the boundary. There are exceptions of course but WRs are just like every other position where you want a variety of skillsets and then a good coach is able to maximize those fits.

I wasn't talking about an X vs Slot. If your argument is we need an X receiver, I'll absolutely agree. You've just been saying deep threat over and over.

I mean in most instances an X WR is a deep threat. But if you'd prefer me to say X WR instead of deep threat then sure, the Packers need to add an X WR to this offense, mainly to help beat man coverage

[Ron Swanson]

I think the MVS stuff was always exaggerated more because we simply didn't have another prolific receiving weapon outside of Davante, and nothing at TE outside of that one good Tonyan year before he tore his knee up. Lazard was a slow possession type, and guys like EQ and old Cobb were JAGs.

I'm just saying that you don't really need this "deep threat" WR with this offense and these skill position guys that make up for it. You've got your versatile pass-catching YAC monster (Reed), your *fingers crossed* George Kittle (Kraft), your all-around/reliable route-runner (Doubs), and if Wicks can fix the dropsies, your "put him on an island" single coverage wrecker (if we really believe those separation metrics). We already had a problem with "too many mouths" to feed in the 2023 season, so this stuff sorting itself out has a silver lining, even if the Watson injury sucks. And that's not even mentioning Musgrave if he can get his body right. Dude's vertical threat potential is off the charts.

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Actions speak louder than words. Packers clearly were not happy with the performance of Josh Myers the last few years