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Post#1963 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:20 pm

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Yallbecrazy wrote:I haven't watched any of Raynaud, but a senior who has had a negative assist to turnover ratio his entire career, with the best being about 0.8 with a career high BPM of 7.4 and no stats that really stand out probably isn't worthy of a draft pick at all.

Condon on the other hand is a 2 sport athlete that only recently picked up the sport 5 years ago. He's a natural athlete that has an assist to turnover ratio above 2 which I haven't really seen before in a major conference from an underclassmen big (point forwards don't count). His BBIQ projects as outlier good, he's very aggressive and is leading one of the best teams in the country against the strongest conference in the history of college basketball.


I'd love Alex Condon, but doubt he will be available at the second round pick. I don't think Alex Condon is worth a top ten pick and we never trade for a FRP. He is on the skinny side for me and and I don't see a plus wingspan and he shoots 62% from the line, so I struggle with picking him as high as where we will pick.

Raynaud is productive and likely available in the second round. He maybe a year older, is still a 7 BPM and shoots double the amount of threes, and shoots freethrows 15% better than Condon. He also averaged 20 and 11 which has to be somewhat noteworthy.

If you love the passing, Raynaud shows some high level skill and is notable for short roll passing, and the caveat to the high turnovers is Raynaud is playing on Stanford and is the primary option facing doubles and team's best defenders. In the NBA with spacing he should be a decent stretch C. He is a good draft budget floor spacer.


i honestly haven't looked at a minute of reynaud, data wise he's weaker but because of the early nba success of quinten post it's probably a good exercise to take players with his size and shooting seriously. that said i think he falls way short of post despite the higher 3pt volume
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1964 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:42 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:We'll be LUCKY if Maluach falls to us and I'll be damn near over the moon just to get him nvm cracking the top 4 at this rate lol

But without luck, I'm expecting us to end up with one of Queen, Demin or Fleming.

I really don't think our FO will take another guard ie/ Fears or Kasp, even if a lot of people here might think one (or both) are better prospects. I just think they have a ton of faith in IQ and Shead, not to mention those point guard prospects are heavy ON BALL players which isn't a great fit with BI and Scottie.

I'm torn between which of Queen, Demin and Fleming will it be because I can see the logic behind each. Queen would be a hopeful long term replacement for Yak (if he measures out ok) but the bball IQ is such an obvious fit. He would make for a deadly PnR partner with pretty much anyone on the roster and with his own great passing ability/court vision and ability to collapse a defence with his post work, he would get guys like IQ, Gradey, JaKobe, Ochai, BI etc great looks on the perimeter that I think will be very hard for the FO to pass on as it would add yet another dimension to their offence and he's actually underrated defensively. With Demin, it's really an upside play which we know the FO loves to work on. If they ironed out some of Egor's game he could end up being one of the biggest steals in the draft and you would have your Vision 6'9 wings everywhere which leads to the last name....

Fleming to me is such a dark horse for our pick. I'm not sure that I personally would feel comfortable taking him that high in the draft but the kid is damn near the prototype of what our FO loves and almost fit the starting lineup to the tee AND possibly provide a small ball C option. Fleming's game is something like that of OG or Eason but he's actually BIGGER/longer than both. I think they'll have a hard time passing on a player like that, that's actually 6'9 (not 6'7 like those 2) and has a ridiculous 7'5 wingspan (not 7'3) - he has RWIII like measurements with Eason like game. He's damn near physically like a Serge/OG hybrid. Don't tell me the FO wouldn't kill to have a player of that mold right now next to Scottie & BI. There's just something I can't shake in my gut that Masai might take him if Maluach is gone.


We’re top 7 if we keep our draft position and don’t fall assuming we fall below BRk and Philly. I think at worst it’s Kon left out of the regularly mocked top 8 but at that point I’m trading the pick or taking Fears/Queen
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Post#1965 » by Thaddy » Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:52 pm

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We'll be LUCKY if Maluach falls to us and I'll be damn near over the moon just to get him nvm cracking the top 4 at this rate lol

But without luck, I'm expecting us to end up with one of Queen, Demin or Fleming.

I really don't think our FO will take another guard ie/ Fears or Kasp, even if a lot of people here might think one (or both) are better prospects. I just think they have a ton of faith in IQ and Shead, not to mention that guard prospects are heavy ON BALL players which isn't a great fit with BI and Scottie.

I'm torn between which of Queen, Demin and Fleming, I think they'll go because I can see the logic behind each. Queen would be a hopeful long term replacement for Yak (if he measures out ok) but the bball IQ is such an obvious fit. He would make for a deadly PnR partner with pretty much anyone on the roster and with his own great passing ability/court vision and ability to collapse a defence with his post work, he would get guys like IQ, Gradey, JaKobe, Ochai, BI etc great looks on the perimeter that I think will be very hard for the FO to pass on as it would add yet another dimension to their offence and he's actually underrated defensively. With Demin, it's really an upside play which we know the FO loves to work on. If they ironed out some of Egor's game he could end up being one of the biggest steals in the draft and you would have your Vision 6'9 wings everywhere which leads to the last name....

Fleming to me is such a dark horse for our pick. I'm not sure that I personally would feel comfortable taking him that high in the draft but the kid is damn near the prototype of what our FO loves and almost fit the starting lineup to the tee AND possibly provide a small ball C option. Fleming's game is something like that of OG or Eason but he's actually BIGGER/longer than both. I think they'll have a hard time passing on a player like that, that's actually 6'9 (not 6'7 like those 2) and has a ridiculous 7'5 wingspan (not 7'3). He's damn near physically like a Serge/OG hybrid. Don't tell me the FO wouldn't kill to have a player of that mold right now next to Scottie & BI. There's just something I can't shake in my gut that Masai might take him if Maluach is gone.

Maluach and Knueppel are going to be steals. Maluach has a bad block rate becaues he's playing conservatively.


Personally I don't buy Knueppel being much more than a high level role player and would pass on him but I do believe Maluach has the raw tools that this franchise could develop into something more.

What makes him a high level role player? He's a great shooter, passer, and looks like a better heavier version of Dick. His stock is being hurt playing behind Flagg. If he was on another team like Johnson's he would likely be a lot higher.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1966 » by PhilBlackson » Thu Mar 13, 2025 11:35 pm

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Thaddy wrote:Maluach and Knueppel are going to be steals. Maluach has a bad block rate becaues he's playing conservatively.


Personally I don't buy Knueppel being much more than a high level role player and would pass on him but I do believe Maluach has the raw tools that this franchise could develop into something more.

What makes him a high level role player? He's a great shooter, passer, and looks like a better heavier version of Dick. His stock is being hurt playing behind Flagg. If he was on another team like Johnson's he would likely be a lot higher.


I just find that comparison to Dick to be pretty funny considering your recent comments about Gradey and how much you've flip flopped in recent weeks to the point of agreeing to wanting or at least be willing to trade Gradey and I've also seen you make various negative comments about him as well.

But that comparison is also exactly why I don't like Knueppel because while I don't think it's a great comparison because Dick is far more about being a theoretical movement shooter where as Kon does a bit more off the dribble. I still think neither guy projects to be much more than a decent shooter that yes can be a good piece on a winning team but imo neither has any star potential due to their physical limitations and Kon might make up for some of it with a little bit of ballhandling but he's still like Gradey going to be a negative defender. He's not going to replace BI at SF which means he'd only barely get minutes at that position or fall DEEP into the never ending line up SGs we now have lol ie/ RJ, Ochai, JaKobe, Gradey, Battle, Lawson and arguably Rhoden. It would be such a pointless pick imo and not offer the upside of added benefits that other players would

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PhilBlackson wrote:
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We'll be LUCKY if Maluach falls to us and I'll be damn near over the moon just to get him nvm cracking the top 4 at this rate lol

But without luck, I'm expecting us to end up with one of Queen, Demin or Fleming.

I really don't think our FO will take another guard ie/ Fears or Kasp, even if a lot of people here might think one (or both) are better prospects. I just think they have a ton of faith in IQ and Shead, not to mention those point guard prospects are heavy ON BALL players which isn't a great fit with BI and Scottie.

I'm torn between which of Queen, Demin and Fleming will it be because I can see the logic behind each. Queen would be a hopeful long term replacement for Yak (if he measures out ok) but the bball IQ is such an obvious fit. He would make for a deadly PnR partner with pretty much anyone on the roster and with his own great passing ability/court vision and ability to collapse a defence with his post work, he would get guys like IQ, Gradey, JaKobe, Ochai, BI etc great looks on the perimeter that I think will be very hard for the FO to pass on as it would add yet another dimension to their offence and he's actually underrated defensively. With Demin, it's really an upside play which we know the FO loves to work on. If they ironed out some of Egor's game he could end up being one of the biggest steals in the draft and you would have your Vision 6'9 wings everywhere which leads to the last name....

Fleming to me is such a dark horse for our pick. I'm not sure that I personally would feel comfortable taking him that high in the draft but the kid is damn near the prototype of what our FO loves and almost fit the starting lineup to the tee AND possibly provide a small ball C option. Fleming's game is something like that of OG or Eason but he's actually BIGGER/longer than both. I think they'll have a hard time passing on a player like that, that's actually 6'9 (not 6'7 like those 2) and has a ridiculous 7'5 wingspan (not 7'3) - he has RWIII like measurements with Eason like game. He's damn near physically like a Serge/OG hybrid. Don't tell me the FO wouldn't kill to have a player of that mold right now next to Scottie & BI. There's just something I can't shake in my gut that Masai might take him if Maluach is gone.


We’re top 7 if we keep our draft position and don’t fall assuming we fall below BRk and Philly. I think at worst it’s Kon left out of the regularly mocked top 8 but at that point I’m trading the pick or taking Fears/Queen
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I personally REALLY like Fears but again just don't think the FO will pull the trigger on him because I believe they're heavily invested in IQ and Shead, not to mention Fears is a heavy on ball guard which I think they probably don't want considering they likely want the offence running through either Scottie or BI.

Queen on the otherhand I can see because he'd be a fantastic PnR partner for pretty much anyone on the team as he'd essentially play that "Marc Gasol" role (offensively) as a passing hub out of that position. Right now he's money from the mid range which will already help increase the spacing but in time like Gasol, I think he'll be able to add the 3ball to his game at least to a point where the defence will not just abandon him which of course will continue to stretch the floor. But he's also a bucket in the post that teams have to collapse or he can use his great passing to just find the open man. I think that could really bring the offence up another level and also depending on how he measures out he MIGHT be able to be Yak's eventual successor/makes Poeltl a great trade chip sooner vs later as Derik will likely be pretty damn good within a couple of years or so. The only concern is his measurements and will he actually need to play PF as Sabonis does which of course wouldn't be ideal but I still think adds more to what I'd think the FO would value more. But again I think people need to keep an eye out for them drafting Fleming because he's just so prototypical of what they've generally liked in the past, just saying.
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Post#1967 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Mar 13, 2025 11:41 pm

Yallbecrazy wrote:
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BoyzNTheHood wrote:I’d want a centre in the mold of Jak if we’re drafting one. The value Jak provides is unmatched and he’d be a great mentor. I’m not sure that guy is Maluach because they play a different style.

I’d prefer a guy like Condon to Maluach tbh


I think Sorber to me profiles most similarly to Jak. He has the post game, passing, and high level drop defense with some sneaky movement ability. He is also a strong physical presence.

I'd love to get Condon with our second pick, but as a high lottery pick it seems way too high for him. Is he that much better than a guy like Maxime Raynaud?

Maluach to me would be a nice fit with Chomche. I don't know if either change the franchise, but they have size and fit our profile. I scouted both way more last year in BAL when they were sort of hidden from sight, but in higher competition, I think they are both years away from being pros.



I haven't watched any of Raynaud, but a senior who has had a negative assist to turnover ratio his entire career, with the best being about 0.8 with a career high BPM of 7.4 and no stats that really stand out probably isn't worthy of a draft pick at all.

Condon on the other hand is a 2 sport athlete that only recently picked up the sport 5 years ago. He's a natural athlete that has an assist to turnover ratio above 2 which I haven't really seen before in a major conference from an underclassmen big (point forwards don't count). His BBIQ projects as outlier good, he's very aggressive and is leading one of the best teams in the country against the strongest conference in the history of college basketball.


devil's advocate..

florida is not that much better with condon on than off. haugh's efficiency as technical defender is about equal. walter clayton has the most substantial on/off split on that team and is the true driver of florida's success along with teamwide defensive ability and philosophy.

condon is also a power forward who might not be able to hold down c in nba and lacks pf skills. could be useful niche guy but associating him with poeltl seems like a fundamental error and there could be serious fit issues projecting him as nba starter. i get the fascination with his ast:to rate but if there are underlying issues he won't be able to take advantage of it on an nba court in the way you might think.

what if you slot him at the c in the nba and he just can't score over nba c's?

i would like to continue the discussion on him but actually now refuse to consider him as a starting C in the league so we will be talking about power forward condon.
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Post#1968 » by RealFaction » Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:04 am

PhilBlackson wrote:Fleming to me is such a dark horse for our pick.


He's the classic forward type we'd take and love for sure. A good plug & play skillset. I fear he goes top 10 with the combine and workouts.

With Flagg's injury, Malauch likely moves into the top 5 if he has a good tourney, or even the classic he gets taken one pick before us trope.

Queen is a good alternative if he measures well since he fits with Darko's system.

I'm bullish on Demin. In our system, we can develop him into a good starter, but like Scottie, I'm not sure if he'll ever be a reliable shooter, so his upside might not be that high at all. Fleming has a better chance of being a good wing than Egor being a good guard.
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Post#1969 » by Thaddy » Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:05 am

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I just find that comparison to Dick to be pretty funny considering your recent comments about Gradey and how much you've flip flopped in recent weeks to the point of agreeing to wanting or at least be willing to trade Gradey and I've also seen you make various negative comments about him as well.

But that comparison is also exactly why I don't like Knueppel because while I don't think it's a great comparison because Dick is far more about being a theoretical movement shooter where as Kon does a bit more off the dribble. I still think neither guy projects to be much more than a decent shooter that yes can be a good piece on a winning team but imo neither has any star potential due to their physical limitations and Kon might make up for some of it with a little bit of ballhandling but he's still like Gradey going to be a negative defender. He's not going to replace BI at SF which means he'd only barely get minutes at that position or fall DEEP into the never ending line up SGs we now have lol ie/ RJ, Ochai, JaKobe, Gradey, Battle, Lawson and arguably Rhoden. It would be such a pointless pick imo and not offer the upside of added benefits that other players would

Knueppel has more skills than Dick and he's heavier than him. I'm not flip flopping on Dick, he's a bad player. Knuppel is ranked higher than him for a reason and he's much better. He can shoot off the dribble and catch, handle the ball, and he hits Maluach for a ton of dunks.

Dick is a scrub he hasn't had a good season, the sophomore slump isn't real. In order to be in a slump you had to be good at some point which he never has been.

Knueppel can't be projected well, he's playing next to a generational star. Flagg went out and he exploded for a near 30 point game. This is why his stock is lower than it should be and he will likely be a steal.

The only funny thing is your posts and the lack of statistical evidence you put behind your rambling.

Knueppel is also more of a 2 than a 3 and he would fit in much better with our line up.
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Post#1970 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:15 am

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PhilBlackson wrote:Fleming to me is such a dark horse for our pick.


He's the classic forward type we'd take and love for sure. A good plug & play skillset. I fear he goes top 10 with the combine and workouts.

With Flagg's injury, Malauch likely moves into the top 5 if he has a good tourney, or even the classic he gets taken one pick before us trope.

Queen is a good alternative if he measures well since he fits with Darko's system.

I'm bullish on Demin. In our system, we can develop him into a good starter, but like Scottie, I'm not sure if he'll ever be a reliable shooter, so his upside might not be that high at all. Fleming has a better chance of being a good wing than Egor being a good guard.

I’m taking Dink Pate over Egor Demin at this point. He’s been pretty bad overall, but he has experience playing against grown men for 2 years and is still only 19.

Elite tools and size. Get him a jumper and you’re laughing all the way to the bank. If (big if) he pans out you’re talking about the #2 or #3 player in this class.
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Post#1971 » by DreamTeam09 » Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:19 am

Thaddy wrote:
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Thaddy wrote:Maluach and Knueppel are going to be steals. Maluach has a bad block rate becaues he's playing conservatively.


Personally I don't buy Knueppel being much more than a high level role player and would pass on him but I do believe Maluach has the raw tools that this franchise could develop into something more.

What makes him a high level role player? He's a great shooter, passer, and looks like a better heavier version of Dick. His stock is being hurt playing behind Flagg. If he was on another team like Johnson's he would likely be a lot higher.


He's not athletic and not really a creator, if he was by himself his %s probably fall / yeah I see high end role player as well, but that's not a bad thing.
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Post#1972 » by RealFaction » Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:29 am

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PhilBlackson wrote:Fleming to me is such a dark horse for our pick.


He's the classic forward type we'd take and love for sure. A good plug & play skillset. I fear he goes top 10 with the combine and workouts.

With Flagg's injury, Malauch likely moves into the top 5 if he has a good tourney, or even the classic he gets taken one pick before us trope.

Queen is a good alternative if he measures well since he fits with Darko's system.

I'm bullish on Demin. In our system, we can develop him into a good starter, but like Scottie, I'm not sure if he'll ever be a reliable shooter, so his upside might not be that high at all. Fleming has a better chance of being a good wing than Egor being a good guard.

I’m taking Dink Pate over Egor Demin at this point. He’s been pretty bad overall, but he has experience playing against grown men for 2 years and is still only 19.

Elite tools and size. Get him a jumper and you’re laughing all the way to the bank. If (big if) he pans out you’re talking about the #2 or #3 player in this class.


Where do you see him being drafted? I liked him last season as a guy we could develop since we had a multitude of 2024 picks, but he wasn't draft eligible. Now it seems like he might go undrafted unless someone really likes him enough as a high 2nd.
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Post#1973 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:32 am

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He's the classic forward type we'd take and love for sure. A good plug & play skillset. I fear he goes top 10 with the combine and workouts.

With Flagg's injury, Malauch likely moves into the top 5 if he has a good tourney, or even the classic he gets taken one pick before us trope.

Queen is a good alternative if he measures well since he fits with Darko's system.

I'm bullish on Demin. In our system, we can develop him into a good starter, but like Scottie, I'm not sure if he'll ever be a reliable shooter, so his upside might not be that high at all. Fleming has a better chance of being a good wing than Egor being a good guard.

I’m taking Dink Pate over Egor Demin at this point. He’s been pretty bad overall, but he has experience playing against grown men for 2 years and is still only 19.

Elite tools and size. Get him a jumper and you’re laughing all the way to the bank. If (big if) he pans out you’re talking about the #2 or #3 player in this class.


Where do you see him being drafted? I liked him last season as a guy we could develop since we had a multitude of 2024 picks, but he wasn't draft eligible. Now it seems like he might go undrafted unless someone really likes him enough as a high 2nd.

I see him projected in the second, but I’m thinking he gets picked no later than 30. I’d place him between 20-30. Those teams are the ones with time to develop guys, and Pate is perfect for that. Somewhere around the range AJ Johnson was picked.
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Post#1974 » by Thaddy » Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:53 am

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Personally I don't buy Knueppel being much more than a high level role player and would pass on him but I do believe Maluach has the raw tools that this franchise could develop into something more.

What makes him a high level role player? He's a great shooter, passer, and looks like a better heavier version of Dick. His stock is being hurt playing behind Flagg. If he was on another team like Johnson's he would likely be a lot higher.


He's not athletic and not really a creator, if he was by himself his %s probably fall / yeah I see high end role player as well, but that's not a bad thing.

He hasn't had the opportunity to be a creator playing behind Flagg his passing and handle has been pretty good. He isn't athletic but he's heavy and strong which has benefits too. He would be a better prospect than Dick by very far.
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Post#1975 » by PhilBlackson » Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:57 am

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I just find that comparison to Dick to be pretty funny considering your recent comments about Gradey and how much you've flip flopped in recent weeks to the point of agreeing to wanting or at least be willing to trade Gradey and I've also seen you make various negative comments about him as well.

But that comparison is also exactly why I don't like Knueppel because while I don't think it's a great comparison because Dick is far more about being a theoretical movement shooter where as Kon does a bit more off the dribble. I still think neither guy projects to be much more than a decent shooter that yes can be a good piece on a winning team but imo neither has any star potential due to their physical limitations and Kon might make up for some of it with a little bit of ballhandling but he's still like Gradey going to be a negative defender. He's not going to replace BI at SF which means he'd only barely get minutes at that position or fall DEEP into the never ending line up SGs we now have lol ie/ RJ, Ochai, JaKobe, Gradey, Battle, Lawson and arguably Rhoden. It would be such a pointless pick imo and not offer the upside of added benefits that other players would

Knueppel has more skills than Dick and he's heavier than him. I'm not flip flopping on Dick, he's a bad player. Knuppel is ranked higher than him for a reason and he's much better. He can shoot off the dribble and catch, handle the ball, and he hits Maluach for a ton of dunks.

Dick is a scrub he hasn't had a good season, the sophomore slump isn't real. In order to be in a slump you had to be good at some point which he never has been.

Knueppel can't be projected well, he's playing next to a generational star. Flagg went out and he exploded for a near 30 point game. This is why his stock is lower than it should be and he will likely be a steal.

The only funny thing is your posts and the lack of statistical evidence you put behind your rambling.

Knueppel is also more of a 2 than a 3 and he would fit in much better with our line up.


It's actually hilarious how embarrassing your post is that you're so emotional about Kon that you're actually completely LOST in what you're even saying/said :lol: I highlighted it so you can better follow...

1. I'm the one that CORRECTED YOU about the comparison! YOU ARE THE ONE WHO COMPARED KON TO GRADEY :lol: my God man keep up lol I don't need to provide any "statistical evidence", YOU DO because YOU are the one who drew the comparison. I was the one who said it WASN'T a good one and then explained why it isn't which you then in your incoherent response you LITERALLY repeated (keyword) back what I just told YOU made them different lol

2. The only comparison that I did make (and which of course is the part you never addressed) was defensively. Both are bad, if you want to say Gradey's worse idc lol I might even agree but the point is they're both not good and both not the answer long term at the position

But your last point about being more of a 2 than a 3 was also already addressed when I pointed out we don't need our literal 7th SG (RJ, JaKobe, Ochai, Gradey, Battle, Lawson....and you could potentially include Rhoden which would be 8 lol) on the roster when he's not a star prospect but more of a high level role player to go with the rest of them at the position but here you want to ironically call someone else's post a ramble :lol: foh.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1976 » by Thaddy » Fri Mar 14, 2025 3:11 am

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I just find that comparison to Dick to be pretty funny considering your recent comments about Gradey and how much you've flip flopped in recent weeks to the point of agreeing to wanting or at least be willing to trade Gradey and I've also seen you make various negative comments about him as well.

But that comparison is also exactly why I don't like Knueppel because while I don't think it's a great comparison because Dick is far more about being a theoretical movement shooter where as Kon does a bit more off the dribble. I still think neither guy projects to be much more than a decent shooter that yes can be a good piece on a winning team but imo neither has any star potential due to their physical limitations and Kon might make up for some of it with a little bit of ballhandling but he's still like Gradey going to be a negative defender. He's not going to replace BI at SF which means he'd only barely get minutes at that position or fall DEEP into the never ending line up SGs we now have lol ie/ RJ, Ochai, JaKobe, Gradey, Battle, Lawson and arguably Rhoden. It would be such a pointless pick imo and not offer the upside of added benefits that other players would

Knueppel has more skills than Dick and he's heavier than him. I'm not flip flopping on Dick, he's a bad player. Knuppel is ranked higher than him for a reason and he's much better. He can shoot off the dribble and catch, handle the ball, and he hits Maluach for a ton of dunks.

Dick is a scrub he hasn't had a good season, the sophomore slump isn't real. In order to be in a slump you had to be good at some point which he never has been.

Knueppel can't be projected well, he's playing next to a generational star. Flagg went out and he exploded for a near 30 point game. This is why his stock is lower than it should be and he will likely be a steal.

The only funny thing is your posts and the lack of statistical evidence you put behind your rambling.

Knueppel is also more of a 2 than a 3 and he would fit in much better with our line up.


It's actually hilarious how embarrassing your post is that you're so emotional about Kon that you're actually completely LOST in what you're even saying/said :lol: I highlighted it so you can better follow...

1. I'm the one that CORRECTED YOU about the comparison! YOU ARE THE ONE WHO COMPARED KON TO GRADEY :lol: my God man keep up lol I don't need to provide any "statistical evidence", YOU DO because YOU are the one who drew the comparison. I was the one who said it WASN'T a good one and then explained why it isn't which you then in your incoherent response you LITERALLY repeated (keyword) back what I just told YOU made them different lol

2. The only comparison that I did make (and which of course is the part you never addressed) was defensively. Both are bad, if you want to say Gradey's worse idc lol I might even agree but the point is they're both not good and both not the answer long term at the position

But your last point about being more of a 2 than a 3 was also already addressed when I pointed out we don't need our literal 7th SG (RJ, JaKobe, Ochai, Gradey, Battle, Lawson....and you could potentially include Rhoden which would be 8 lol) on the roster when he's not a star prospect but more of a high level role player to go with the rest of them at the position but here you want to ironically call someone else's post a ramble :lol: foh.

You are capitalizing and seem to be screaming in your post, chill lol.

Kon and Gradey are similar but not the same. Kon is Gradey+. He's similarly a good stationary shooter but he's showing more in between game, handles, and ability to use the pick and roll. He also weighs 30lbs+ more than Dick.

There's more of a talent problem which needs to be addressed first. RJ, Agbaji, Battle, Lawson, and JaKobe can also play at the 3, we aren't losing too much by putting them there. The front office isn't selling the rebuilding and develop angle too well, it will never happen in a single year. Next year isn't going to a championship year it's going to be a rebuild year where we will be in the play in with a losing record. A balanced line up with worse players isn't helping us.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1977 » by Psubs » Fri Mar 14, 2025 3:55 am

BoyzNTheHood wrote:Draft him and give him the ultimate green light

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Evans looks like Jamal Crawford that shoots a higher %.
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Post#1978 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Mar 14, 2025 4:04 am

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Evans looks like Jamal Crawford that shoots a higher %.

Jamal Crawford has a top 5 handle all time, Evans does not. He’s more of a Jordan Clarkson type. But if Isaiah works on developing an elite handle to go along with that shot? Boy…
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
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Post#1979 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Fri Mar 14, 2025 4:54 am

As prospect, Kon has higher defensive floor than Dick but not the theoretical ceiling. At Kansas Dick was an absolute flimsy turnstile on D but got in the passing lanes dove for loose balls and took some charges. So the thinking was if he could improve his DFG% by bulking up and making modest gains denying offensive actions he would be pretty good at both forcing turnovers and contain+contest.

Kon on the other hand is weaker at forcing turnovers and isn't as athletic as Dick but a much better team defender who doesn't allow many defensive breakdowns.

Ultimately Kon's athleticism falls short of allowing him to be a surprise Korver or even jumbo Grayson but he's just very good at movement shooting, keeping ball moving and playing mistake-free ball while possibly being able to contribute an orb and stl p36 in nba. If Kon had Dick's athleticism he'd have better possible outcomes.

They both could use some of the traits that the other possesses.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1980 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:46 pm

The end to the OU/KU game was wild!

OU down 10 with 1:20 remaining..

Fears driving layup (and 1) • 72-80

Fears makes 1 free throw • 73-80

Layup by Elvis • 75-80

Carr free throw • 75-81

Fears free throws • 77-81

Kobe Brea free throws • 77-83

Fears three pointer • 80-83

Moore layup assisted by Fears • 82-83

Fears layup with 6 seconds remaining • 84-83

Oweh layup with 1 second remaining • 84-85

Final score: OU 84/KU 85
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