Next Offseason

[B-King]

So Jimmy Butler has salvaged this season and the Dubs are relevant for the playoffs. It is a wonderful story and I was wrong about how big an impact JB makes on the team. Post's acceleration the last few weeks is another great story line. Not sure where he falls on the ladder for center, but he is definitely a rotation piece. Also want to make note of Podz improved shooting and Moody's quality minutes on the court. I am going to really enjoy watching how this plays out for the remainder of year.

My question to the board is what should the team target for next offseason. Butler hits the books for $54M and Kuminga is going to be a decent size number if he is retained. The team is definitely much better positioned to make a move that increases their relevancy.
Even though there might be a big all in move that could happen, I would try to move Hield and stuff to Orlando for Wendell Carter Jr.

What would you like to see happen

[Onus]

It’s got to be either a big to spell draymond or a wing that can guard quicker players like a 2 guard/combo guard. I kind of feel like Cleveland is our worst matchup due to them having to speed demons while being able to spread the court that it’s really hard keep them in check, so I think I’d rather have a bigger wing/guard. Who that is idk maybe Gary Harris type player? But would need to see what we look like against them now so hopefully we make it to the finals so we can see it. But then I think if dray is out how will we ever be able to run a speed 5?

[azwfan]

If no big move, I’d like GSW to use the tpmle (or a portion of it) on a shooting big, thinking Bol Bol would be cheap enough.

Then use the draft pick on a shooter with defensive upside or perhaps a good shooting pg.

Alternatively, Warriors could draft a shooting big (the kid from Creighton i think would qualify) and try to sign the vet shooter with tpmle.

I probably wont be watching much (if at all) either way but my perception from the handful of games ive seen is that Hield is super inconsistent and probably need to get off his salary if not this offseason, then the following.

[watch1958]

It’s got to be either a big to spell draymond or a wing that can guard quicker players like a 2 guard/combo guard. I kind of feel like Cleveland is our worst matchup due to them having to speed demons while being able to spread the court that it’s really hard keep them in check, so I think I’d rather have a bigger wing/guard. Who that is idk maybe Gary Harris type player? But would need to see what we look like against them now so hopefully we make it to the finals so we can see it. But then I think if dray is out how will we ever be able to run a speed 5?

Just need a young David West. Easy, right?

[Onus]

It’s got to be either a big to spell draymond or a wing that can guard quicker players like a 2 guard/combo guard. I kind of feel like Cleveland is our worst matchup due to them having to speed demons while being able to spread the court that it’s really hard keep them in check, so I think I’d rather have a bigger wing/guard. Who that is idk maybe Gary Harris type player? But would need to see what we look like against them now so hopefully we make it to the finals so we can see it. But then I think if dray is out how will we ever be able to run a speed 5?

Just need a young David West. Easy, right?

Is that what post is? I think we have a stretch big moving forward.

[DonaldSanders]

Biggest need is a 3&D starting shooting guard.

[SpreeS]

Biggest need is a 3&D starting shooting guard.

Moody

I understand that grass is always greener elsewhere, but we have him and quite good one.

[warriorschamps]

I guess first of all we will need to see what's available. Then also the postseason will reveal what the biggest need is as well. Anyway every team don't have to make a move every offseason anyway. I feel that's more a PR thing than anything. Often times the teams making the big move disappoint anyway.

Also I don't want to take anything away from Butler. He's been fantastic and clearly helped the team but at the same time I can't help but think the team was about to go on a run anyway. Maybe not this good of one but a run nevertheless. And thats what's frustrate me about sports "hot take" culture. Everything is about your last few games or so. The NBA is LONG season. For most teams there is going to be peaks and valleys. Then you have to take into account schedule and all of that. GSW as usual started the season with one of the toughest schedules.

Anyway I'm just glad the team is playing well at the moment and I hope they can sustain it through the remainder of the regular season and throughout the playoffs. I'm not thinking about trades right now.

[DonaldSanders]

Biggest need is a 3&D starting shooting guard.

Moody

I understand that grass is always greener elsewhere, but we have him and quite good one.

I don't consider Moody a SG, I have him starting in our best lineup as a SF. I'm a huge Moody fan!

Green
Butler
Moody
Curry
SG?

[AirP.]

I'm still getting use to this team and it's now and future although, it's quite possible to get more than 2 more seasons (not much more) out of Curry, Butler and Draymond but maybe somewhat reduced roles.

Payton II and Looney are FAs.
Kuminga is an RFA.

The worst situation with Kuminga in RFA is that GS has to match a very high dollar amount over 3 years (smallest amount of years for the new team to keep his Bird rights).

Can Post be the starting 5, it's quite possible he can be but you'll want a defensive big off the bench for specific matchups.

PG - 30, not really anyone. GS needs to find or start developing or think about whose next.
SG- Podz, Moody, Buddy GS are good now and long term.
SF - Butler / Kuminga / Moody are good now and long term.
PF - Draymond / Butler / Kuminga / Santos / TJD good now, fine for the future.
C - Post or acquired player, Post could be a good enough answer to be good now (next season) and in the future.

Long term GS still needs to find a new #1 who can lead your team to a championship, which is why I'd be open to moving Kuminga vs paying him although if you can sign him for 30-35 mil for 5 years (the more the better value), in year 3-5 he should be a good to great value (especially for a packaged trade) while the NBA salary cap goes up 10% a year. Signing Kuminga for 5 years might be Golden State's best way of having a valuable asset to package in the future to try to find your new #1.

Kuminga is the wildcard, the options are if he stays in GS.
Draymond goes to the 5 with Butler and Kuminga starting at the wings.
Draymond goes to the bench with Butler or Kuminga starting at the wings.
Kuminga goes to the bench as he is utilized as a scoring 6th man.

To me, just because Kuminga is probably a better player than Podz or Moody, doesn't mean him starting is the best situation for a team that has Curry, Butler and Draymond as starters.

It is quite possible GS stands pad and adds some vets looking for a shot at a championship (like current players GPII or Loony) or possibly say... someone like Capella, B.Lopez or S.Adams to go along with Post. Check in with Brogdon, I don't believe Melton can sign with GS in the summer but since he was traded Dec 15th he could sign Dec 16th, so if he wants to continue rehabbing and then sign on for 1+ years while working himself back into shape later in the season that could be an option later next season.

[SpreeS]

Biggest need is a 3&D starting shooting guard.

Moody

I understand that grass is always greener elsewhere, but we have him and quite good one.

I don't consider Moody a SG, I have him starting in our best lineup as a SF. I'm a huge Moody fan!

Green
Butler
Moody
Curry
SG?

Old, small, slow and unathletic unit, which can't finish properly at the rim. Kuminga needs to start, he is only one who transform our offence from 2D to 3D

Green
Kuminga
Butler
Moody
Curry

[Onus]

I'm still getting use to this team and it's now and future although, it's quite possible to get more than 2 more seasons (not much more) out of Curry, Butler and Draymond but maybe somewhat reduced roles.

Payton II and Looney are FAs.
Kuminga is an RFA.

The worst situation with Kuminga in RFA is that GS has to match a very high dollar amount over 3 years (smallest amount of years for the new team to keep his Bird rights).

Can Post be the starting 5, it's quite possible he can be but you'll want a defensive big off the bench for specific matchups.

PG - 30, not really anyone. GS needs to find or start developing or think about whose next.
SG- Podz, Moody, Buddy GS are good now and long term.
SF - Butler / Kuminga / Moody are good now and long term.
PF - Draymond / Butler / Kuminga / Santos / TJD good now, fine for the future.
C - Post or acquired player, Post could be a good enough answer to be good now (next season) and in the future.

Long term GS still needs to find a new #1 who can lead your team to a championship, which is why I'd be open to moving Kuminga vs paying him although if you can sign him for 30-35 mil for 5 years (the more the better value), in year 3-5 he should be a good to great value (especially for a packaged trade) while the NBA salary cap goes up 10% a year. Signing Kuminga for 5 years might be Golden State's best way of having a valuable asset to package in the future to try to find your new #1.

Kuminga is the wildcard, the options are if he stays in GS.
Draymond goes to the 5 with Butler and Kuminga starting at the wings.
Draymond goes to the bench with Butler or Kuminga starting at the wings.
Kuminga goes to the bench as he is utilized as a scoring 6th man.

To me, just because Kuminga is probably a better player than Podz or Moody, doesn't mean him starting is the best situation for a team that has Curry, Butler and Draymond as starters.

It is quite possible GS stands pad and adds some vets looking for a shot at a championship (like current players GPII or Loony) or possibly say... someone like Capella, B.Lopez or S.Adams to go along with Post. Check in with Brogdon, I don't believe Melton can sign with GS in the summer but since he was traded Dec 15th he could sign Dec 16th, so if he wants to continue rehabbing and then sign on for 1+ years while working himself back into shape later in the season that could be an option later next season.

I think it would be foolish to assume that the NBA salary cap will continue to go up 10% a year when the entire economy may be going into a recession for a few years. IDK if someone can help regarding whether or not we're still in a cap smoothing period or not.

I'm assuming we re-sign JK, anything below 30 and we should be fine to sign some vet mins next year and depending on how much lower it may even open up the tpmle. We'll probably try to start him next year again somehow but most likely his best role will be off the bench. I highly doubt we trade him. Joe has rebuffed any trade that has included him.

We would need to find a way to replace GP2 and Looney. GP2 is playing so well that he might price himself out of an extension with us. Maybe Looney comes back as a vet min. Braxton Key has been absolutely balling in SCW that maybe he becomes the backup speed 5, but IDK if we have the beef to handle Jokic without Looney. FA doesn't really have many good guards that can defend. I think the only interesting ones would be DSJ and Gary Harris but he probably gets more than the vet min. Maybe we try De'Anthony Melton again but him staying healthy seems unrealistic.

But for the most part this is the team moving forward. Unless we find someone in the 2nd round that can fill in for POA/backup pg or 3rd string center, maybe an upgrade to Gui, there really isn't a role. The free agency class isn't great and I don't think we'll have any contracts to move. Plus there's not even much playing time we'd be able to really offer anyone in free agency.

Curry
Podz/Buddy
Moody/Gui
JB/JK
Dray/Post/TJD

Listing this out we probably don't want to start Dray at center next year for the full year. The only real upgrade is to get a real 3/d guy to replace Podz since Podz doesn't really want to shoot. Moody should be fine except for the really fast guys such as Ja, Spida, maybe fox, but other than those guys I think he should be fine especially with all the help defenders behind him. A lot of rambling to say a GP2 type player that can hit open shots like GP2 is currently doing, or a healthy Melton.

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

I'm still getting use to this team and it's now and future although, it's quite possible to get more than 2 more seasons (not much more) out of Curry, Butler and Draymond but maybe somewhat reduced roles.

Payton II and Looney are FAs.
Kuminga is an RFA.

The worst situation with Kuminga in RFA is that GS has to match a very high dollar amount over 3 years (smallest amount of years for the new team to keep his Bird rights).

Can Post be the starting 5, it's quite possible he can be but you'll want a defensive big off the bench for specific matchups.

PG - 30, not really anyone. GS needs to find or start developing or think about whose next.
SG- Podz, Moody, Buddy GS are good now and long term.
SF - Butler / Kuminga / Moody are good now and long term.
PF - Draymond / Butler / Kuminga / Santos / TJD good now, fine for the future.
C - Post or acquired player, Post could be a good enough answer to be good now (next season) and in the future.

Long term GS still needs to find a new #1 who can lead your team to a championship, which is why I'd be open to moving Kuminga vs paying him although if you can sign him for 30-35 mil for 5 years (the more the better value), in year 3-5 he should be a good to great value (especially for a packaged trade) while the NBA salary cap goes up 10% a year. Signing Kuminga for 5 years might be Golden State's best way of having a valuable asset to package in the future to try to find your new #1.

Kuminga is the wildcard, the options are if he stays in GS.
Draymond goes to the 5 with Butler and Kuminga starting at the wings.
Draymond goes to the bench with Butler or Kuminga starting at the wings.
Kuminga goes to the bench as he is utilized as a scoring 6th man.

To me, just because Kuminga is probably a better player than Podz or Moody, doesn't mean him starting is the best situation for a team that has Curry, Butler and Draymond as starters.

It is quite possible GS stands pad and adds some vets looking for a shot at a championship (like current players GPII or Loony) or possibly say... someone like Capella, B.Lopez or S.Adams to go along with Post. Check in with Brogdon, I don't believe Melton can sign with GS in the summer but since he was traded Dec 15th he could sign Dec 16th, so if he wants to continue rehabbing and then sign on for 1+ years while working himself back into shape later in the season that could be an option later next season.

I think it would be foolish to assume that the NBA salary cap will continue to go up 10% a year when the entire economy may be going into a recession for a few years. IDK if someone can help regarding whether or not we're still in a cap smoothing period or not.

No, it's pretty much set in stone for years with the new media deals because both the owners and the players association agreed to cap smoothing (max 10%) this time to in the new CBA, the owners tried to get cap smoothing in the old CBA but the player's association was against it, they wanted their money as soon as possible, this time not so much, not just because your Warriors instantly had a max to hand to KD, but because a bunch of teams handed out bad contracts to acquire marginal talent, they now want that money spread out to more players vs a lot of meh players getting tons of money (for that time).

The cap will increase by no more than 10% per league year in order to avoid a repeat of the 32% spike in 2016.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/04/running-list-of-changes-in-nbas-new-collective-bargaining-agreement.html

Here's a story about the bad contracts that came from that 2016 spike.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/ranking-12-worst-nba-contracts-of-infamous-2016-free-agency-with-most-finally-expiring-this-offseason/

If you have a young talent, give them a little more to get them on the max number of years you can because every year will make their contract better and better for basically the next decade.

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[Onus]

Spoiler:

I'm still getting use to this team and it's now and future although, it's quite possible to get more than 2 more seasons (not much more) out of Curry, Butler and Draymond but maybe somewhat reduced roles.

Payton II and Looney are FAs.
Kuminga is an RFA.

The worst situation with Kuminga in RFA is that GS has to match a very high dollar amount over 3 years (smallest amount of years for the new team to keep his Bird rights).

Can Post be the starting 5, it's quite possible he can be but you'll want a defensive big off the bench for specific matchups.

PG - 30, not really anyone. GS needs to find or start developing or think about whose next.
SG- Podz, Moody, Buddy GS are good now and long term.
SF - Butler / Kuminga / Moody are good now and long term.
PF - Draymond / Butler / Kuminga / Santos / TJD good now, fine for the future.
C - Post or acquired player, Post could be a good enough answer to be good now (next season) and in the future.

Long term GS still needs to find a new #1 who can lead your team to a championship, which is why I'd be open to moving Kuminga vs paying him although if you can sign him for 30-35 mil for 5 years (the more the better value), in year 3-5 he should be a good to great value (especially for a packaged trade) while the NBA salary cap goes up 10% a year. Signing Kuminga for 5 years might be Golden State's best way of having a valuable asset to package in the future to try to find your new #1.

Kuminga is the wildcard, the options are if he stays in GS.
Draymond goes to the 5 with Butler and Kuminga starting at the wings.
Draymond goes to the bench with Butler or Kuminga starting at the wings.
Kuminga goes to the bench as he is utilized as a scoring 6th man.

To me, just because Kuminga is probably a better player than Podz or Moody, doesn't mean him starting is the best situation for a team that has Curry, Butler and Draymond as starters.

It is quite possible GS stands pad and adds some vets looking for a shot at a championship (like current players GPII or Loony) or possibly say... someone like Capella, B.Lopez or S.Adams to go along with Post. Check in with Brogdon, I don't believe Melton can sign with GS in the summer but since he was traded Dec 15th he could sign Dec 16th, so if he wants to continue rehabbing and then sign on for 1+ years while working himself back into shape later in the season that could be an option later next season.

I think it would be foolish to assume that the NBA salary cap will continue to go up 10% a year when the entire economy may be going into a recession for a few years. IDK if someone can help regarding whether or not we're still in a cap smoothing period or not.

No, it's pretty much set in stone for years with the new media deals because both the owners and the players association agreed to cap smoothing (max 10%) this time to in the new CBA, the owners tried to get cap smoothing in the old CBA but the player's association was against it, they wanted their money as soon as possible, this time not so much, not just because your Warriors instantly had a max to hand to KD, but because a bunch of teams handed out bad contracts to acquire marginal talent, they now want that money spread out to more players vs a lot of meh players getting tons of money (for that time).

The cap will increase by no more than 10% per league year in order to avoid a repeat of the 32% spike in 2016.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/04/running-list-of-changes-in-nbas-new-collective-bargaining-agreement.html

Here's a story about the bad contracts that came from that 2016 spike.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/ranking-12-worst-nba-contracts-of-infamous-2016-free-agency-with-most-finally-expiring-this-offseason/

If you have a young talent, give them a little more to get them on the max number of years you can because every year will make their contract better and better for basically the next decade.

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Thanks that’s what I was thinking but when does the smoothing end?

[xdrta+]

Thanks that’s what I was thinking but when does the smoothing end?

The 10% limit is in the CBA, which is in effect through the 2029-30 season. Both sides have the ability to opt out following the 2028-29 season, though.

[Onus]

Thanks that’s what I was thinking but when does the smoothing end?

The 10% limit is in the CBA, which is in effect through the 2029-30 season. Both sides have the ability to opt out following the 2028-29 season, though.

Ah so it won’t really matter for jks extension.

Thanks!

[AirP.]

Thanks that’s what I was thinking but when does the smoothing end?

Grok gave me this...

The NBA salary cap is expected to increase by 10% per year—the maximum allowable increase under the current Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA)—starting with the 2025-26 season and continuing for the foreseeable future, driven largely by the league's new media rights deals. The NBA finalized 11-year agreements with ESPN, NBC, and Amazon Prime Video in July 2024, worth approximately $76-77 billion, which will take effect beginning with the 2025-26 season. These deals represent a significant increase in revenue (more than doubling the previous media rights income), providing a strong financial foundation for consistent salary cap growth.

Under the terms of the CBA, which was ratified in 2023 and runs through the 2029-30 season (with a mutual opt-out option after the 2028-29 season), the salary cap can rise by up to 10% annually based on basketball-related income (BRI). The substantial influx of revenue from the new media deals is widely anticipated to push the cap to this maximum growth rate each year, a process known as "cap smoothing" to avoid the abrupt spikes seen in the past (e.g., the 2016 cap jump). Analysts and reports, including those from The Athletic and ESPN, project that this 10% annual increase will persist at least through the end of the current CBA in 2029-30, assuming revenue projections hold and no significant economic disruptions occur.

[Twinkie defense]

Biggest need is a 3&D starting shooting guard.

Moody

I understand that grass is always greener elsewhere, but we have him and quite good one.

Moody is a 4

[Twinkie defense]

I think it would be foolish to assume that the NBA salary cap will continue to go up 10% a year when the entire economy may be going into a recession for a few years. IDK if someone can help regarding whether or not we're still in a cap smoothing period or not.

Already a done deal! 10% IS the smoothing.

[Twinkie defense]

Depends on what happens the remainder of this season, but expect Lacob to try to make a big splash... think: LeBron-, KD-type splash.