Kings/Blazers change of course

[OxAndFox]

I still really like the base of this, although I would change a few things. Sabonis for Grant/Clingan/Scoott... The Kings, with all the offensive firepower they have and players who are better with the ball in their hands, would be a better fit for a classic rim protector. They also get a 4 to boost the wings (and move Murray more to the 3) and a pure point guard (who they lost in the Fox trade).

Scott/Monk/Carter
Lavine/Ellis
Murray/DDR
Grant/LaRavia
Clingan/JV

With the Blazers taking a step forward this season, their days of picking at the top of the draft are probably over. They get a homegrown star, and the upgrade would come from internal development or a future trade.

I agree with the really like the base of this, but there is no way the Kings do that. You would need to add in the '25 pick and at least another 1st.
With the other proposal the team got the expiring money of Ayton, but no way they deal Sabonis while taking all that money back for Grant.

I definitely agree that Ayton makes more sense than Grant in terms of salary matching paths for a potential trade. Teams giving up stars usually get more expirers than bad long term salary, plus roster wise it makes little sense to have Sabonis and Ayton on the same team. Yes, I’d rather shed Grant for the Blazers, but not if it costs additional assets, plus there may be less rush to trade Grant if we truly move into win now mode.

And I think that's fair too that the Blazers wouldn't want to add and I think that's where it would fall down. If the Kings move Sabonis it would be for a massive deal IMO, unless the meeting he has scheduled after the season doesn't go well, and he may just ask out.

[Myth]

I agree with the really like the base of this, but there is no way the Kings do that. You would need to add in the '25 pick and at least another 1st.
With the other proposal the team got the expiring money of Ayton, but no way they deal Sabonis while taking all that money back for Grant.

I definitely agree that Ayton makes more sense than Grant in terms of salary matching paths for a potential trade. Teams giving up stars usually get more expirers than bad long term salary, plus roster wise it makes little sense to have Sabonis and Ayton on the same team. Yes, I’d rather shed Grant for the Blazers, but not if it costs additional assets, plus there may be less rush to trade Grant if we truly move into win now mode.

And I think that's fair too that the Blazers wouldn't want to add and I think that's where it would fall down. If the Kings move Sabonis it would be for a massive deal IMO, unless the meeting he has scheduled after the season doesn't go well, and he may just ask out.

For the sake of measuring what you consider a massive deal, I’m curious what you think about the basis of my counter proposal from earlier in the thread for Sabonis. Clingan + 3 firsts (light protections, like top 3 protections) as the base value, plus salary matching (Ayton’s expiring, Thybulle’s expiring? Murray? etc.).

[OxAndFox]

I definitely agree that Ayton makes more sense than Grant in terms of salary matching paths for a potential trade. Teams giving up stars usually get more expirers than bad long term salary, plus roster wise it makes little sense to have Sabonis and Ayton on the same team. Yes, I’d rather shed Grant for the Blazers, but not if it costs additional assets, plus there may be less rush to trade Grant if we truly move into win now mode.

And I think that's fair too that the Blazers wouldn't want to add and I think that's where it would fall down. If the Kings move Sabonis it would be for a massive deal IMO, unless the meeting he has scheduled after the season doesn't go well, and he may just ask out.

I’m curious what you think about the basis of my counter proposal from earlier in the thread for Sabonis. Clingan + 3 firsts (light protections, like top 3 protections) as the base value, plus salary matching (Ayton’s expiring, Thybulle’s expiring? Murray? etc.).

I didn't see it, but I think that would be a fair offer. And I would say if the Kings were going to rebuild it's something they should be looking for. IF the Kings did what they should have with a Fox deal and got Castle then a duo of Clingan and Castle along with Keegan/Keon/Carter and say Newell and Fears from this draft is a fantastic start and may even have the Kings as a better team as quick as 2026/27.
Sell off Monk for a later 1st and then get whatever you can for Deebo and the future would be looking a hell of a lot brighter IMO.

[JRoy]

Hard pass for this POR fan.

[SNPA]

Portland is my #1 team for Sabonis in the off-season if the Kings decide to tear it down (they won't)

Camara, Deni, Grant as the forwards next to him is the perfect combination.

Sabonis/RWIII
Grant
Camara/Deni
Sharpe/Monk
Simons/Banton

And they would still have Thybulle, RWIII, Grant, Simons as large salaries to address a long term point guard or other positions of need. This would be splash 1 of 2. If Lamelo becomes available they could put together a heavy picks package to go after someone like that.

I would probably move Sharpe + 2025 FRP for Sabonis. Monk doesnt have to be in the mix.

Sabonis for Ayton + Sharpe + PDX 2025 FRP.

It all comes down to moving Sabonis and the only way Monte can only do that and survive is to get an asset he can claim will become the franchise. Is Sharpe that guy? If so, he could make a move like this. He’d need a follow move to thin out the guards and get forwards.

[Myth]

Portland is my #1 team for Sabonis in the off-season if the Kings decide to tear it down (they won't)

Camara, Deni, Grant as the forwards next to him is the perfect combination.

Sabonis/RWIII
Grant
Camara/Deni
Sharpe/Monk
Simons/Banton

And they would still have Thybulle, RWIII, Grant, Simons as large salaries to address a long term point guard or other positions of need. This would be splash 1 of 2. If Lamelo becomes available they could put together a heavy picks package to go after someone like that.

I would probably move Sharpe + 2025 FRP for Sabonis. Monk doesnt have to be in the mix.

Sabonis for Ayton + Sharpe + PDX 2025 FRP.

It all comes down to moving Sabonis and the only way Monte can only do that and survive is to get an asset he can claim will become the franchise. Is Sharpe that guy? If so, he could make a move like this. He’d need a follow move to thin out the guards and get forwards.

There are certain guys that if Portland trades them away, it defeats the point of bringing in Sabonis, and I think Sharpe is one of those guys. The only way Portland is good is if we have a balanced roster around Sabonis since none of the guys on the team are superstars. Having Scoot and Simons as the only good guards, both who have their own warts, does not bode well for a team trying to move into win now territory. Clingan is available because Sabonis is an upgrade at the position, but otherwise I think the remaining value needs to come from picks to avoid creating a roster construction issue for the team.