2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?)

[Special_Puppy]

The Anomaly, the Shamrock Samurai, Taco T. He simply has much more aura than SGA or Jokic

[Special_Puppy]

I really hope SGA wins just because it follows the logical progression of how the award has almost always gone.

Just because voters have put a heavy emphasis on team record in the past doesn’t mean we should care very much about it now. Team record really did probably reveal hidden truths that weren’t immediately obviously from surface level stats. 1962 MVP race is a good example of this. Wilt famously lost MVP that season even though he averaged 50 PPG because Russell’s Celtics were by far the best team in the league. I really do think that taking team record into account there made the result more accurate as box score stats didn't fully pick up the impact of Russell’s defense or Wilt’s lack of creation. That really isn’t the case anymore with the far wider variety of tools available to us to measure individual impact. They would have been able to do a far better job to measuring Russell’s defense or Wilt’s relative lack of offensive lift. Thus it makes sense that team record should take far less precedence now. Which isn’t to say that SGA isn’t the MVP. His individual impact arguably outpaces Jokic this season according to some metrics

[Doranku]

It's over. Shai is the MVP.

[DrModesty]

Statement victory tonight for Shai. On the road, against Boston, 3rd game in 4 nights, no J-Dub or Caruso.

[Special_Puppy]

Statement victory tonight for Shai. On the road, against Boston, 3rd game in 4 nights, no J-Dub or Caruso.

Boston was missing Porzingis tbf but yeah he played great

[Big J]

I really hope SGA wins just because it follows the logical progression of how the award has almost always gone.

Just because voters have put a heavy emphasis on team record in the past doesn’t mean we should care very much about it now. Team record really did probably reveal hidden truths that weren’t immediately obviously from surface level stats. 1962 MVP race is a good example of this. Wilt famously lost MVP that season even though he averaged 50 PPG because Russell’s Celtics were by far the best team in the league. I really do think that taking team record into account there made the result more accurate as box score stats didn't fully pick up the impact of Russell’s defense or Wilt’s lack of creation. That really isn’t the case anymore with the far wider variety of tools available to us to measure individual impact. They would have been able to do a far better job to measuring Russell’s defense or Wilt’s relative lack of offensive lift. Thus it makes sense that team record should take far less precedence now. Which isn’t to say that SGA isn’t the MVP. His individual impact arguably outpaces Jokic this season according to some metrics

Team record will always play a role in the MVP race. There are things that can’t be measured by stats that impact winning.

[Special_Puppy]

I really hope SGA wins just because it follows the logical progression of how the award has almost always gone.

Just because voters have put a heavy emphasis on team record in the past doesn’t mean we should care very much about it now. Team record really did probably reveal hidden truths that weren’t immediately obviously from surface level stats. 1962 MVP race is a good example of this. Wilt famously lost MVP that season even though he averaged 50 PPG because Russell’s Celtics were by far the best team in the league. I really do think that taking team record into account there made the result more accurate as box score stats didn't fully pick up the impact of Russell’s defense or Wilt’s lack of creation. That really isn’t the case anymore with the far wider variety of tools available to us to measure individual impact. They would have been able to do a far better job to measuring Russell’s defense or Wilt’s relative lack of offensive lift. Thus it makes sense that team record should take far less precedence now. Which isn’t to say that SGA isn’t the MVP. His individual impact arguably outpaces Jokic this season according to some metrics

Team record will always play a role in the MVP race. There are things that can’t be measured by stats that impact winning.

"There are things that can’t be measured by stats that impact winning" what are modern examples of this?

[Jaqua92]

Statement victory tonight for Shai. On the road, against Boston, 3rd game in 4 nights, no J-Dub or Caruso.

SGA had more free throws than the entire Boston team, he was outplayed by Tatum, Celtics missed their starting center, Thunder were +23 in FTA, and 2 celtic starters were in foul trouble in the 4th

This was no statement

[canada_dry]

SGA , without his best teammate, Went into the defending champions building and won.

Yeah that's tough to vote against.

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[canada_dry]

Statement victory tonight for Shai. On the road, against Boston, 3rd game in 4 nights, no J-Dub or Caruso.

SGA had more free throws than the entire Boston team, he was outplayed by Tatum, Celtics missed their starting center, Thunder were +23 in FTA, and 2 celtic starters were in foul trouble in the 4th

This was no statement

You okay? Last time okc and SGA slapped the Celtics you kinda malfunctioned? Consider this a wellness check.

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[Special_Puppy]

SGA , without his best teammate, Went into the defending champions building and won.

Yeah that's tough to vote against.

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Boston was missing Porzingis, but yeah SGA individually playing great against the Celtics is obviously impressive

[Big J]

Just because voters have put a heavy emphasis on team record in the past doesn’t mean we should care very much about it now. Team record really did probably reveal hidden truths that weren’t immediately obviously from surface level stats. 1962 MVP race is a good example of this. Wilt famously lost MVP that season even though he averaged 50 PPG because Russell’s Celtics were by far the best team in the league. I really do think that taking team record into account there made the result more accurate as box score stats didn't fully pick up the impact of Russell’s defense or Wilt’s lack of creation. That really isn’t the case anymore with the far wider variety of tools available to us to measure individual impact. They would have been able to do a far better job to measuring Russell’s defense or Wilt’s relative lack of offensive lift. Thus it makes sense that team record should take far less precedence now. Which isn’t to say that SGA isn’t the MVP. His individual impact arguably outpaces Jokic this season according to some metrics

Team record will always play a role in the MVP race. There are things that can’t be measured by stats that impact winning.

"There are things that can’t be measured by stats that impact winning" what are modern examples of this?

Leadership, effort, and intangibles.

[Special_Puppy]

Team record will always play a role in the MVP race. There are things that can’t be measured by stats that impact winning.

"There are things that can’t be measured by stats that impact winning" what are modern examples of this?

Leadership, effort, and intangibles.

Dude thinks this is Remember the Titans

[RB34]

The foul baiting is getting a little bit ridiculous at this point.

[Big J]

"There are things that can’t be measured by stats that impact winning" what are modern examples of this?

Leadership, effort, and intangibles.

Dude thinks this is Remember the Titans

You do realize that this is an award that has a narrative component to it right?

[Handlez]

SGA took back the MVP tonight!

Woooow!

[Handlez]

Statement victory tonight for Shai. On the road, against Boston, 3rd game in 4 nights, no J-Dub or Caruso.

SGA had more free throws than the entire Boston team, he was outplayed by Tatum, Celtics missed their starting center, Thunder were +23 in FTA, and 2 celtic starters were in foul trouble in the 4th

This was no statement

Lmfao

[SlimShady83]

WTF can't they get Gobert to attack Jokic ?

[SlimShady83]

Gobert bruh, put the ball down once go up and dunk on his @#$ FFS

[MoneyTalks41890]

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