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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd 

Post#1301 » by TerrenceClarke » Sat Mar 15, 2025 2:47 am

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Honestly ?
That it’s a vet QB that Myles feels makes them competitive.

It goes back to what I said earlier in the week. I don’t think they give MG all that bread unless they want to win games. I personally never bought the SS stuff with them cause the browns is kind of a win now team.

I dont see him as the troll type …so I can only assume it’s not a rookie QB.


But wouldn't the most ready plug and play rookie make sense there if they do go the draft route?

Even though I don't think Sanders has wards upside. I do feel he is pretty plug and play with the mental side of the game. And most people think Stefanski's system (west coast style) kinda is well suited for a player of Sanders skill set.

Who knows what they told Garrett...but obviously they $$$ and they must have made him feel good about there plan at QB. I don't know if a player like Garrett would be giddy over a Joe Flacco or a run of the mill vet.


You consider Sander plug and play now ? Awwww ****. You coming around lol.

I means it’s possible that he is viewed like that by them, i don’t know.

Myles said something of the effect “ it looks like we can make it happen”

If it was simply a draft pick, I feel like the language would be different. More of a certainty …since they guaranteed they will get a QB at 2

I mean ya man Milton on the block so there is also trade options out there.

Who knows. All I can say is he didn’t get rookie vibes from it.
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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd 

Post#1302 » by mpharris36 » Sat Mar 15, 2025 3:31 am

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Honestly ?
That it’s a vet QB that Myles feels makes them competitive.

It goes back to what I said earlier in the week. I don’t think they give MG all that bread unless they want to win games. I personally never bought the SS stuff with them cause the browns is kind of a win now team.

I dont see him as the troll type …so I can only assume it’s not a rookie QB.


But wouldn't the most ready plug and play rookie make sense there if they do go the draft route?

Even though I don't think Sanders has wards upside. I do feel he is pretty plug and play with the mental side of the game. And most people think Stefanski's system (west coast style) kinda is well suited for a player of Sanders skill set.

Who knows what they told Garrett...but obviously they $$$ and they must have made him feel good about there plan at QB. I don't know if a player like Garrett would be giddy over a Joe Flacco or a run of the mill vet.


You consider Sander plug and play now ? Awwww ****. You coming around lol.

I means it’s possible that he is viewed like that by them, i don’t know.

Myles said something of the effect “ it looks like we can make it happen”

If it was simply a draft pick, I feel like the language would be different. More of a certainty …since they guaranteed they will get a QB at 2

I mean ya man Milton on the block so there is also trade options out there.

Who knows. All I can say is he didn’t get rookie vibes from it.


Why do you think I don't like Sanders? I have never said I didn't like him :lol:

I think he is pretty plug and play. My concerns is his ceiling and whats the high end for him at the NFL level. I believe Wards ceiling is higher which is why I like him better. Doesn't mean I don't like Sanders, in terms of the mental side and being able to grasp an NFL offense I think he is ahead of Ward right now and has a pretty high floor, but I believe in Wards ceiling because of the physical tools. I also think Carter is a generational type pass rusher. So I really like him. Those are the only 2 players I have head and shoulders above Sanders. With Hunter I'm so/so. I think he is a crazy good player. But his true value is playing both ways (since I think there is arguably a better CB and WR in this class) he just is better because he plays both. But how can he survive in the NFL playing both ways. There is no such thing as a part time DB (defensive requires so much scheming he has to be a full time CB and a gadget type WR - and you can make the argument he is more of a natural WR than DB) which is super valuable but the game is won with QB play and in the trenches and he doesn't help with either.
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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd 

Post#1303 » by DOT » Sat Mar 15, 2025 3:41 am

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It's sunk cost at this point. I mean, are you saying they shouldn't try to get a QB for the next 3 years if it costs money or a high pick? That's basically giving up and no gm is surviving that

I'm saying they don't really get the biggest benefit of having a QB on a rookie contract if they draft one this year, and it would be a detriment to Shedeur if they did draft him

Imagine if Brock Purdy breaks out but the 49ers owe Garoppolo $172 million. Sure, you have a good QB, but you don't really get the ability to build around him by supplementing the roster with expensive talent, you have to build like you have a high end QB contract from the start, because you do.


Understood. But at the same time you don’t pass on having someone like Purdy on a great deal because of that. It’s actually what you need to look for. I mean, hypothetically Purdy is making almost nothing. So if you can’t build around his salary, you can’t build around anyone and you’re basically giving up.

I mean, you can't

That's what I'm saying

It's not giving up, it's taking your medicine for a couple years. You have an excuse to play the awful contract QB, use it and just get it over with

I would rather roll the dice in 2 more years than handicap my ability to develop a rookie drafted this year.
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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd 

Post#1304 » by TerrenceClarke » Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:22 am

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But wouldn't the most ready plug and play rookie make sense there if they do go the draft route?

Even though I don't think Sanders has wards upside. I do feel he is pretty plug and play with the mental side of the game. And most people think Stefanski's system (west coast style) kinda is well suited for a player of Sanders skill set.

Who knows what they told Garrett...but obviously they $$$ and they must have made him feel good about there plan at QB. I don't know if a player like Garrett would be giddy over a Joe Flacco or a run of the mill vet.


You consider Sander plug and play now ? Awwww ****. You coming around lol.

I means it’s possible that he is viewed like that by them, i don’t know.

Myles said something of the effect “ it looks like we can make it happen”

If it was simply a draft pick, I feel like the language would be different. More of a certainty …since they guaranteed they will get a QB at 2

I mean ya man Milton on the block so there is also trade options out there.

Who knows. All I can say is he didn’t get rookie vibes from it.


Why do you think I don't like Sanders? I have never said I didn't like him :lol:

I think he is pretty plug and play. My concerns is his ceiling and whats the high end for him at the NFL level. I believe Wards ceiling is higher which is why I like him better. Doesn't mean I don't like Sanders, in terms of the mental side and being able to grasp an NFL offense I think he is ahead of Ward right now and has a pretty high floor, but I believe in Wards ceiling because of the physical tools. I also think Carter is a generational type pass rusher. So I really like him. Those are the only 2 players I have head and shoulders above Sanders. With Hunter I'm so/so. I think he is a crazy good player. But his true value is playing both ways (since I think there is arguably a better CB and WR in this class) he just is better because he plays both. But how can he survive in the NFL playing both ways. There is no such thing as a part time DB (defensive requires so much scheming he has to be a full time CB and a gadget type WR - and you can make the argument he is more of a natural WR than DB) which is super valuable but the game is won with QB play and in the trenches and he doesn't help with either.


You didn’t have to explain your stance. Y’all take me way to literal sometimes lol.

Yeah with Hunter his value isn’t all that if he not playing both, which he won’t be doing in the nfl with a regularity .He was getting nicked up a lot in Colorado doing it.

Still a good pick, but yeah you can argue he is not the best at either position.

You know I rock with Carter.

I’m just on the QB train right now. I get it Ward pops more, but unless they trade we don’t have no shot. So I move on to who next up.

You know I don’t rock with schoen like that, but as I said before, if SS failed as the pick, I would not fault him. Im not afraid of failure here. You just have to move on. Similar to what the Bears did.

It’s like with the Knicks, bthere were plenty of times before Brunson, we kept passing on the need of the team, hoping to strike magic at another position, and it kept holding us back even more.

Like we KNOW we NEEDED a PG, and still picked Obi Toppin. Haliburton may not be liked here, but he is a hell of a player and would have been a great pick for us. People overly nit picked his flaws vs his strengths the same way I feel people do with SS.



Unlike the NBA, we not finding a Jalen Brunson to fix that error of passing on a critical need. It’s much harder to do it with the hardest position to fill in the NFL.

So I’m fine with failure cause we at least tried. Better to try and fail, then not try at all.

Last year we turned our noses up at Bo Nix and brushed him off, But I would rather have Bo nix than Nabers. The Broncos can breathe now.
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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd 

Post#1305 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:31 am

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The reality is you’re not picking for the Giants.

So at the end of the day what does it matter.

The Giants NEED a QB. Logic dictates that the highest odds of a player being picked is a QB if one is there. And those odds of one being are solid.

If we dealing with ratio at number 3

Odds of QB Picked>> Odds of non QB picked.

So yeah, we know what YOU would do…

But Schoen is picking, and as of right now it’s pointing the opposite of what you want.

The odds of trade back for SS is extremely low …almost non existent if you ask me.

It’s just wishful thinking.


Bro I'm just giving my opinion on our team, i do not give a f*ck that I'm not picking for the Giants. What does that have to do with anything?

Stop making the convo weird.

Logic dictates that Schoen and Daboll should have been fired and we should be resetting and picking BPA because we need talent. Forcing QB picks when there are more talented

players on the board is how we ended up here.


Making the convo weird is harping every day about why you wouldn’t pick SS with lame as reasons.

You the same dude who said DJ was good so can we really trust your evaluations?

FOH


See this is what i mean. You're being weird as f*ck, getting upset because I wanna draft Hunter over Sanders. :crazy: It's absolutely silly. We're having pre draft convos and we all have differing opinions yet you're the only one taking ish personally, for what, I dunno.

Whatever is bothering you, I hope it gets resolved man because ain't no need to act hostile over this.
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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd 

Post#1306 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:37 am

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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd 

Post#1307 » by TerrenceClarke » Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:49 am

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Bro I'm just giving my opinion on our team, i do not give a f*ck that I'm not picking for the Giants. What does that have to do with anything?

Stop making the convo weird.

Logic dictates that Schoen and Daboll should have been fired and we should be resetting and picking BPA because we need talent. Forcing QB picks when there are more talented

players on the board is how we ended up here.


Making the convo weird is harping every day about why you wouldn’t pick SS with lame as reasons.

You the same dude who said DJ was good so can we really trust your evaluations?

FOH


See this is what i mean. You're being weird as f*ck, getting upset because I wanna draft Hunter over Sanders. :crazy: It's absolutely silly. We're having pre draft convos and we all have differing opinions yet you're the only one taking ish personally, for what, I dunno.

Whatever is bothering you, I hope it gets resolved man because ain't no need to act hostile over this.


So wait you think you can talk schit to me and I don’t say nothing back, you cant be serious if you think this response because you want hunter. You sound like your butt buddy DOT with trying to spin a narrative.

Stop being a clown. You was talking spicy and I talked spicy back.

My ORIGINAL post had no hostility towards you. If you can point it out you win a prize.

So like I said FOH my dude.
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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd 

Post#1308 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Mar 15, 2025 11:02 am

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Making the convo weird is harping every day about why you wouldn’t pick SS with lame as reasons.

You the same dude who said DJ was good so can we really trust your evaluations?

FOH


See this is what i mean. You're being weird as f*ck, getting upset because I wanna draft Hunter over Sanders. :crazy: It's absolutely silly. We're having pre draft convos and we all have differing opinions yet you're the only one taking ish personally, for what, I dunno.

Whatever is bothering you, I hope it gets resolved man because ain't no need to act hostile over this.


So wait you think you can talk schit to me and I don’t say nothing back, you cant be serious if you think this response because you want hunter. You sound like you butt buddy DOT with trying to spin a narrative.

Stop being a clown. You was talking spicy and I talked spicy back.

My original post had no hostility towards you.

So like I said FOH my dude.


Nah my man, you're not gonna gaslight me, your original post was a weird passive aggressive rant about how I'm not the one drafting for the Giants. Like huh, no sh*t I'm not the one drafting. What does that have to do with the topic of drafting talent versus drafting need? Nada. You took ish into left field and now you're mad that I pushed back? Okay I guess.

Also, you say no "No hostility" in your posts and here you are making homophobic insults about me and another poster, and calling me a clown. That sounds like you're really upset.

Anyway, you absolutely have made this ish weird and hostile for no reason just because I think we should take BPA over Shedeur. There's nothing wrong with wanting to take BPA, or wanting to take Shedeur. I'm fine either way but I want Hunter because I think Shedeur is gonna take some time. That's not some outrageous opinion.
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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd 

Post#1309 » by TerrenceClarke » Sat Mar 15, 2025 11:16 am

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See this is what i mean. You're being weird as f*ck, getting upset because I wanna draft Hunter over Sanders. :crazy: It's absolutely silly. We're having pre draft convos and we all have differing opinions yet you're the only one taking ish personally, for what, I dunno.

Whatever is bothering you, I hope it gets resolved man because ain't no need to act hostile over this.


So wait you think you can talk schit to me and I don’t say nothing back, you cant be serious if you think this response because you want hunter. You sound like you butt buddy DOT with trying to spin a narrative.

Stop being a clown. You was talking spicy and I talked spicy back.

My original post had no hostility towards you.

So like I said FOH my dude.


Nah my man, you're not gonna gaslight me, your original post was a weird passive aggressive rant about how I'm not the one drafting for the Giants. Like huh, no sh*t I'm not the one drafting. What does that have to do with the topic of drafting talent versus drafting need? Nada.

Also, you say no "No hostility" in your posts and here you are making homophobic insults about me and another poster, and calling me a clown. You absolutely have made this ish weird and hostile for no reason just because I think we should take BPA. Look inward.


Passive aggressive cause I said you not drafting for the giants ? Thats what you got from that ? lol.



if you wanted to know what I meant by that you should have just asked and I would have given your clarity.

What homophobic insult did I say about you in here please be clear. Cause if I was making homopobic insults I’m sure would have been told by a mod to chill.

But yes you are a clown to me for trying to spin a narrative.

For a so called Jamaican you sure are soft.

My man MPH sometimes misinterprets what I say but even he not this sensitive.

When I left that disclaimer about nothing I was saying was personal it was directed at you mostly cause you sensitive.

You totally took my you not picking for the giants the wrong way, but at this point I don’t care to explain what I meant by that.

I’m as direct as they come. I don’t need to sneak diss you because you want hunter.

So like i said you respond spicy. Then expect nothing less from me.
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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd 

Post#1310 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Mar 15, 2025 11:24 am

The sad part is that I've stated numerous times that I like Shedeur a lot, watched a ton of Colorado games because of him, his pops and Hunter, and would fully support a trade back in or down to draft him. I don't have any vendetta against him and nothing he has done or said could make me dislike him. I don't think he's a day 1 starter though, which is absolutely fine, but I'd wanna use #3 on BPA because we desperately need high end talent.

I also expressed concerns about Shedeur being here in a situation where the GM and coach are scrambling to save their jobs. As someone who wants to see this kid become great I'd rather he not get caught up in this sh*t show. So yeah, that last reason is absolutely selfish on my part. This franchise is a mess and I don't trust Schoen and Daboll to protect this kid, if things go south they will absolutely throw him under the bus.

We all watched Hard Knocks, we know what kind of a prick Joe Schoen is. If that was my son I would not want him working in this kind of dysfunctional environment. There is also the fans and media part. We take Shedeur at #3 and if he's not ready to "plug in and play", there's gonna be a meltdown and they will antagonize this kid. We already see the racist BS with people trying to belittle or degrade him for how confident he is in himself.

If Schoen and Daboll get fired, and they will because I don't see us winning much, if we have Nabers and Hunter in place, those are two huge building blocks for the next regime to build around properly along with Dexy and the other keepers. That's my rationale, and yes I am ok if everyone disagrees with it.
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Post#1311 » by TerrenceClarke » Sat Mar 15, 2025 11:41 am

I know what it was now it’s cause I said “butt buddy”

:lol: :lol:


Bruh “butt buddies” has been used since I was a kid as two people being close friends. You old enough to know that people use it that way. I know that for a fact. So stop playing games.

But you automatically assumed I was calling you and him Gay. I think You have a wife and children … why I would need to “insult” you by calling you a gay man, and if even you were gay I don’t care lol. That’s not my style at all.



You can’t make this **** up. You proved my point that you sensitive as hell and be trying to spin a narrative.


I’m done with this schit man. You can’t make this up.
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Post#1312 » by DOT » Sat Mar 15, 2025 1:55 pm

Wait, what narrative am I trying to spin? :lol:

I think my takes about both QBs are pretty bland, like I see 2 blue chip prospects at the top in Carter and Hunter, then I would take one of Ward or Shedeur if I needed a QB

If you're that insecure that you think having only 2 players for sure above Shedeur is a huge insult, then you need like, counseling or something :lol:
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Post#1313 » by Deeeez Knicks » Sat Mar 15, 2025 3:11 pm

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DOT wrote:I'm saying they don't really get the biggest benefit of having a QB on a rookie contract if they draft one this year, and it would be a detriment to Shedeur if they did draft him

Imagine if Brock Purdy breaks out but the 49ers owe Garoppolo $172 million. Sure, you have a good QB, but you don't really get the ability to build around him by supplementing the roster with expensive talent, you have to build like you have a high end QB contract from the start, because you do.


Understood. But at the same time you don’t pass on having someone like Purdy on a great deal because of that. It’s actually what you need to look for. I mean, hypothetically Purdy is making almost nothing. So if you can’t build around his salary, you can’t build around anyone and you’re basically giving up.

I mean, you can't

That's what I'm saying

It's not giving up, it's taking your medicine for a couple years. You have an excuse to play the awful contract QB, use it and just get it over with

I would rather roll the dice in 2 more years than handicap my ability to develop a rookie drafted this year.


You can’t isn’t really an option for 3 years. They still need to try to put the best team they can together and try to build something. If they really like any Qb in this draft, or the next they should 100% take them. If it doesn’t work out they can roll the dice again in 2 years. If it works out even better and they have a foundation.
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Post#1314 » by TerrenceClarke » Sat Mar 15, 2025 4:20 pm

DOT wrote:Wait, what narrative am I trying to spin? :lol:

I think my takes about both QBs are pretty bland, like I see 2 blue chip prospects at the top in Carter and Hunter, then I would take one of Ward or Shedeur if I needed a QB

If you're that insecure that you think having only 2 players for sure above Shedeur is a huge insult, then you need like, counseling or something :lol:


Of course that went of over your head country boy.

I was speaking about last week what you said. I’m not going to remind you cause you smart enough to know what I said to you last week. Even Melo chimed in.

Have you been milking to many cows and the manure rotted your memory?

Insecure ? Lol


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Post#1315 » by DOT » Sat Mar 15, 2025 4:23 pm

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DOT wrote:Wait, what narrative am I trying to spin? :lol:

I think my takes about both QBs are pretty bland, like I see 2 blue chip prospects at the top in Carter and Hunter, then I would take one of Ward or Shedeur if I needed a QB

If you're that insecure that you think having only 2 players for sure above Shedeur is a huge insult, then you need like, counseling or something :lol:


Of course that went of over your head country boy.

I was speaking about last week what you said. I’m not going to remind you cause you smart enough to know what I said to you last week. Even Melo chimed in.

Insecure ? Lol


Go sit down.

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Post#1316 » by TerrenceClarke » Sat Mar 15, 2025 4:24 pm

DOT wrote:
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DOT wrote:Wait, what narrative am I trying to spin? :lol:

I think my takes about both QBs are pretty bland, like I see 2 blue chip prospects at the top in Carter and Hunter, then I would take one of Ward or Shedeur if I needed a QB

If you're that insecure that you think having only 2 players for sure above Shedeur is a huge insult, then you need like, counseling or something :lol:


Of course that went of over your head country boy.

I was speaking about last week what you said. I’m not going to remind you cause you smart enough to know what I said to you last week. Even Melo chimed in.

Insecure ? Lol


Go sit down.

What?


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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd 

Post#1317 » by mpharris36 » Sat Mar 15, 2025 4:33 pm

Let's stick to football convos. Dont want this derailing.
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Post#1318 » by DOT » Sat Mar 15, 2025 4:35 pm

Oh I remember now

Illmatic is mad because I pointed out that like how people are subconsciously biased against Shedeur for racism, he was doing the same thing last year with Caleb, but with homophobia.
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Post#1319 » by Ghetto Gospel » Sat Mar 15, 2025 6:10 pm

ny giants offseason is officially back :lol: :lol:
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Post#1320 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Mar 15, 2025 6:32 pm

Ghetto Gospel wrote:ny giants offseason is officially back :lol: :lol:


I love it. At least we still have a pulse because this team hasn't been worth arguing over. :lol:
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