2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Would’ve been a crazy duo

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[MartyConlonJr]

If we miss the playoffs our pick goes to Hornets and We have only the pick we got from GSW on the Butler trade?

It goes to OKC. Two years from that pick one goes to Hornets

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Hawks won by 13 in a game that Trae Young played 35 mins and was +6, so they were +7 in the 13 mins he was on the bench too. 35 points in 35 mins on 35% shooting...

I’m sorry but this is just a bad take and single game +\- doesn’t account for momentum swings possibly caused by Traes big scoring and playmaking night. 35 points on 20 shots is elite and you forgot to mention the 7 rebounds and 12 assists. Just an elite overall floor game.

I'm not sure anything I said is a take. I literally pointed out what happened.

My take would be it is the Hornets. It is a bad team. How tf did we lose to them. One of our problems is our depth giving away 4th quarter leads when Spo routinely sits our best players to start the 4th.

Trae sat from 8:54 in the 2nd quarter up 3, till 3:37 in the 2nd quarter and they grew the lead by 2 to 5.
Trae sat from 5:37 in the 3rd quarter up 14, till 3:12 in the 3rd quarter and the lead dropped by 1 to 13.
Trae then sat again at 7:53 in the 4th with the lead reduced to 8.
He returned at 5:49 in the 4th and the Hawks had extended the lead by 1 to 9.

Trae can sit and not see a lead evaporate against a bad team like the Hornets (on this particular night at least) quickly.

I've already stated I'm on the fence about Trae. He is a deeply flawed player, but has elite playmaking. But I am not taking a tonne of insights from a heliocentric player putting up huge numbers against one of the worst teams. I take more from us losing to Hornets than I do from Atlanta beating them. We should all be beating them.

Trae had 14 points and 6 turnovers with a -4 box score against them earlier this season in a 3 point win:
https://www.espn.com.au/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401704866
He was a -28 with 11 turnovers in a loss to Toronto.

Atlanta is a middling team. I would trust Pat if he traded for him, but I won't be swayed by the Hornets game.

I see what you’re saying but he’s averaging 24-12 on the same amount of shots as Tyler at 18.2. Tyler has been more efficient from the field while Trae is much better at getting to the line to make up that difference. This is also the worst season of Traes career outside of his rookie year probably, I think he can increase his efficiency here under Spo (who is having a terrible year himself).

I’m just saying, I would not be mad at all about adding a 26 year old elite offensive player to a team that’s being held back by a bad offense and messed up scoring hierarchy. He also leads the league in assists while Greg pointed out the other day that we have the worst perimeter playmaking in the league. I think he would fix a lot.

[SerialChiller]

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Would’ve been a crazy duo

Wade was so underrated as a passer. I actually saw fools on the general board getting all hyped about Lebron finally getting to play with someone who can pass in Luka now. As if he never had Wade feeding him perfect lobs for 4 years .

[MartyConlonJr]

I'd also say, and I dont know who it is to, but that logic about who cares if Trae is a bad defender that gets hunted, because Tyler is too and you can only hunt one guy at a time - I've never bought that argument.

Hunting someone doesn't always lead to a one on one exploitation and layup, it leads to team defense breakdowns where other guys need to cover for a lapse, that leads someone else open, and exhausts the defense. Having two negative defenders on court like that does make the oppositions offense exponentially better and wears out our D more.

I'm not even saying yes or no to Trae. I see the positives. I'm saying I see the sort of negatives too that tell me why a guy with his stats can't elevate a team. I'm deeply intrigued by what he can offer our lob threats and our opportunistic secondary scorers.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Would’ve been a crazy duo

Wade was so underrated as a passer. I actually saw fools on the general board getting all hyped about Lebron getting to play with someone who can pass in Luka now. As if he never had Wade feeding him perfect lobs for 4 years .

Magic Johnson literally stamped him as the best lob passer ever lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Looks like Terry agrees

[wadenation305]

Trae has an entire career of being a high level offensive player, Herro has a hot stretch to start this season. Sorry 1 season doesn’t outweigh a career, Trae is easily better than Tyler and he’s a top 5 playmaker in the league which is huge considering neither play defense.

I’m not saying he’s the final piece and to build a ram around him but he’d definitely be a great addition and would make everyone’s life easier on that end

I don't know how to explain it differently. Neither Trae, KD or any of these 2nd/3rd tier guys are good enough to change this team's ceiling. Having 3 all star level players (assuming you keep Bam/Tyler), doesn't change much, yeah they might be like a 4/5 seed maybe and then go on and win a round in the playoffs, but then what? You're not winning the whole thing with these guys.

They need a Luka, SGA, Tatum, Jokic, Giannis type player, to change this teams ceiling and they simply can't trade for those guys. The only path for them to get one is to develop one.

The worst thing they could do this offseason is to spend assets for players which don't change much and keep them mid for longer, they already put themselves into a bad spot with no flexibility next year and missing draft picks, all while having a mid roster.

At this point you might as well try and trade a few assets and try and improve this team and hope the lottery treats us with a star player to bring what we have together. I’m all for Lauri Markkanen but i’m not opposed to adding others as well. I don’t think Durant or Young are in the cards for us but there will be plenty of mid tier players who can better round out this roster while our young players take shape. I want this team to give OKC a garbage pick in 2026.

Hand out some Bruce Brown 1+ 1 Team option balloon contracts next year to try to be just good enough that it has no real value. But at least for 2-3 seasons (When we have our picks) need to suck until we have that guy. If at a max of 3 seasons we still don't have anything, at least we have clear cap sheets picks and hopefully some assets opposed to our asset situation now.

[jbsays]

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Would’ve been a crazy duo

I was watching Wade highlights 2-3 weeks ago and seriously what stuck out to me was how good he threw lobs whether it was Shaq and Lebron or even guys like Haslem, White, or Beasley. Then I started wondering how did he get so good at it when he probably didn't even play with other guys who could finish them until college or guys that could really finish them until NBA. He was a great passer.

[Shewasfly]

I figured it was always going to be a toss up who came out smelling better between Jimmy and Pat. I just didn't think it'd be this obvious this soon.

Pat hands down is looking like the a*shole. Jimmy got all his money and is turning around a losing franchise, while we are at death's door. On a 5 game losing streak (about to be 6) and can't even beat the worst teams in the league.

That's why I was so adamant about some of you not being so delusional about being happy JB is gone and it being a "win" for us.

[carnageta]

I figured it was always going to be a toss up who came out smelling better between Jimmy and Pat. I just didn't think it'd be this obvious this soon.

Pat hands down is looking like the a*shole. Jimmy got all his money and is turning around a losing franchise, while we are at death's door. On a 5 game losing streak (about to be 6) and can't even beat the worst teams in the league.

That's why I was so adamant about some of you not being so delusional about being happy JB is gone and it being a "win" for us.

So you would rather have paid Jimmy the max and lock him up for another 2 years after this season?

[MettaWorldPanda]

I don't know how to explain it differently. Neither Trae, KD or any of these 2nd/3rd tier guys are good enough to change this team's ceiling. Having 3 all star level players (assuming you keep Bam/Tyler), doesn't change much, yeah they might be like a 4/5 seed maybe and then go on and win a round in the playoffs, but then what? You're not winning the whole thing with these guys.

They need a Luka, SGA, Tatum, Jokic, Giannis type player, to change this teams ceiling and they simply can't trade for those guys. The only path for them to get one is to develop one.

The worst thing they could do this offseason is to spend assets for players which don't change much and keep them mid for longer, they already put themselves into a bad spot with no flexibility next year and missing draft picks, all while having a mid roster.

At this point you might as well try and trade a few assets and try and improve this team and hope the lottery treats us with a star player to bring what we have together. I’m all for Lauri Markkanen but i’m not opposed to adding others as well. I don’t think Durant or Young are in the cards for us but there will be plenty of mid tier players who can better round out this roster while our young players take shape. I want this team to give OKC a garbage pick in 2026.

Hand out some Bruce Brown 1+ 1 Team option balloon contracts next year to try to be just good enough that it has no real value. But at least for 2-3 seasons (When we have our picks) need to suck until we have that guy. If at a max of 3 seasons we still don't have anything, at least we have clear cap sheets picks and hopefully some assets opposed to our asset situation now.

We got zero money for free agents unless they rework Duncan’s deal that comes with an extension. That gets us about 10 mil under the tax line.

[jbsays]

I figured it was always going to be a toss up who came out smelling better between Jimmy and Pat. I just didn't think it'd be this obvious this soon.

Pat hands down is looking like the a*shole. Jimmy got all his money and is turning around a losing franchise, while we are at death's door. On a 5 game losing streak (about to be 6) and can't even beat the worst teams in the league.

That's why I was so adamant about some of you not being so delusional about being happy JB is gone and it being a "win" for us.

Losing franchise?
GSW has won 4 championships and been to 6 Finals in the last 10 years. They've been the best franchise for a decade. They weren't having a great season this year, but it's a lot different putting Butler on the Warriors than on the Heat. Not too mention the fact that Butler is actually playing and playing hard.

[SerialChiller]

I figured it was always going to be a toss up who came out smelling better between Jimmy and Pat. I just didn't think it'd be this obvious this soon.

Pat hands down is looking like the a*shole. Jimmy got all his money and is turning around a losing franchise, while we are at death's door. On a 5 game losing streak (about to be 6) and can't even beat the worst teams in the league.

That's why I was so adamant about some of you not being so delusional about being happy JB is gone and it being a "win" for us.

So you would rather have paid Jimmy the max and lock him up for another 2 years after this season?

Exactly...the only regret anyone should have over trading Jimmy is that Pat wasn't smart enough to do it earlier when we could of got a much better return and avoided all the mess.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I figured it was always going to be a toss up who came out smelling better between Jimmy and Pat. I just didn't think it'd be this obvious this soon.

Pat hands down is looking like the a*shole. Jimmy got all his money and is turning around a losing franchise, while we are at death's door. On a 5 game losing streak (about to be 6) and can't even beat the worst teams in the league.

That's why I was so adamant about some of you not being so delusional about being happy JB is gone and it being a "win" for us.

So you would rather have paid Jimmy the max and lock him up for another 2 years after this season?

Exactly...the only regret anyone should have over trading Jimmy is that Pat wasn't smart enough to do it earlier when we could of got a much better return and avoided all the mess.

My only regret is Pat wasn’t smart enough to get the final piece to win a championship when we were so close. Now we’re all expecting him to make some big move this summer or the next but he hasn’t made a meaningful
Move that Wade hasn’t gifted him in idk how long lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Big blow for the tank but I still have faith

[SerialChiller]

So you would rather have paid Jimmy the max and lock him up for another 2 years after this season?

Exactly...the only regret anyone should have over trading Jimmy is that Pat wasn't smart enough to do it earlier when we could of got a much better return and avoided all the mess.

My only regret is Pat wasn’t smart enough to get the final piece to win a championship when we were so close. Now we’re all expecting him to make some big move this summer or the next but he hasn’t made a meaningful
Move that Wade hasn’t gifted him in idk how long lol

Ya I fully agree here to. Pat didn't get it done. I wanted to go all in with Jimmy the whole time but we failed him. As soon as the Dame trade fell through, that was the time to trade Jimmy and he let that pass, then another whole year and a half pass. I don't know how he thought to himself I'm not going to pay him and he'll be fine with that. When he decided he wasn't paying him, why not look to trade him right then and there?

[DayofMourning]

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I think those are their averages thru the 1st 3 quarters;)

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I figured it was always going to be a toss up who came out smelling better between Jimmy and Pat. I just didn't think it'd be this obvious this soon.

Pat hands down is looking like the a*shole. Jimmy got all his money and is turning around a losing franchise, while we are at death's door. On a 5 game losing streak (about to be 6) and can't even beat the worst teams in the league.

That's why I was so adamant about some of you not being so delusional about being happy JB is gone and it being a "win" for us.

So you would rather have paid Jimmy the max and lock him up for another 2 years after this season?

I mean honestly why not at this point? Would’ve had Jimmy locked up for 2 more years with KD likely having Miami as his top choice to team up with Jimmy Bam and Spo and make a championship run. Jimmys already shown everyone what he can do in the playoffs.

3 and D PG
Herro (if not traded for an upgrade
Jimmy
KD
Bam

Sure as hell beats what we have right now tbh and it lets the 3rd best player in franchise history retire with us on good terms