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ctorres wrote:ctorres wrote:I wonder if ESPN would actually discuss this exchange on First Take tomorrow. Dissension between Thibs and Mikal would definitely attract views on social media.
I called it
SAS arguing from Mikal's side
Perk arguing from Thibs' side
seren wrote:I can’t imagine Precious is happy now going from hero to zero for instance. You have to keep the whole team together even if that means losing a game or two during the season.
Your new head coach, Rick Brunson!mpharris36 wrote:https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxazJbq8_WSE8MR4jqyZnLfP3SYQt_JLbk?si=_G4MZtADo_x_Vi4f
wild on the roomates pod with brunson and hart...dolan was on and he even tries to talk to the coach about minutes and rotations and he wants non of it...he's a crazy stubborn man
mpharris36 wrote:https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxazJbq8_WSE8MR4jqyZnLfP3SYQt_JLbk?si=_G4MZtADo_x_Vi4f
wild on the roomates pod with brunson and hart...dolan was on and he even tries to talk to the coach about minutes and rotations and he wants non of it...he's a crazy stubborn man
mpharris36 wrote:https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxazJbq8_WSE8MR4jqyZnLfP3SYQt_JLbk?si=_G4MZtADo_x_Vi4f
wild on the roomates pod with brunson and hart...dolan was on and he even tries to talk to the coach about minutes and rotations and he wants non of it...he's a crazy stubborn man
FrozenEnvelope wrote:However I do have an issue with Kal voicing this to the media. Bet Leon is pissed cause this is the first time we had something like this happen under his watch.
thebuzzardman wrote:More vile Thibs slander in here. Minucrat bots very active. Someone talk to Howard about moderating the site for hateful anti coach driven disinformation!
spree8 wrote:FrozenEnvelope wrote:However I do have an issue with Kal voicing this to the media. Bet Leon is pissed cause this is the first time we had something like this happen under his watch.
First time? Several players have publicly voiced their grievances with too many or too little minutes and coaching… Mitch, Hart, Grimes, etc..
Josh/KAT/JB have all mentioned minutes prior to this. In one way or another they have all mentioned minutes and being tired. This isn't something new. Thibs runs his players into the ground. Period end of story.
RIP mags
mpharris36 wrote:https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxazJbq8_WSE8MR4jqyZnLfP3SYQt_JLbk?si=_G4MZtADo_x_Vi4f
wild on the roomates pod with brunson and hart...dolan was on and he even tries to talk to the coach about minutes and rotations and he wants non of it...he's a crazy stubborn man
mpharris36 wrote:https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxazJbq8_WSE8MR4jqyZnLfP3SYQt_JLbk?si=_G4MZtADo_x_Vi4f
wild on the roomates pod with brunson and hart...dolan was on and he even tries to talk to the coach about minutes and rotations and he wants non of it...he's a crazy stubborn man
And rumor has it, I shared with DiVincenzo, that Thibodeau practices aren’t nearly as hard as advertised these days.
“They’re not,” DiVincenzo confirmed. “I played for (the Warriors’ Steve) Kerr and played for Coach Bud (former Bucks coach Mike Budenholzer). It’s not like you come here and all of a sudden you’re just running track every day (in practice). I think what he does by far better than anybody I’ve been around is he’s the most prepared. So it doesn’t necessarily mean you have to go for two hours on your feet and running. But when you’re in there, you’re gonna lock in and you’re gonna get the stuff done and we’re gonna get out of there.”
Despite all that, one Western Conference GM said his team has studied the medical data and there's no incontrovertible proof that playing a high volume of minutes results in injury. Chicago Bulls forward DeMar DeRozan, for example, led the league in minutes per game (37.8) at 33 years old, appeared in 79 games and finished second to Steph Curry for clutch player of the year honors.
"Generally, there's no evidence playing more is bad for a team, short- or long-term, but Thibs is definitely at the outer edge," he said. "It definitely looks bad for him, and the more you play, the more chance you have of getting injured. But I still think that's too simple. I doubt any doctor would say (Hart's) abdominal injury was likely caused by too many minutes. Robinson hardly played and got injured. It's an easy take to say Thibs grinds on his guys, but, again, I don't think there's evidence. Plus, if he didn't play them this much, they lose to Philly in the first round and none of this is an issue."
An Eastern Conference scout agreed. "Could some of the injuries have been prevented by playing Alec Burks and Precious Achiuwa more off the bench?" he asked. "Possibly. But players who are well-rested suffer injuries, too. Fatigue could contribute, for sure, but it's very difficult to assign if it's that or just bad luck."
The Western Conference GM did have a caveat. While he wouldn't draw a direct line from Thibs' approach to the spate of injuries, he wouldn't want his coach to take the same philosophy for reasons beyond assuring health in the postseason
spree8 wrote:mpharris36 wrote:https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxazJbq8_WSE8MR4jqyZnLfP3SYQt_JLbk?si=_G4MZtADo_x_Vi4f
wild on the roomates pod with brunson and hart...dolan was on and he even tries to talk to the coach about minutes and rotations and he wants non of it...he's a crazy stubborn man
Wow he also revealed we almost traded for Vince Carter in 05’… Marbury n Vince would’ve been nice. Medical staff blew it
Jalen Bluntson wrote:spree8 wrote:FrozenEnvelope wrote:However I do have an issue with Kal voicing this to the media. Bet Leon is pissed cause this is the first time we had something like this happen under his watch.
First time? Several players have publicly voiced their grievances with too many or too little minutes and coaching… Mitch, Hart, Grimes, etc..
joec32033 wrote:I posted this in another forum, but am going to post it here too....
Can we PLEASE stop pretending he doesn't even it out?
From about 4:15-
So we are believing Bridges and believing Brunson and Hart are liars. I am keeping in mind that at the time of their respective comments Brunson has his extension coming up (just like Bridges) and I think Hart just signed his.And rumor has it, I shared with DiVincenzo, that Thibodeau practices aren’t nearly as hard as advertised these days.
“They’re not,” DiVincenzo confirmed. “I played for (the Warriors’ Steve) Kerr and played for Coach Bud (former Bucks coach Mike Budenholzer). It’s not like you come here and all of a sudden you’re just running track every day (in practice). I think what he does by far better than anybody I’ve been around is he’s the most prepared. So it doesn’t necessarily mean you have to go for two hours on your feet and running. But when you’re in there, you’re gonna lock in and you’re gonna get the stuff done and we’re gonna get out of there.”
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5361403/2024/03/22/tom-thibodeau-knicks-donte-divincenzo/Despite all that, one Western Conference GM said his team has studied the medical data and there's no incontrovertible proof that playing a high volume of minutes results in injury. Chicago Bulls forward DeMar DeRozan, for example, led the league in minutes per game (37.8) at 33 years old, appeared in 79 games and finished second to Steph Curry for clutch player of the year honors.
"Generally, there's no evidence playing more is bad for a team, short- or long-term, but Thibs is definitely at the outer edge," he said. "It definitely looks bad for him, and the more you play, the more chance you have of getting injured. But I still think that's too simple. I doubt any doctor would say (Hart's) abdominal injury was likely caused by too many minutes. Robinson hardly played and got injured. It's an easy take to say Thibs grinds on his guys, but, again, I don't think there's evidence. Plus, if he didn't play them this much, they lose to Philly in the first round and none of this is an issue."
An Eastern Conference scout agreed. "Could some of the injuries have been prevented by playing Alec Burks and Precious Achiuwa more off the bench?" he asked. "Possibly. But players who are well-rested suffer injuries, too. Fatigue could contribute, for sure, but it's very difficult to assign if it's that or just bad luck."
The Western Conference GM did have a caveat. While he wouldn't draw a direct line from Thibs' approach to the spate of injuries, he wouldn't want his coach to take the same philosophy for reasons beyond assuring health in the postseason
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/nba-confidential-thibs-method-successful-or-shortsighted
RIP magsspree8 wrote:mpharris36 wrote:https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxazJbq8_WSE8MR4jqyZnLfP3SYQt_JLbk?si=_G4MZtADo_x_Vi4f
wild on the roomates pod with brunson and hart...dolan was on and he even tries to talk to the coach about minutes and rotations and he wants non of it...he's a crazy stubborn man
Wow he also revealed we almost traded for Vince Carter in 05’… Marbury n Vince would’ve been nice. Medical staff blew it