2024-2025 Regular Season Game 68: Orlando Magic (31-36) at Minnesota Timberwolves (38-29) - 8pm

[RichCollab]

ESPN Net Points says KCP has always been ***

Year Offense Defense Overall
2020 -0.66 -0.84 -1.50
2021 -0.55 -0.41 -0.96
2022 -0.71 -0.69 -1.40
2023 -0.29 0.11 -0.18
2024 -0.62 -0.07 -0.69
2025 -1.95 0.48 -1.47

He is like the 4th or 5th player in the starting lineup and plays all his minutes vs the other teams best players.

+ - is deceiving

Cut KCP but expectations were to high. He has a role and will be best with a healthy roster.

This is ESPNs plus minus based on play by play stats. It controls for talent on the court, allocates credit for defensive events, etc. New innovation from the godfather of basketball analytics, Dean Oliver.

ESPN is source than I have zero confidence in means anything.

[Knightro]

I wonder if Paolo or Franz asks out next year if we have another offseason where we do absolutely nothing to address the glaring needs on this roster. They are only going to tolerate so much.

This is to assume they will do nothing this offseason.

I don't think the Weltman, especially going into the final year of his contract, can afford to do nothing again when the team went from 47 wins last year to 37 or 38 wins this year.

You can't just throw your hands up and explain that away due purely to injuries because it's deeper than that.

[pepe1991]

I wonder if Paolo or Franz asks out next year if we have another offseason where we do absolutely nothing to address the glaring needs on this roster. They are only going to tolerate so much.

This is to assume they will do nothing this offseason.

I don't think the Weltman, especially going into the final year of his contract, can afford to do nothing again when the team went from 47 wins last year to 37 or 38 wins this year.

You can't just throw your hands up and explain that away due purely to injuries because it's deeper than that.

Especially because they played better with injury of Banchero.

Post all star game, we are bottom feeder.

[basketballRob]

I wonder if Paolo or Franz asks out next year if we have another offseason where we do absolutely nothing to address the glaring needs on this roster. They are only going to tolerate so much.

This is to assume they will do nothing this offseason.

I don't think the Weltman, especially going into the final year of his contract, can afford to do nothing again when the team went from 47 wins last year to 37 or 38 wins this year.

You can't just throw your hands up and explain that away due purely to injuries because it's deeper than that.

Especially because they played better with injury of Banchero.

Post all star game, we are bottom feeder.

Moe Wagner and Jalen Suggs' injuries also happened at around the same time that Paolo came back.

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[Knightro]

This is to assume they will do nothing this offseason.

I don't think the Weltman, especially going into the final year of his contract, can afford to do nothing again when the team went from 47 wins last year to 37 or 38 wins this year.

You can't just throw your hands up and explain that away due purely to injuries because it's deeper than that.

Especially because they played better with injury of Banchero.

Post all star game, we are bottom feeder.

Moe Wagner and Jalen Suggs' injuries also happened at around the same time that Paolo came back.

That's exactly the point though.

If losing the 3rd and 6th best players on a roster submarines the entire operation, then the entire operation is inherently flawed and wrong.

And that falls mostly on Weltman, but also on Mosley.

[Knightro]

Whether I or anyone else personally agreed with it or would have liked to see more proactive maneuvering, the front office's decision to opt for continuity the last several offseasons was at the very least justifiable.

Going from 22 to 34 to 47 wins in three years under Mosley is showing steady growth and progress. Could it have been even more? Could they have better positioned themselves and protected themselves against a backslide? Absolutely.

But they didn't, and I understand why they didn't.

That said... when you have a massive step back in year 4 and progress has clearly stalled. Continuity is no longer an option.