Jimmy Butler Awesome Trade, Great Job!

[floppymoose]

I'm telling you, much like I told the Miami fans 6 years ago, he has 2 very distinct modes a laid-back do everything player and a being a scorer 1st mode.

Ok. But that was 2017–2018. Curry could just take over back then too. These players are older now. I think they are going to have to play smart team basketball to advance.

[AirP.]

I'm telling you, much like I told the Miami fans 6 years ago, he has 2 very distinct modes a laid-back do everything player and a being a scorer 1st mode.

Ok. But that was 2017–2018. Curry could just take over back then too. These players are older now. I think they are going to have to play smart team basketball to advance.

That was in 2019, (almost 6 years I guess) time's flying by!

How far do you think Butler has declined in a less than a season? The one thing that worries me that has worried me for the past 5 years... an injury with a player falling into his legs/knee. Just keep looking for him to talk **** or he starts taking jump shots from 3pt range, not those 3pt set shots. He just feels like he doesn't have to be a scorer to make a team win and I think you're seeing how his play makes everyone else better which should give you an understanding how a bad roster in Miami with Butler and Bam could have gotten to the ECF 3 out of 5 years and to the finals twice.

He's played a scorer a few times in Miami this year and had a few 30+ point games.

He had a 33pts, 9 reb, 6 ast against the Mavs (there's some highlights may make you feel better)

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He later put up 35pts, 19 reb, 10 ast vs Detroit (not a lot of highlights, just some effort).

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Truth be told, I'm also a big fan of Draymond Green, I love high bbiq players and high effort players. I had been a lifelong Bulls fan (recognize it was a horrible organization and decided to follow Butler when he got traded) and it destroyed me to find out Thibodeau wanted to draft D.Green but the FO overruled him and took Marquis Teage (one of the worst nba players ever, he was a "project") at the end of the 1st round.

[Sandy333]

Iam worried about lack of scoring from Jimmy. He acknowledged he was out of shape at trade. If he is atleast 80% of playoff Jimmy, we will do well. If teams figure out and start the Looney treatment, we will be in trouble shortly.
Apart from the stats, It was heartening to see the resilience from the today when kings made the runs with the ref also also trying to even up the fouls for the kings.
Team from earlier would have collapsed.

This is the question I keep hearing every stop Butler's been at since leaving Chicago since he doesn't go all out offensively in most regular season games.

The only real way for people outside of the organization to know where Butler is offensively without him seeing him in do it in games would be to have some reporters (who sometimes can watch some of the practices) or podcasters interview some of the younger players and ask how they did against him in after practice in one-on-one games, Butler's been doing this basically every stop he's been at.

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This was as of Feb 1st this year although Butler had fewer games because of... suspensions and being sick.

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So Jimmy is the coach we never had. Makes sense. Kerr is just a glorified motivational speaker. Many here. Including me had been calling for Kerr to be replaced most of this season. Suddenly with Jimmy doing the coaching, team looks coached, and Kerr looks likes coach again.

[wco81]

Watching Celtics vs. Heat now.

Wiggins has twice attacked the rim, jumping off both feet to either force contact or just go up strong.

It's reminiscent of the time he went up and crashed into Chet Holmgren, breaking his hip.

Hoping Butler will do some of that. He does seek contact to get to the line. But only see him go up strong just a couple of times since he arrived. Both were uncontested so he went up two hands for emphatic dunks.

Yeah he needs to be looking to get his own. Those short passes, almost handoffs, to Podz or other shaky shooters or shot creators towards the end of the shot clock are not it.

If he's going to be paid like a superstar, he has to look more to get his.

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

Iam worried about lack of scoring from Jimmy. He acknowledged he was out of shape at trade. If he is atleast 80% of playoff Jimmy, we will do well. If teams figure out and start the Looney treatment, we will be in trouble shortly.
Apart from the stats, It was heartening to see the resilience from the today when kings made the runs with the ref also also trying to even up the fouls for the kings.
Team from earlier would have collapsed.

Spoiler:

This is the question I keep hearing every stop Butler's been at since leaving Chicago since he doesn't go all out offensively in most regular season games.

The only real way for people outside of the organization to know where Butler is offensively without him seeing him in do it in games would be to have some reporters (who sometimes can watch some of the practices) or podcasters interview some of the younger players and ask how they did against him in after practice in one-on-one games, Butler's been doing this basically every stop he's been at.

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Spoiler:

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Spoiler:

This was as of Feb 1st this year although Butler had fewer games because of... suspensions and being sick.

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So Jimmy is the coach we never had. Makes sense. Kerr is just a glorified motivational speaker. Many here. Including me had been calling for Kerr to be replaced most if this season. Suddenly with Jimmy doing the coaching, Kerr looks likes s coach again.

Coaching is very interesting at the NBA level. Of course, they decide the offensive and defensive schemes but it's up to the players to understand how to be successful in those schemes, I think a coach just needs to make sure everyone is moving towards a specific goal like winning or development and just not over complicate things and let your player make plays. Since I've been following Miami, Butler, PJ Tucker and K.Lowry all made incredible high bbiq plays most never noticed and it's why although they may not have scored much the offenses were very good with them on the court.

Someone posted a recent high bbiq play from Butler that you don't draw up, Butler's reading the defense, understands how the ball movement can manipulate the defense and with that, set a pick on his own man to get Moody a clean look for a 3.

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Or Butler on the bench talking to C.Martin about where he needs to go to get a good look.

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Draymond does things like this too that I'm guessing Warrior fans have known for years.

[AirP.]

Watching Celtics vs. Heat now.

Wiggins has twice attacked the rim, jumping off both feet to either force contact or just go up strong.

It's reminiscent of the time he went up and crashed into Chet Holmgren, breaking his hip.

Hoping Butler will do some of that. He does seek contact to get to the line. But only see him go up strong just a couple of times since he arrived. Both were uncontested so he went up two hands for emphatic dunks.

Yeah he needs to be looking to get his own. Those short passes, almost handoffs, to Podz or other shaky shooters or shot creators towards the end of the shot clock are not it.

If he's going to be paid like a superstar, he has to look more to get his.

You're going to be disappointed most of the time.

“When I walked in, I was like, ‘Yo, look man, I’m only here to win,’” Butler told Andscape. “’I don’t care about nothing else. I don’t care about points. I don’t care about shots. I don’t care about none of that. I’m only here to win and I’ve always only been places to win. So, whatever y’all need me to do, y’all let me know.’

https://andscape.com/features/jimmy-butler-is-only-here-to-win-with-golden-state-warriors/

You had Wiggins, Schroeder and Anderson for about the same amount of money and were .500 in over half the season. You replaced all 3 of them with 1 player and became a much better team.

[WarriorGM]

Watching Celtics vs. Heat now.

Wiggins has twice attacked the rim, jumping off both feet to either force contact or just go up strong.

It's reminiscent of the time he went up and crashed into Chet Holmgren, breaking his hip.

Hoping Butler will do some of that. He does seek contact to get to the line. But only see him go up strong just a couple of times since he arrived. Both were uncontested so he went up two hands for emphatic dunks.

Yeah he needs to be looking to get his own. Those short passes, almost handoffs, to Podz or other shaky shooters or shot creators towards the end of the shot clock are not it.

If he's going to be paid like a superstar, he has to look more to get his.

You're going to be disappointed most of the time.

“When I walked in, I was like, ‘Yo, look man, I’m only here to win,’” Butler told Andscape. “’I don’t care about nothing else. I don’t care about points. I don’t care about shots. I don’t care about none of that. I’m only here to win and I’ve always only been places to win. So, whatever y’all need me to do, y’all let me know.’

https://andscape.com/features/jimmy-butler-is-only-here-to-win-with-golden-state-warriors/

You had Wiggins, Schroeder and Anderson for about the same amount of money and were .500 in over half the season. You replaced all 3 of them with 1 player and became a much better team.

Welcome. Don't mind the Debbie Downers around here so much. They've had Curry for over 15 seasons and the majority of them still seem hesitant to accept they've had the best player in the league over that period. Probably trauma from all the losing that came before.

[HiRez]

You had Wiggins, Schroeder and Anderson for about the same amount of money and were .500 in over half the season. You replaced all 3 of them with 1 player and became a much better team.

Yeah, kind of amazing how they supposedly had depth, traded 3 rotation players for 1 in what initially looked like a consolidation trade, but they now somehow appear to be even deeper. They've got probably 11 guys now who could legitimately be rotation pieces in Steph, Dray, Jimmy, Podz, Kuminga, Hield, GP2, Moody, Post, Loon, and Santos. Jury still out on Post and Santos but hard to sit them right now. Then you still have Spencer and TJD in the "break glass in case of emergency" category and you could do a lot worse there.

Best part is the lineup is neither too top heavy nor spread too thin. My biggest concerns are health (obviously), size against teams with huge front lines, and how Jimmy and Steph get blended with all the other lineups. Those role players are clearly better with one or both in the lineup but it's not possible at all times, and ideally you want to see Steph and Jimmy together as much as possible.

[AirP.]

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[Twinkie defense]

Watching Celtics vs. Heat now.

Wiggins has twice attacked the rim, jumping off both feet to either force contact or just go up strong.

It's reminiscent of the time he went up and crashed into Chet Holmgren, breaking his hip.

Hoping Butler will do some of that. He does seek contact to get to the line. But only see him go up strong just a couple of times since he arrived. Both were uncontested so he went up two hands for emphatic dunks.

Yeah he needs to be looking to get his own. Those short passes, almost handoffs, to Podz or other shaky shooters or shot creators towards the end of the shot clock are not it.

If he's going to be paid like a superstar, he has to look more to get his.

[Twinkie defense]

Draymond does things like this too that I'm guessing Warrior fans have known for years.

Unfortunately many Warriors bandwagon fans have little appreciation for Draymond Green OR Steve Kerr

[michaelm]

Watching Celtics vs. Heat now.

Wiggins has twice attacked the rim, jumping off both feet to either force contact or just go up strong.

It's reminiscent of the time he went up and crashed into Chet Holmgren, breaking his hip.

Hoping Butler will do some of that. He does seek contact to get to the line. But only see him go up strong just a couple of times since he arrived. Both were uncontested so he went up two hands for emphatic dunks.

Yeah he needs to be looking to get his own. Those short passes, almost handoffs, to Podz or other shaky shooters or shot creators towards the end of the shot clock are not it.

If he's going to be paid like a superstar, he has to look more to get his.

I am happy to pay him like a superstar if the team’s record continues to be what it has been since he joined.

[Jester_]

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People around here have no idea who Jimmy is as a player. That's why most people opposed the trade

This is the dude who 2 years ago took a massively mediocre roster to the finals.... for the second time. He's made a career of turning **** in the playoffs and willing his team to winning.

[AirP.]

Draymond does things like this too that I'm guessing Warrior fans have known for years.

Unfortunately many Warriors bandwagon fans have little appreciation for Draymond Green OR Steve Kerr ontknow:

This play on nba.com show's Butler running a hammer play (Butler runs this ALOT and sometimes it's not under the basket but from the wing to in front of the basket) and Draymond improvising on the fly on it. Draymond receives no stats for it but he absolutely helped in the assist.

1 - Butler faces up with Murray on him.
2 - Draymond tells Hield to go further into the corner to make the passing angle easier for Butler.
3 - Butler goes by Murray, Buddy's man LaVine comes over to help on Butler.
4 - Draymond's man, Sabonis now has to cover multiple passing lanes with Buddy is in the corner, Draymond is out on the wing spacing, Sabonis is in the right spot.
5 - When Sabonis looks back to check where Draymond is, Draymond dives to the basket making Sabonis have to defend the pass for an easy layup/dunk leaving Hield more open than he would have been had Draymond stayed at the 3pt line.
6 - Butler makes the pass to Buddy and Hield hits it.

What is great about this is that Draymond knows Hield is the better 3pt shooter, he could have stayed out at the 3pt line and had the pass go to Hield and then probably swung over to himself (Draymond) for a 3 (Curry's man wasn't leaving him for Draymond), but instead he made sure the better shooter got an open look.

[ILOVEIT]

Anyone realize that the single addition of Jimmy Butler has solved the Warriors historically bad turnover habits???

Even Durant played too fast. Jimmy slows the entire game down and cuts the other team to shreds like a surgeon. No risky passing....no fancy garbage....he just get's it done.

[Impuniti]

Anyone realize that the single addition of Jimmy Butler has solved the Warriors historically bad turnover habits???

Even Durant played too fast. Jimmy slows the entire game down and cuts the other team to shreds like a surgeon. No risky passing....no fancy garbage....he just get's it done.

He's solved a lot of the weaknesses of the team

- Lower TO rates
- More FTs made
- Slowed the pace down at times to give guys like Steph and Dray more rest during plays
- Less predictable team that relies on 3s
- Whenever Dray is acting like a mad man, the Warriors can give the ball to Jimmy to calm things down
- Obviously just better defensively overall, on and off.

The team's attack is a lot more balanced now.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Draymond does things like this too that I'm guessing Warrior fans have known for years.

Unfortunately many Warriors bandwagon fans have little appreciation for Draymond Green OR Steve Kerr

This is the real crime around here. Curry is pretty easy to like and appreciate for even the most casual of fans. But the basketball genius of Dray and Kerr takes a fan with a deep understanding of the game to appreciate.

[bay2hk]

One other great outcome that has come out of this trade was us keeping the Heat’s 2nd round pick. It’s top 37 protected so as long as Heat stays in the play ins we will get a low 40 or high 30 second round pick.

The draft capital to acquire Jimmy was one late frp and 2 srps from the schoeder trade. We also got rid of Kyle’s bad contract which would have required at least 2 srp. Essentially net-net, we traded Wiggins plus this years frp down 15 - 20 spots to acquire Jimmy. A+ trade all around.

[AirP.]

One other great outcome that has come out of this trade was us keeping the Heat’s 2nd round pick. It’s top 37 protected so as long as Heat stays in the play ins we will get a low 40 or high 30 second round pick.

The draft capital to acquire Jimmy was one late frp and 2 srps from the schoeder trade. We also got rid of Kyle’s bad contract which would have required at least 2 srp. Essentially net-net, we traded Wiggins plus this years frp down 15 - 20 spots to acquire Jimmy. A+ trade all around.

You can usually buy a 2nd round pick if you want. It's what you did to get Jordan Bell which was another indication of why I needed to quit following the Bulls (was a life long Bulls fan). The FO said they were going to rebuild so they traded Butler which let them swap from 16 to 8 to get Markkanen and then solid their top of the 2nd round pick. Chicago fans deserve better.

[wco81]

One other great outcome that has come out of this trade was us keeping the Heat’s 2nd round pick. It’s top 37 protected so as long as Heat stays in the play ins we will get a low 40 or high 30 second round pick.

The draft capital to acquire Jimmy was one late frp and 2 srps from the schoeder trade. We also got rid of Kyle’s bad contract which would have required at least 2 srp. Essentially net-net, we traded Wiggins plus this years frp down 15 - 20 spots to acquire Jimmy. A+ trade all around.

You can usually buy a 2nd round pick if you want. It's what you did to get Jordan Bell which was another indication of why I needed to quit following the Bulls (was a life long Bulls fan). The FO said they were going to rebuild so they traded Butler which let them swap from 16 to 8 to get Markkanen and then solid their top of the 2nd round pick. Chicago fans deserve better.

I don't think that's true any more. When is the last time any team bought a 2nd round pick?

Many teams have huge payrolls so they're looking to fill out rosters with cheap players, including 2nd round picks who could take up 2-way slots.

Either that or 2nd round picks are like fodder for trades.