The Official Utah Jazz-Related Stuff 2024-2025 Thread

[Inigo Montoya]

I think this season has been an embarrassment. If you wanted to tank, trade Lauri at the peak of his value, don't just sit players to blatantly lose. I hate Ainge.

If the Jazz traded Lauri then whomever they pick will have no one to play with if they wanted to be competitive. I get no one likes losing but if Markkanen is traded (which I'm not opposed to) they'd just be losing for longer. And at least from what was reported, I didn't really like the offers for him.

[Daddy 801]

I think this season has been an embarrassment. If you wanted to tank, trade Lauri at the peak of his value, don't just sit players to blatantly lose. I hate Ainge.

Couldn’t disagree more.

[Cappy_Smurf]

I think this season has been an embarrassment. If you wanted to tank, trade Lauri at the peak of his value, don't just sit players to blatantly lose. I hate Ainge.

Let's say Utah completely blows up the team so they can lose every game by 40 and be the worst team in the league. How long do you think it takes to climb out of that hole? 14% odds means you can draft 1st about 1 in 7 years. From the very bottom, I think 5 years is a best case scenario. Even if you get lucky 2 drafts in a row, most players take several years to develop into difference makers.

Such a strategy could easily put you in the gutter for a decade or more. Even if you're lucky enough to draft a star in the first year, he might be forcing his way to another team by the time you draft a 2nd star.

I think people underestimate how hard it is to build a team from the very bottom, and the flattening of the draft odds has only made it that much harder.

Anyway, if Utah doesn't get some lottery luck soon, I think you will get a chance to watch Utah build from a completely gutted team, and It's probably gonna be very ugly. Lauri and Kessler are not going to want to stick around for this **** much longer.

[HadAnEffectHere]

I think this season has been an embarrassment. If you wanted to tank, trade Lauri at the peak of his value, don't just sit players to blatantly lose. I hate Ainge.

If the Jazz traded Lauri then whomever they pick will have no one to play with if they wanted to be competitive. I get no one likes losing but if Markkanen is traded (which I'm not opposed to) they'd just be losing for longer. And at least from what was reported, I didn't really like the offers for him.

I mean, OK, but Lauri's not going to be good for that much longer is the issue.

Tanking with SGA made sense as SGA was 6'6" and 22 years old. Tanking with a 28 year old who is 7 seven feet tall and on a 30% max doesn't really make any sense.

So we're embarrassing the sport for no real positive outcome.

[Inigo Montoya]

I think this season has been an embarrassment. If you wanted to tank, trade Lauri at the peak of his value, don't just sit players to blatantly lose. I hate Ainge.

If the Jazz traded Lauri then whomever they pick will have no one to play with if they wanted to be competitive. I get no one likes losing but if Markkanen is traded (which I'm not opposed to) they'd just be losing for longer. And at least from what was reported, I didn't really like the offers for him.

I mean, OK, but Lauri's not going to be good for that much longer is the issue.

Tanking with SGA made sense as SGA was 6'6" and 22 years old. Tanking with a 28 year old who is 7 seven feet tall and on a 30% max doesn't really make any sense.

So we're embarrassing the sport for no real positive outcome.

Well, there is no guarantee for the outcome but obviously the Jazz are hoping for the #1 or #2 pick so if that happens then there will be a real positive outcome. Remains to be seen.

I also don't think the Jazz are embarrassing the sport any more than any other tanking team. Is the fine justified? Yes. But it's also a slap on the wrist, which shows that the league isn't really serious about fixing the underlying problem that causes tanking. Next time the Jazz 'break the rules' they'll be fined 250K, which is also a slap on the wrist. If they end up with the #1 pick or even a top-3 pick, they'll take that all day.

As for Lauri, I think as he ages he'll be relegated more and more to the PF spot, which is where I think he should play anyway. There's plenty of time to trade him before his contract becomes a liability (like, 2-3 more seasons at least). I think the Jazz are in a decent spot with Lauri for the time being.

[HadAnEffectHere]

If the Jazz traded Lauri then whomever they pick will have no one to play with if they wanted to be competitive. I get no one likes losing but if Markkanen is traded (which I'm not opposed to) they'd just be losing for longer. And at least from what was reported, I didn't really like the offers for him.

I mean, OK, but Lauri's not going to be good for that much longer is the issue.

Tanking with SGA made sense as SGA was 6'6" and 22 years old. Tanking with a 28 year old who is 7 seven feet tall and on a 30% max doesn't really make any sense.

So we're embarrassing the sport for no real positive outcome.

Well, there is no guarantee for the outcome but obviously the Jazz are hoping for the #1 or #2 pick so if that happens then there will be a real positive outcome. Remains to be seen.

No, I'm saying there's no real positive outcome that can come from keeping Lauri. SGA was going to be hitting his prime when the OKC tank ended. Lauri will be past his prime by the time the Jazz's tank ends. The whole situation has made no sense.

[Inigo Montoya]

I mean, OK, but Lauri's not going to be good for that much longer is the issue.

Tanking with SGA made sense as SGA was 6'6" and 22 years old. Tanking with a 28 year old who is 7 seven feet tall and on a 30% max doesn't really make any sense.

So we're embarrassing the sport for no real positive outcome.

Well, there is no guarantee for the outcome but obviously the Jazz are hoping for the #1 or #2 pick so if that happens then there will be a real positive outcome. Remains to be seen.

No, I'm saying there's no real positive outcome that can come from keeping Lauri. SGA was going to be hitting his prime when the OKC tank ended. Lauri will be past his prime by the time the Jazz's tank ends. The whole situation has made no sense.

But he can be traded before that for pretty good value. This down year is convenient for the Jazz because of the tanking and they also acknowledged that change in the offense hurts him. If/when they decide to be competitive they'll accommodate his game, he'll have better players around him and he'll play well again, at which point his value will be very high once more and he could be traded for a nice return. There will be plenty of takers.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Well, there is no guarantee for the outcome but obviously the Jazz are hoping for the #1 or #2 pick so if that happens then there will be a real positive outcome. Remains to be seen.

No, I'm saying there's no real positive outcome that can come from keeping Lauri. SGA was going to be hitting his prime when the OKC tank ended. Lauri will be past his prime by the time the Jazz's tank ends. The whole situation has made no sense.

But he can be traded before that for pretty good value. This down year is convenient for the Jazz because of the tanking and they also acknowledged that change in the offense hurts him. If/when they decide to be competitive they'll accommodate his game, he'll have better players around him and he'll play well again, at which point his value will be very high once more and he could be traded for a nice return. There will be plenty of takers.

That's not going to be until the 2027-2028 season and he'll be too old to defend by then, idk.

[MalonesElbows]

I mean, OK, but Lauri's not going to be good for that much longer is the issue.

Tanking with SGA made sense as SGA was 6'6" and 22 years old. Tanking with a 28 year old who is 7 seven feet tall and on a 30% max doesn't really make any sense.

So we're embarrassing the sport for no real positive outcome.

Well, there is no guarantee for the outcome but obviously the Jazz are hoping for the #1 or #2 pick so if that happens then there will be a real positive outcome. Remains to be seen.

No, I'm saying there's no real positive outcome that can come from keeping Lauri. SGA was going to be hitting his prime when the OKC tank ended. Lauri will be past his prime by the time the Jazz's tank ends. The whole situation has made no sense.

So depending on the timeline, you then trade Lauri for younger assets to put around your #1. The Jazz need to hold onto talent when they acquire, else remind me of the best unrestricted free agent who ever walked through those doors.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Well, there is no guarantee for the outcome but obviously the Jazz are hoping for the #1 or #2 pick so if that happens then there will be a real positive outcome. Remains to be seen.

No, I'm saying there's no real positive outcome that can come from keeping Lauri. SGA was going to be hitting his prime when the OKC tank ended. Lauri will be past his prime by the time the Jazz's tank ends. The whole situation has made no sense.

So depending on the timeline, you then trade Lauri for younger assets to put around your #1. The Jazz need to hold onto talent when they acquire, else remind me of the best unrestricted free agent who ever walked through those doors.

Except the Jazz are going to get way less potential talent than they could have gotten at the 2024 deadline.

[Catchall]

Cody Williams has been hitting ~45% of his 3PAs over the past 2 months. Volume is limited, but it's enough to look like he'll be able to hold up the '3' in a 3D-wing role. He needs to be on-balance and leaning in a bit to shoot accurately, so it's mostly off the catch and not a super quick release. However, he's making some gradual progress.

[Cappy_Smurf]

With the wizard's win over the nuggets, Utah now has the worst record in the league by a half game.

And I was told Utah doesn't know how to tank properly.

[Daddy 801]

I mean, OK, but Lauri's not going to be good for that much longer is the issue.

Tanking with SGA made sense as SGA was 6'6" and 22 years old. Tanking with a 28 year old who is 7 seven feet tall and on a 30% max doesn't really make any sense.

So we're embarrassing the sport for no real positive outcome.

Well, there is no guarantee for the outcome but obviously the Jazz are hoping for the #1 or #2 pick so if that happens then there will be a real positive outcome. Remains to be seen.

No, I'm saying there's no real positive outcome that can come from keeping Lauri. SGA was going to be hitting his prime when the OKC tank ended. Lauri will be past his prime by the time the Jazz's tank ends. The whole situation has made no sense.

The Jazz could have let him walk for nothing or signed the contract that molted their ability to trade him. Why on gods green earth would they have let him walk for free?

[HadAnEffectHere]

Well, there is no guarantee for the outcome but obviously the Jazz are hoping for the #1 or #2 pick so if that happens then there will be a real positive outcome. Remains to be seen.

No, I'm saying there's no real positive outcome that can come from keeping Lauri. SGA was going to be hitting his prime when the OKC tank ended. Lauri will be past his prime by the time the Jazz's tank ends. The whole situation has made no sense.

The Jazz could have let him walk for nothing or signed the contract that molted their ability to trade him. Why on gods green earth would they have let him walk for free?

Or they could have traded him at the 2024 deadline like they should have, lol.

[Catchall]

Cody Williams should be showing more than he has at this point in his rookie season. He can hit some spot-up 3s and he hustles on defense, but his on-ball skills haven't translated against NBA defenders.

[Daddy 801]

No, I'm saying there's no real positive outcome that can come from keeping Lauri. SGA was going to be hitting his prime when the OKC tank ended. Lauri will be past his prime by the time the Jazz's tank ends. The whole situation has made no sense.

The Jazz could have let him walk for nothing or signed the contract that molted their ability to trade him. Why on gods green earth would they have let him walk for free?

Or they could have traded him at the 2024 deadline like they should have, lol.

If the offers weren’t good enough the you keep him and sign him. We can only speculate on the offers but it’s not like Ainge isn’t willing to make a trade if the offer is a good offer. So I assume the offers weren’t good enough.

[Inigo Montoya]

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[HadAnEffectHere]

The Jazz could have let him walk for nothing or signed the contract that molted their ability to trade him. Why on gods green earth would they have let him walk for free?

Or they could have traded him at the 2024 deadline like they should have, lol.

If the offers weren’t good enough the you keep him and sign him. We can only speculate on the offers but it’s not like Ainge isn’t willing to make a trade if the offer is a good offer. So I assume the offers weren’t good enough.

Yeah, now they can waste his entire prime and trade him for much less after disgracing the sport.

[Inigo Montoya]

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[MalonesElbows]

Cody Williams should be showing more than he has at this point in his rookie season. He can hit some spot-up 3s and he hustles on defense, but his on-ball skills haven't translated against NBA defenders.

He'll likely bust, but so will most of the lottery picks of the underwhelming 2024 draft (if it's any consolation).