Draymond puts the Knicks to sleep for his 2nd night night of 24-25

[DonaldSanders]

KAT had a nice game, but down the stretch Draymond took over -- stealing the ball from KAT, playing great defense, and getting the game sealing bucket resulting in the night night. The prior game he hit a late dagger 3 to seal the win. I have one serious question, and one fun question.

1. Do you think Draymond is still a clutch player who can make game winning plays at the end of games? He is 35, but he seems to have benefitted a lot from Jimmy.

2. How much do you like his version of the night night? Moses Moody explained after game that the team calls Draymond's version "The Nightmare." I know you love Draymond so please explain why you are such a fan of The Nightmare

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[SweaterBae]

I hope you don't vote or raise children. Hell, I hope you don't operate a lawnmower.

Hey yo! The OP is a great guy. He just likes a different player than a lot of us do. Personal attacks are not allowed. -b

[Handlez]

What a GOAT

[Mavrelous]

I loathe this glorious bastard...

[Statlanta]

1. Yes Occasionally against good teams and routinely against mediocre and subpar teams

2. No, he stole an overused signature celebration from his teammate.

[yellowknifer]

He is incredibly smart and aware on the floor. He has the physical tools still, even if he is a step slower. His brains make up for it. Butler is a basketball genius as well. The two together are really dangerous on D. GS has multiple guys who can defend outside of them. There’s a reason since he joined they have only lost one game he is playing. They’re a serious wild card in the west. I wouldn’t want to play them.

[cgf]

Was pretty funny to see draymond talking trash after the way Towns abused him all night

[donkeylips]

I find it hilarious.

[Maxthirty]

Draymond is HIM.

[Ice Man]

Was pretty funny to see draymond talking trash after the way Towns abused him all night

Draymond has no sense of shame. I mean, he must not have, because he's not good enough to talk that much trash. The only way to do that with embarrassing yourself is being as good as Mike or Larry, and Draymond ain't that.

He did get the last laugh on the evening, admittedly.

[GSWFan1994]

I hope you don't vote or raise children. Hell, I hope you don't operate a lawnmower.

"Your opinion is different than mine so you're not allowed to exist"

Oh well, the "tolerance" and "respect" crowd...

[cgf]

Was pretty funny to see draymond talking trash after the way Towns abused him all night

Draymond has no sense of shame. I mean, he must not have, because he's not good enough to talk that much trash. The only way to do that with embarrassing yourself is being as good as Mike or Larry, and Draymond ain't that.

He did get the last laugh on the evening, admittedly.

Eh, he was a really great player despite his incompetence as a scorer. So he used to be good enough to yap as much as he does IMO. But he can no longer make up for the size disadvantage.

Which is why last night Towns was just having his way with him, and Dray had a few embarrassing airballs when he tried to answer Karl’s big shots.

They got the win against us without our best player & crunch time closer, but that game left me more confident in the Knicks chances if we ever get our top 7+2 healthy, and less confident in GSW’s chances against any team with size.

At least unless Post levels up in the playoffs. That kid could be the key to their hopes of beating anyone but the Lakers this spring.

Steph - X - Jimmy - Dray - Post; with GPII, Podz, Moody, Hield, Kuminga, or whomever else I’m forgetting in at that X might just let them deal with top teams that have size.

[cgf]

I hope you don't vote or raise children. Hell, I hope you don't operate a lawnmower.

"Your opinion is different than mine so you're not allowed to exist"

Oh well, the "tolerance" and "respect" crowd...

“I don’t like when people don’t like what I have to say and hurt my feelings, so they shouldn’t be allowed to say mean things”

Oh well, the “free speech” and “thick skin” crowd…

:-p

[Scalabrine]

Draymond is a heel. His ability to get away to moving screens and trash talk is generational. I know the NBA doesn't call it often, but Draymond is constantly allowed to just run right into players and shove guys while they are trying to play defense. He doesn't even make an effort to plant his feet. Why would he? The refs don't call it.

He's a smart player, but the refs just let him get away with so much more than everyone else and then he runs his mouth like he's that good. Those fouls to get KAT his 3rd foul and then late in the game on OG to get Steph back in, where he just runs into a guy and flails his arms up in the air at first contact are so blatantly obvious what he's trying to do, that it makes you really question what the refs are even doing.

[Scalabrine]

They got the win against us without our best player & crunch time closer, but that game left me more confident in the Knicks chances if we ever get our top 7+2 healthy, and less confident in GSW’s chances against any team with size.

I agree from the Knicks perspective. The Warriors barely beat us twice now, once without KAT and once without Steph and yesterday Josh Hart had his worst game of the season and missed shots that he ALWAYS makes.

I'd still like to see the Warriors beat a healthy team before we start talking like they are elite. 13-1 is 13-1 but if you look at the schedule that they've run through over that stretch, the only good win they've had has been against the Detroit Pistons. Wins against the Magic, Hornets x2, Nets, Blazers shouldn't really impress anyone. Then they've faced the new look, Sabonis-less Kings x2, the corpse of the Mavericks right after the Luka trade. and the Knicks x2 (one game without KAT and one game without Brunson). Wins are wins, but the quality of those wins should be looked at as well. They really don't have any size, and relying on Draymonds ability to generate BS foul calls on players might work sometimes, but it's not reliable enough in a 7 game series.

[The-Power]

They got the win against us without our best player & crunch time closer, but that game left me more confident in the Knicks chances if we ever get our top 7+2 healthy, and less confident in GSW’s chances against any team with size.

The Warriors barely beat us twice now, once without KAT and once without Steph and yesterday Josh Hart had his worst game of the season and missed shots that he ALWAYS makes. I'd still like to see the Warriors beat a healthy team before we start talking like they are elite.

And yet the Knicks have been considerably better with Brunson on the bench this year, mostly because he bleeds points on defense (something that somehow gets ignored when talking about his importance for the offense – with Brunson playing, the Warriors would likely have had more points on the board).

And how many good healthy teams have the Knicks beat all season? The answer is – not many. Simply because injuries are a part of the game and will be in the playoffs, too (and also because the Knicks haven't fared all that well against good teams in general).

edit: And to be clear: I don't believe the Warriors are a serious contender. But the whole ‘if player X played we surely would have won’ or ‘let's see them play healthy teams’ shtick is tiring. For any team, to be clear. We hear it every season, every playoffs. And it's never as simplistic as fans make it out to be.

[Scalabrine]

They got the win against us without our best player & crunch time closer, but that game left me more confident in the Knicks chances if we ever get our top 7+2 healthy, and less confident in GSW’s chances against any team with size.

The Warriors barely beat us twice now, once without KAT and once without Steph and yesterday Josh Hart had his worst game of the season and missed shots that he ALWAYS makes. I'd still like to see the Warriors beat a healthy team before we start talking like they are elite.

And yet the Knicks have been considerably better with Brunson on the bench this year. And how many good healthy teams have the Knicks beat all season? The answer is – not many. Simply because injuries are a part of the game and will be in the playoffs, too (and also because the Knicks haven't fared all that well against good teams in general).

The Knicks aren't a better team without Brunson. Don't be absurd.

Did you watch the game last night? If you did, you would see how difficult it was for the Knicks to create offense. They had no one who could break down the defense and start forcing rotations. I love Deuce, and he's had a great year, but he's much better as a catch and shoot, secondary ball handler. Josh Hart and Cam Payne combined to go 0-11 and they are supposed to be our primary play makers when Brunson isn't on the court. I wish they would have put Bridges in more PnR like they did the Portland game, because without Brunson, he's our best playmaker, but if you're lead argument is that the Knicks are better without Brunson then I guess there not really much to discuss.

Also, the Knicks have beaten more good healthy teams this year then this version of the Warriors. All of your wins over this stretch have been against lotto teams and teams missing their best player.

[Onus]

I think it’s funny that the east coast team fans are doubting the warriors when Jimmy is scoring in single digits and we’re still winning knowing first hand about playoff Jimmy.

We’ll find out if playoff Jimmy is just an eastern conference legend or if he’s real.

[The-Power]

The Knicks aren't a better team without Brunson. Don't be absurd.

It's a fact that they are better this season with him on the bench. That's what I pointed out. I'm not claiming they are a better team if you took him off the team entirely, but the Knicks are not some helpless team without him and it's not true that he single-handedly elevates them every single game. He's not Jokic or SGA.

Did you watch the game last night? If you did, you would see how difficult it was for the Knicks to create offense.

If you did watch the game, you would have seen that the same was true for the Warriors. Which wasn't the case last time, when Brunson played. So let's stop this nonsensical idea that we can say with any kind of certainty that the Knicks would have won had Brunson played. We won't ever know. What we do know is that the Knicks are still a very competent team even when one of their starters is missing, and the Warriors beat them twice in quick succession. Those are facts, the rest is speculation.

[Big J]

Draymond ragging on KAT for attending a funeral, and then burying KAT himself in the game was savage. He's a perfect villain for the NBA, it's funny that he triggers so many people.