Gobert to Hawks

[Astaluego]

WOLVES
In: Okongwu/Niang+Lakers 25 FRP
Out:Gobert

They lower the payroll (to pay Naz), get younger, gain long-term flexibility, and get a FRP. This sets them up for a consolidation trade at the guard post.

HAWKS
In:Gobert
Out: Okongwu/Niang+Lakers 25 FRP

The Hawks, without controlling their picks, continue to surround T. Young with the best possible fits.

[Streakers33]

This is a good start. In my opinion the wolves showed they value Rudy when KAT was traded. And we know they want to keep Naz and may just keep spending to do it. Part of me thinks you gotta sprinkle more in it. And the picks you have aren’t prom ready but I believe would push it over the edge.
So add the kings 2025 (13-30), and the 2027 less favorable mil/nop pick (5-30) and it’s gets done. You might think that’s too rich. But , I can see Minny asking for one of your picks and these other two are worth less and would be the compromise.


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[jayjaysee]

Hawks need to send out a good amount more salary.

If you delay it for LAL pick to count as matching salary, you could probably make it legal with Vit? Or maybe Vit and a second vet min?

Atlanta has the tax space to make it work if they decide to.

For Minnesota.. I think you add a third team getting Niang. Even if it costs the Utah 2nd.

I really don’t like Minnesota trading Rudy as he’s one of the better floor raisers in the league. But OO is a really nice piece for them. And this trade takes care of their tax problems.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Do the Wolves want or value having two picks between #18-#25? I doubt it.

Okongwu is neutral value, maybe worth expiring + couple 2nds.

Seems awfully short for a Top 10-ish Center.

[louc1970]

I just don't understand the Hawks trading away a first for a center that will be 33 at the start of the season. His contract will become really bad in a year.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I just don't understand the Hawks trading away a first for a center that will be 33 at the start of the season. His contract will become really bad in a year.

What makes you think the contract becomes bad?

He is slated to be the 7th highest paid Center in 2025-2026.

In the 2026-2027 you will add players like Chet Holmgren, Walker Kessler, Mark Williams and Jalen Duren who get new contracts.

In the 2027-2028 season we will see Wembanyama and Lively needing new contracts.

I don't expect it to age that badly, all things considered. Rudy Gobert is in his age 32 season. His closest historical comparison is Mutombo, and Gobert moves lighter and is more fluid than him while Mutombo was an all-star in his Age 35 season and a DPOY candidate in his Age 34 season.

The days of Gobert being a Top 15 player in the NBA are in all liklihood gone, but him being a Top 75 player over the next 3 season is more likely than not. Considering Gobert will be around the 50th highest paid player in 2025-2026 and around Top 100 highest paid player by 2027-2028, I have a hard time seeing the contract age poorly unless he gets injured.

Gobert has played less than 60 games just once in his career, in 2018.

[the_process]

Gobert and Mitchell didn't really work. Why would Gobert and Trae?

Plus MIN needs to shed salary, and they're never getting back even half of what they paid. It's a sunk cost. OP offer is more than generous IMO, assuming ATL has interest.

[jscott]

Gobert and Mitchell didn't really work. Why would Gobert and Trae?

Plus MIN needs to shed salary, and they're never getting back even half of what they paid. It's a sunk cost. OP offer is more than generous IMO, assuming ATL has interest.

Of course they wouldn’t get back what they paid for. They’ve used up 3 years of service. That would diminish anyone’s value. I don’t know that people claimed the Wolves would.

[facothomas22]

Yeah I think both teams would say no here. For the Hawks, they would be spending a lot of money on a guy that doesn't make Championship Contenders. The Timberwolves side, I believe will be a better Center for them to get than Okongwu if they want trade Rudy Gobert to cut salary. Maybe Zubic? Nic Claxton?

[the_process]

Gobert and Mitchell didn't really work. Why would Gobert and Trae?

Plus MIN needs to shed salary, and they're never getting back even half of what they paid. It's a sunk cost. OP offer is more than generous IMO, assuming ATL has interest.

Of course they wouldn’t get back what they paid for. They’ve used up 3 years of service. That would diminish anyone’s value. I don’t know that people claimed the Wolves would.

This is a good start...
So add the kings 2025 (13-30), and the 2027 less favorable mil/nop pick (5-30) and it’s gets done. You might think that’s too rich. But , I can see Minny asking for one of your picks and these other two are worth less and would be the compromise.

[jayjaysee]

Gobert and Mitchell didn't really work. Why would Gobert and Trae?

I think Jalen/Zacc/Dyson are already enough better than Utah’s best group for it to be worth trying.

[Astaluego]

Gobert and Mitchell didn't really work. Why would Gobert and Trae?

Plus MIN needs to shed salary, and they're never getting back even half of what they paid. It's a sunk cost. OP offer is more than generous IMO, assuming ATL has interest.

What does Mitchell, a scoring Slasher who averages less than 5 assists, have to do with TraeY, a playmaker and master of PnR who averages almost 12?

[SA37]

Gobert is fool's gold.

He is overpaid and overrated for a guy who probably needs at least 3 better players than him to compensate for his lack of offensive skills. It's a similar case with Draymond Green and Jarrett Allen, although neither of these guys is overpaid. These guys just don't move the needle.

That basically means only Boston, Houston, the Lakers, and maybe Dallas could benefit from Gobert's skills, but which team wants to pay a premium for that?

[Cappy_Smurf]

Gobert is fool's gold.

He is overpaid and overrated for a guy who probably needs at least 3 better players than him to compensate for his lack of offensive skills. It's a similar case with Draymond Green and Jarrett Allen, although neither of these guys is overpaid. These guys just don't move the needle.

That basically means only Boston, Houston, the Lakers, and maybe Dallas could benefit from Gobert's skills, but which team wants to pay a premium for that?

Gobert is a great litmus test for whether or not somebody understands the game.

You just failed miserably.

[Ball4life32]

Do the Wolves want or value having two picks between #18-#25? I doubt it.

Okongwu is neutral value, maybe worth expiring + couple 2nds.

Seems awfully short for a Top 10-ish Center.

Is OO really only neutral? I thought most had him a first round value last year and he's having his best year so far.

As a starter (last 25 games)
14.1 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.8 apg with 2 Block/Steals per game 60/35/70 splits in 30mpg - his BPM is up to +1.3 . I do agree Gobert is undervalued as well though.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Do the Wolves want or value having two picks between #18-#25? I doubt it.

Okongwu is neutral value, maybe worth expiring + couple 2nds.

Seems awfully short for a Top 10-ish Center.

Is OO really only neutral? I thought most had him a first round value last year and he's having his best year so far.

As a starter (last 25 games)
14.1 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.8 apg with 2 Block/Steals per game 60/35/70 splits in 30mpg - his BPM is up to +1.3 . I do agree Gobert is undervalued as well though.

I suppose it is possible I am not valuing OO as high as some other teams may. He has always striked me as "a guy" rather than a player who is really impacting winning.

Maybe he is a bit more of a glue guy than I give him credit for, but I still struggle to see how, on both sides of the court, he is either warping defenses with his rim pressure, finishing or shooting and then defensively he isn't an elite rim protector and can he really switch 1-5 like a Bam Adebayo (Bam a much better rim protector).

Ultimately I see a player who is better than an MLE player but not a good starter.

In his defense, his USG% and AST% have increased while maintaining his TOV%. Low FTR and 3PAR means he isn't stressing offenses and his relatively low AST% doesn't show some secondary playmaking to be unlocked.

Yeah, he seems like a guy. 5th best player on a title team but not a floor spacer, not an elite finisher and P&R finisher and lacks the tools and ability to be a defensive anchor.

Maybe he is with a late 1st? I'd still be disappointed if my team turned a late 1st into OO since I struggle with team building with a player like OO.

[Ball4life32]

Do the Wolves want or value having two picks between #18-#25? I doubt it.

Okongwu is neutral value, maybe worth expiring + couple 2nds.

Seems awfully short for a Top 10-ish Center.

Is OO really only neutral? I thought most had him a first round value last year and he's having his best year so far.

As a starter (last 25 games)
14.1 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.8 apg with 2 Block/Steals per game 60/35/70 splits in 30mpg - his BPM is up to +1.3 . I do agree Gobert is undervalued as well though.

I suppose it is possible I am not valuing OO as high as some other teams may. He has always striked me as "a guy" rather than a player who is really impacting winning.

Maybe he is a bit more of a glue guy than I give him credit for, but I still struggle to see how, on both sides of the court, he is either warping defenses with his rim pressure, finishing or shooting and then defensively he isn't an elite rim protector and can he really switch 1-5 like a Bam Adebayo (Bam a much better rim protector).

Ultimately I see a player who is better than an MLE player but not a good starter.

In his defense, his USG% and AST% have increased while maintaining his TOV%. Low FTR and 3PAR means he isn't stressing offenses and his relatively low AST% doesn't show some secondary playmaking to be unlocked.

Yeah, he seems like a guy. 5th best player on a title team but not a floor spacer, not an elite finisher and P&R finisher and lacks the tools and ability to be a defensive anchor.

Maybe he is with a late 1st? I'd still be disappointed if my team turned a late 1st into OO since I struggle with team building with a player like OO.

Well it isn't a huge sample but 14/10/3 on 64 TS% in only 30mpg as starter with his BPM continues to rise... I think he looks much better as a starter playing with Trae's elite passing and has a career 67 TS%... I would say he's pretty close to being an elite finsisher and really good in p&r...skill wise I think he's above average for a C and his 3pt% is steadily creeping up recently.

His shot blocking / rim protection has been down for whatever reason...his first 3 years he was getting 2+ blocks per 36.....the last two seasons its declined. But I think he's got more untapped potential that people don't realize because Capela had been starting over him. Also is Bam really that much better in rim protection? I always considered Bam an elite switch 1-5 guy but never considered him an elite rim protector.

[louc1970]

I just don't understand the Hawks trading away a first for a center that will be 33 at the start of the season. His contract will become really bad in a year.

What makes you think the contract becomes bad?

He is slated to be the 7th highest paid Center in 2025-2026.

In the 2026-2027 you will add players like Chet Holmgren, Walker Kessler, Mark Williams and Jalen Duren who get new contracts.

In the 2027-2028 season we will see Wembanyama and Lively needing new contracts.

I don't expect it to age that badly, all things considered. Rudy Gobert is in his age 32 season. His closest historical comparison is Mutombo, and Gobert moves lighter and is more fluid than him while Mutombo was an all-star in his Age 35 season and a DPOY candidate in his Age 34 season.

The days of Gobert being a Top 15 player in the NBA are in all liklihood gone, but him being a Top 75 player over the next 3 season is more likely than not. Considering Gobert will be around the 50th highest paid player in 2025-2026 and around Top 100 highest paid player by 2027-2028, I have a hard time seeing the contract age poorly unless he gets injured.

Gobert has played less than 60 games just once in his career, in 2018.

I don't see paying a player $35M to give me 10 points a game. At 33, he is going to be slowing down next year. His defense is great now, but his age will slow him down.

Hawks would get 3 seasons out him. I would rather the Hawks keep the pick and get a Wolf. Just not ideal for me.

[louc1970]

Gobert and Mitchell didn't really work. Why would Gobert and Trae?

Plus MIN needs to shed salary, and they're never getting back even half of what they paid. It's a sunk cost. OP offer is more than generous IMO, assuming ATL has interest.

What does Mitchell, a scoring Slasher who averages less than 5 assists, have to do with TraeY, a playmaker and master of PnR who averages almost 12?

How many of those assists go to the center? Gobert is not known for his hands nor foot movement on offense.

[Astaluego]

Gobert and Mitchell didn't really work. Why would Gobert and Trae?

Plus MIN needs to shed salary, and they're never getting back even half of what they paid. It's a sunk cost. OP offer is more than generous IMO, assuming ATL has interest.

What does Mitchell, a scoring Slasher who averages less than 5 assists, have to do with TraeY, a playmaker and master of PnR who averages almost 12?

How many of those assists go to the center? Gobert is not known for his hands nor foot movement on offense.

Rudy is big, strong and sets very good screens... I could agree, but I also think that with the exception of Conley, they avoid passing him the ball as much as possible.