Game 66: Kings (33-32) @ Suns (30-36)

[BoogieTime]

Team is bad with Brown and Fox
Team is bad with Doug and Sabonis

This core is not good and the players simply don’t fit. Roster construction very bad. Vibes are off. Defense still looks horrible. Offense looks horrible.

There is a good chance the Kings won’t win more than 5 games to close the season.

They need to not give up their lotto pick to Atlanta at all costs, imo.

Blow this team up in the offseason.

Im ready to sit lavine, derozan, and sabonis the rest of the season.

Move monk back to the bench.

Role with massive amounts of minutes for Carter, Keon, Keegan, laravia, crawford, Isaac jones let's see what we have going into next year.

Team won’t be ready. Decisions won’t be made on stretches where 20+ teams would lose largely without their best player

Lavine was targeted the last summer/season because the team likes him, and he’s actually a consistent performer, and the team is trying to win

Sabonis is the best player the team has had in decades, and the team is trying to win. A lot of thought will go into that, and his trade value really doesn’t match his talent

Deebo would be fine on anyone’s bench with his O

[BoogieTime]

Team is bad with Brown and Fox
Team is bad with Doug and Sabonis

This core is not good and the players simply don’t fit. Roster construction very bad. Vibes are off. Defense still looks horrible. Offense looks horrible.

There is a good chance the Kings won’t win more than 5 games to close the season.

They need to not give up their lotto pick to Atlanta at all costs, imo.

Blow this team up in the offseason.

Can’t really judge as so many teams would falter on this stretch of 4 games, 3 without their best player

The team has been admirable at .500 given the schedule the pre deadline team left.

We’ll see what’s going on when the schedule is normal

Team is also handcufffing itself with the lineups of Keon starting with produced much of the best ball of the season

And may need a new coach which might come before any rebuild

[BoogieTime]

Lavine is probably the most low IQ player I've had the privilege to watch in years. The amount of sleeping he does on defense is mind blowing.

Another night of watching the opposing team shooting wide open 3 after wide open 3. I hope they lose out, keep the draft pick, fire monte, and get lavine/derozan off my team.

What are you talking about dude. Stop with this defense only talk. It's completely normal to allow your opponent to shoot open 3s. If you want to blame anyone, blame Trey Lyles. Or Monk, yeah, blame Monk.

Lyles doesn’t belong in the nba, so not quite the hardest target. He won’t be next year.

It’s as if the team prior to the deadline wasn’t horrible defending the three, lol

And, you’re right, nobody has any focals with defense. If the team is fun to watch, and puts it up, like before this murderous schedule, it’s all we need, lol

[LightTheBeam]

Lavine is probably the most low IQ player I've had the privilege to watch in years. The amount of sleeping he does on defense is mind blowing.

Another night of watching the opposing team shooting wide open 3 after wide open 3. I hope they lose out, keep the draft pick, fire monte, and get lavine/derozan off my team.

At least he will always be efficient.



Fox on a back to back , 4 in 5 nights, pure spaghetti, with that motor was a total mess on both sides. Team would have had bad d with 4/16 fg 1/7 turnovers

Jury is out. Lavine is fake efficient. Guys runs the numbers up in garbage time and disappears during tough games

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[codydaze]

Lavine is probably the most low IQ player I've had the privilege to watch in years. The amount of sleeping he does on defense is mind blowing.

Another night of watching the opposing team shooting wide open 3 after wide open 3. I hope they lose out, keep the draft pick, fire monte, and get lavine/derozan off my team.

At least he will always be efficient.



Fox on a back to back , 4 in 5 nights, pure spaghetti, with that motor was a total mess on both sides. Team would have had bad d with 4/16 fg 1/7 turnovers

Well this wasn't a 4 in 5 nights situation so that point doesn't really stick here. And also, Fox literally averaged 46 PPG on 60% from the field in a stretch of 3 games in 4 nights this season. Monk was out all three of those games, Derozan was out for two and Sabonis was out for one. We went 2-1 in that stretch, losing to Minnesota by 4 points.

I agree though, why care about beating teams we're directly competing for seeding against if at least you're efficient...

[BoogieTime]

Lavine is probably the most low IQ player I've had the privilege to watch in years. The amount of sleeping he does on defense is mind blowing.

Another night of watching the opposing team shooting wide open 3 after wide open 3. I hope they lose out, keep the draft pick, fire monte, and get lavine/derozan off my team.

At least he will always be efficient.



Fox on a back to back , 4 in 5 nights, pure spaghetti, with that motor was a total mess on both sides. Team would have had bad d with 4/16 fg 1/7 turnovers

Jury is out. Lavine is fake efficient. Guys runs the numbers up in garbage time and disappears during tough games

Read on Twitter

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Career stats?

There is a lot of noise on that. EFG%? DeRozan not being clutch early in his career which is what he has been lately? And Fox.... I would love his clutch % the last two years, he has had years where he has led the league, and years where he isn't clutch at all, like last year.

And Lavine has obviously been way more productive lately on efficiency, which is what we targeted him for. He was putting up Steph volume/efficiency this year, not during his career.

But, I agree. Guy looks soft to whatever degree... Its just what we are going to have to put up with when he is putting up scoring on efficiency which helps teams win

[codydaze]

At least he will always be efficient.



Fox on a back to back , 4 in 5 nights, pure spaghetti, with that motor was a total mess on both sides. Team would have had bad d with 4/16 fg 1/7 turnovers

Jury is out. Lavine is fake efficient. Guys runs the numbers up in garbage time and disappears during tough games

Read on Twitter

?s=19

Career stats?

There is a lot of noise on that. EFG%? DeRozan not being clutch early in his career which is what he has been lately? And Fox.... I would love his clutch % the last two years, he has had years where he has led the league, and years where he isn't clutch at all, like last year.

And Lavine has obviously been way more productive lately on efficiency, which is what we targeted him for. He was putting up Steph volume/efficiency this year, not during his career.

But, I agree. Guy looks soft to whatever degree... Its just what we are going to have to put up with when he is putting up scoring on efficiency which helps teams win

That last sentence in your post is the point so many of us are trying to make though. Lavine has been more efficient than Fox, this is a fact, but it has not translated to winning in his career.

In games they've actually played in, not just their team's records, Fox for his career is 242-289 (45.6% Win %, a 37 average win pace). Lavine for his career is 242-397 (37.9% Win %, a 31 average win pace). And again, this is the record in games they have actually suited up for and played in. So despite being more efficient, he has won the same number of games in his career as Fox while playing in 108 more games. He's played in the playoffs one time in his career and his team was swept. He has one more play-in appearance than Fox though so I guess that's something.

[BoogieTime]

Jury is out. Lavine is fake efficient. Guys runs the numbers up in garbage time and disappears during tough games

Read on Twitter

?s=19

Career stats?

There is a lot of noise on that. EFG%? DeRozan not being clutch early in his career which is what he has been lately? And Fox.... I would love his clutch % the last two years, he has had years where he has led the league, and years where he isn't clutch at all, like last year.

And Lavine has obviously been way more productive lately on efficiency, which is what we targeted him for. He was putting up Steph volume/efficiency this year, not during his career.

But, I agree. Guy looks soft to whatever degree... Its just what we are going to have to put up with when he is putting up scoring on efficiency which helps teams win

That last sentence in your post is the point so many of us are trying to make though. Lavine has been more efficient than Fox, this is a fact, but it has not translated to winning in his career.

In games they've actually played in, not just their team's records, Fox for his career is 242-289 (45.6% Win %, a 37 average win pace). Lavine for his career is 242-397 (37.9% Win %, a 31 average win pace). And again, this is the record in games they have actually suited up for and played in. So despite being more efficient, he has won the same number of games in his career as Fox while playing in 108 more games. He's played in the playoffs one time in his career and his team was swept. He has one more play-in appearance than Fox though so I guess that's something.

Whats the difference between the Bulls pre - post trade this year, and the Spurs pre-post trade, albeit Wemby...

But I think Bulls fans will tell you, ridding themselves of Lavine got them in the ping pong race

[codydaze]

Career stats?

There is a lot of noise on that. EFG%? DeRozan not being clutch early in his career which is what he has been lately? And Fox.... I would love his clutch % the last two years, he has had years where he has led the league, and years where he isn't clutch at all, like last year.

And Lavine has obviously been way more productive lately on efficiency, which is what we targeted him for. He was putting up Steph volume/efficiency this year, not during his career.

But, I agree. Guy looks soft to whatever degree... Its just what we are going to have to put up with when he is putting up scoring on efficiency which helps teams win

That last sentence in your post is the point so many of us are trying to make though. Lavine has been more efficient than Fox, this is a fact, but it has not translated to winning in his career.

In games they've actually played in, not just their team's records, Fox for his career is 242-289 (45.6% Win %, a 37 average win pace). Lavine for his career is 242-397 (37.9% Win %, a 31 average win pace). And again, this is the record in games they have actually suited up for and played in. So despite being more efficient, he has won the same number of games in his career as Fox while playing in 108 more games. He's played in the playoffs one time in his career and his team was swept. He has one more play-in appearance than Fox though so I guess that's something.

Whats the difference between the Bulls pre - post trade this year, and the Spurs pre-post trade, albeit Wemby...

But I think Bulls fans will tell you, ridding themselves of Lavine got them in the ping pong race

The Bulls were 21-29 the day of the trade, 10th seed. They are 7-9 since, still the 10th seed.

The Kings were 25-24 the day of the trade, 10th seed. We are 8-9 since, up to the 9 seed.

The Bulls were always in the ping pong race.

[LightTheBeam]

That last sentence in your post is the point so many of us are trying to make though. Lavine has been more efficient than Fox, this is a fact, but it has not translated to winning in his career.

In games they've actually played in, not just their team's records, Fox for his career is 242-289 (45.6% Win %, a 37 average win pace). Lavine for his career is 242-397 (37.9% Win %, a 31 average win pace). And again, this is the record in games they have actually suited up for and played in. So despite being more efficient, he has won the same number of games in his career as Fox while playing in 108 more games. He's played in the playoffs one time in his career and his team was swept. He has one more play-in appearance than Fox though so I guess that's something.

Whats the difference between the Bulls pre - post trade this year, and the Spurs pre-post trade, albeit Wemby...

But I think Bulls fans will tell you, ridding themselves of Lavine got them in the ping pong race

The Bulls were 21-29 the day of the trade, 10th seed. They are 7-9 since, still the 10th seed.

The Kings were 25-24 the day of the trade, 10th seed. We are 8-9 since, up to the 9 seed.

The Bulls were always in the ping pong race.

This. And the Bulls want to lose. But getting rid of lavine for nothing literally didn't change a thing for them. Slightly better win % actually.

Lavine is not a winning player. He might help you win one every 4 games is my take, but he probably costs you the other 3. If he was being paid 20 a year to be a 6th man I could maybe get it, but as is he's a huge liability on defense, a really bad playmaker, zero awareness, and isn't aggressive at all.

[OxAndFox]

I think the main thing with Lavine is he isn't a creator. Just too sloppy with the ball. Low IQ to boot. Monk is similar in terms of being sloppy, same as Deebo, just guys that don't have good enough handles.

Realistically I wouldn't mind seeing Lavine in a 3rd scorer type role where he can launch 3s and be a spot up shooter. He would most likely still score around a similar amount.
BUT, the main problem the Kings have is Lavine is paid as a #1 guy. Sabonis is paid as a #1 guy too. Neither of them are this, nor are they #2 guys on winning teams and when you have $91m tied up in those 2 and both are limited on the defensive side of the ball, good luck.
This is the reason we see the offense being a simple game of DDR/Monk/Lavine playing who's shot is it this time down the court.

[BoogieTime]

I think the main thing with Lavine is he isn't a creator. Just too sloppy with the ball. Low IQ to boot. Monk is similar in terms of being sloppy, same as Deebo, just guys that don't have good enough handles.

Realistically I wouldn't mind seeing Lavine in a 3rd scorer type role where he can launch 3s and be a spot up shooter. He would most likely still score around a similar amount.
BUT, the main problem the Kings have is Lavine is paid as a #1 guy. Sabonis is paid as a #1 guy too. Neither of them are this, nor are they #2 guys on winning teams and when you have $91m tied up in those 2 and both are limited on the defensive side of the ball, good luck.
This is the reason we see the offense being a simple game of DDR/Monk/Lavine playing who's shot is it this time down the court.

Sabonis isn't a 2 guy on a winning team? I hope you mean in terms of scoring. he's been a #1 guy on a winning team the last few years and a top ten mvp candidate.

[OxAndFox]

I think the main thing with Lavine is he isn't a creator. Just too sloppy with the ball. Low IQ to boot. Monk is similar in terms of being sloppy, same as Deebo, just guys that don't have good enough handles.

Realistically I wouldn't mind seeing Lavine in a 3rd scorer type role where he can launch 3s and be a spot up shooter. He would most likely still score around a similar amount.
BUT, the main problem the Kings have is Lavine is paid as a #1 guy. Sabonis is paid as a #1 guy too. Neither of them are this, nor are they #2 guys on winning teams and when you have $91m tied up in those 2 and both are limited on the defensive side of the ball, good luck.
This is the reason we see the offense being a simple game of DDR/Monk/Lavine playing who's shot is it this time down the court.

Sabonis isn't a 2 guy on a winning team? I hope you mean in terms of scoring. he's been a #1 guy on a winning team the last few years and a top ten mvp candidate.

Yes I mean in terms of scoring.