PG Pacers - Bucks Hang On

[Wonka]

I'm still not a fan of the Kuzma deal. But Horst might have cooked with the KPJ & Sims deals.

We need Kuzma for his defense, energy and athleticism. That helps wear down the other team. Khris was completely cooked on defense. I'd do that trade 100/100 times. We don't need Kuzma to be an offensive juggernaut. We're going to need all of his defense against stars in the playoffs.

If he’s shooting 28 percent from three and taking these type of shots in the playoffs, people will be singing a different tune, and rightly so. People can keep going on and on about Kuz’s supposed impact, there’s a reason the guy isn’t being trusted to close games, and believe me, in a few weeks, that’s going to be a skillset that’s a bit more important than jumping high and running fast. He can’t be trusted in clutch time on either end of the floor.

[ShootingtheJ]

I'm still not a fan of the Kuzma deal. But Horst might have cooked with the KPJ & Sims deals.

We need Kuzma for his defense, energy and athleticism. That helps wear down the other team. Khris was completely cooked on defense. I'd do that trade 100/100 times. We don't need Kuzma to be an offensive juggernaut. We're going to need all of his defense against stars in the playoffs.

If he’s shooting 28 percent from three and taking these type of shots in the playoffs, people will be singing a different tune, and rightly so. People can keep going on and on about Kuz’s supposed impact, there’s a reason the guy isn’t being trusted to close games, and believe me, in a few weeks, that’s going to be a skillset that’s a bit more important than jumping high and running fast.

The Wizards were 4-28 with Kuzma and 6-4 with Middleton. Dumping Kuzma's contract will be a challenge for the offseason. For now, we need Kuzma guarding the ball more. That's his 1 skill. There was a time when Kuzma could shoot, he needs to find some of that, but his shot has massively degraded.

[ShootingtheJ]

Fair to mention Dame too... almost a triple double.. and his percentage is better even than it looks... many of his 3s and deep 3s were after great Pacer defensive possessions where they stuffed all our players and trapped some poor role player and give it to Dame for a late backbreaking 3... those type of plays hurt when you execute everything to stop them and some mf jacks a 38 ft 3 and drains it. We've had that happen to us by some random role players but it might hurt worse that it's the #3 most 3s made all time guy that's chillin just distributing the ball, happy deferring and getting Giannis the ball in good spots and then break your a$$ off again with some long bs 3 lol[/quote


Dont tell this to shootingtheJ he eill come bsck with some meaningless BS to sprew gis anti dame BS.Never does that dude say 1 thing pisitive bout dame almost like dame kicked his dog or something

Or it's because I like winning, and we remain better with Dame off the court. Bucks were -10 with Dame on the court last night, because the defense is trash when he's in, and he doesn't move the ball. He continues to refuse to box out, and opponents attack this.

Bucks won because they were +17 when KPJ played PG with Dame on the bench. That would seem like an anomaly, 1 game small sample, except it's gone on all year.

The "he must have kicked your dog" thing is lame. I provide evidence to support my opinion every time I criticize a player. Giannis carries Dame, and he shouldn't have to.

[MVP2110]

Fair to mention Dame too... almost a triple double.. and his percentage is better even than it looks... many of his 3s and deep 3s were after great Pacer defensive possessions where they stuffed all our players and trapped some poor role player and give it to Dame for a late backbreaking 3... those type of plays hurt when you execute everything to stop them and some mf jacks a 38 ft 3 and drains it. We've had that happen to us by some random role players but it might hurt worse that it's the #3 most 3s made all time guy that's chillin just distributing the ball, happy deferring and getting Giannis the ball in good spots and then break your a$$ off again with some long bs 3 lol[/quote


Dont tell this to shootingtheJ he eill come bsck with some meaningless BS to sprew gis anti dame BS.Never does that dude say 1 thing pisitive bout dame almost like dame kicked his dog or something

Or it's because I like winning, and way remain better with Dame off the court. Bucks were -10 with Dame on the court last night, because the defense is trash when he's in, and he doesn't move the ball. He continues to refuse to box out, and opponents attack this.

Bucks won because they were +17 when KPJ played PG with Dame on the bench. That would seem like an anomaly, 1 game small sample, except it's gone on all year.

The "he must have kicked your dog" thing is lame. I provide evidence to support my opinion every time I criticize a player. Giannis carries Dame, and he shouldn't have to.

So then on Tuesday when the Bucks were +16 with Brook, +10 with Dame, -6 with KPJ, -17 with Sims does that mean Brook & Dame were awesome and KPJ & Sims were terrible?

[ShootingtheJ]

Or it's because I like winning, and way remain better with Dame off the court. Bucks were -10 with Dame on the court last night, because the defense is trash when he's in, and he doesn't move the ball. He continues to refuse to box out, and opponents attack this.

Bucks won because they were +17 when KPJ played PG with Dame on the bench. That would seem like an anomaly, 1 game small sample, except it's gone on all year.

The "he must have kicked your dog" thing is lame. I provide evidence to support my opinion every time I criticize a player. Giannis carries Dame, and he shouldn't have to.

So then on Tuesday when the Bucks were +16 with Brook, +10 with Dame, -6 with KPJ, -17 with Sims does that mean Brook & Dame were awesome and KPJ & Sims were terrible?

It's almost like we should refer to season numbers for a larger sample size.

[ShootingtheJ]

Taurean Prince is having his best season in years. Doc deserves some credit for this.

[Siefer]

NBA refs miss calls all the time. Three referees cannot keep track of 20 hands & arms, 20 feet, the ball, the game & 24 second clocks, the half court line, the paint, the restricted area, the rim, out of bounds lines, etc. Video replays in the arena show that their calls are correct more often than not, but they make mistakes throughout the game.

Every team's fans feel that their team gets the worst whistle in the NBA. Really?

Pacers longtime radio pbp guy was tugging his collar about the end of this one. Most Pacers fans seem pretty sheepish too. Last night was egregious.

[Bernman]

NBA refs miss calls all the time. Three referees cannot keep track of 20 hands & arms, 20 feet, the ball, the game & 24 second clocks, the half court line, the paint, the restricted area, the rim, out of bounds lines, etc. Video replays in the arena show that their calls are correct more often than not, but they make mistakes throughout the game.

Every team's fans feel that their team gets the worst whistle in the NBA. Really?

Every team's fans didn't have back-to-back games w/ phantom calls at the end that tried to gift the game to the opponent. They don't have double-digit home games even where the calls were massively slanted. That's the issue, not just incompetence.

And every team's fans aren't the smallest market against whom the league's media has been making up rumors about their superstar all season to try and get him shipped out. We just saw the most valuable asset in the league traded to the marquee franchise for a return that made fans doubt it was real and the recent owner come out and say he'd expect 4* more picks at least. And you act like Tim Donaghy didn't expose company men refs. They don't have to be told what the league wants.

[LatentFrog]

The thing that makes the charge call even more egregious is the Siakam leg whip that they missed on the spin before the dunk.

[BigO]

Worst officiated game I’ve watched all season. **** Indiana and **** the NBA. Go Bucks!

You should watch some of the Badger game officiating.

[ShootingtheJ]

In his 13 games since returning from injury, Giannis is shooting 69% from the FT line. Progress.

[BigO]

Bud got the Bucks a title. He's a forever immortal. I don't know what you guys are doing.

John Hammond got Giannis and Khris. He's forever immortal.

Do the Bucks win a title with a different coach? We can argue about that.

But we can't argue about the acquisition of the two players. Genius pick and a genius trade.

[BigO]

Or it's because I like winning, and way remain better with Dame off the court. Bucks were -10 with Dame on the court last night, because the defense is trash when he's in, and he doesn't move the ball. He continues to refuse to box out, and opponents attack this.

Bucks won because they were +17 when KPJ played PG with Dame on the bench. That would seem like an anomaly, 1 game small sample, except it's gone on all year.

The "he must have kicked your dog" thing is lame. I provide evidence to support my opinion every time I criticize a player. Giannis carries Dame, and he shouldn't have to.

So then on Tuesday when the Bucks were +16 with Brook, +10 with Dame, -6 with KPJ, -17 with Sims does that mean Brook & Dame were awesome and KPJ & Sims were terrible?

It probably means relying on +/- is a bad idea.

[Daver]

Bud got the Bucks a title. He's a forever immortal. I don't know what you guys are doing.

John Hammond got Giannis and Khris. He's forever immortal.

Do the Bucks win a title with a different coach? We can argue about that.

But we can't argue about the acquisition of the two players. Genius pick and a genius trade.

Can we ask do the bucks win more than 1 title with a different coach after i saw bud **** himself in 19 n bubble year n 22 i would say absolutely yes

[Daver]

Or it's because I like winning, and way remain better with Dame off the court. Bucks were -10 with Dame on the court last night, because the defense is trash when he's in, and he doesn't move the ball. He continues to refuse to box out, and opponents attack this.

Bucks won because they were +17 when KPJ played PG with Dame on the bench. That would seem like an anomaly, 1 game small sample, except it's gone on all year.

The "he must have kicked your dog" thing is lame. I provide evidence to support my opinion every time I criticize a player. Giannis carries Dame, and he shouldn't have to.

So then on Tuesday when the Bucks were +16 with Brook, +10 with Dame, -6 with KPJ, -17 with Sims does that mean Brook & Dame were awesome and KPJ & Sims were terrible?

It probably means relying on +/- is a bad idea.

Agree but to some posters thsts all they ever bring up like it all their is.In their eyes there is no other variable to the gsme and how it plays out.Guys will constantly bring up a +/- to prove their point yet wont bring up a +/- is said player they constantly trash has a positive game only for their response to then be we should use a larger sample size whrn they dont to critisize(all the fu.. time) 1 player

[jute2003]

Or it's because I like winning, and way remain better with Dame off the court. Bucks were -10 with Dame on the court last night, because the defense is trash when he's in, and he doesn't move the ball. He continues to refuse to box out, and opponents attack this.

Bucks won because they were +17 when KPJ played PG with Dame on the bench. That would seem like an anomaly, 1 game small sample, except it's gone on all year.

The "he must have kicked your dog" thing is lame. I provide evidence to support my opinion every time I criticize a player. Giannis carries Dame, and he shouldn't have to.

So then on Tuesday when the Bucks were +16 with Brook, +10 with Dame, -6 with KPJ, -17 with Sims does that mean Brook & Dame were awesome and KPJ & Sims were terrible?

It probably means relying on +/- is a bad idea.

*unless it shows Bobby Portis as a positive player

[ShootingtheJ]

Or it's because I like winning, and way remain better with Dame off the court. Bucks were -10 with Dame on the court last night, because the defense is trash when he's in, and he doesn't move the ball. He continues to refuse to box out, and opponents attack this.

Bucks won because they were +17 when KPJ played PG with Dame on the bench. That would seem like an anomaly, 1 game small sample, except it's gone on all year.

The "he must have kicked your dog" thing is lame. I provide evidence to support my opinion every time I criticize a player. Giannis carries Dame, and he shouldn't have to.

So then on Tuesday when the Bucks were +16 with Brook, +10 with Dame, -6 with KPJ, -17 with Sims does that mean Brook & Dame were awesome and KPJ & Sims were terrible?

It probably means relying on +/- is a bad idea.

It needs context, but it's an important stat that every team uses some form of.

[ShootingtheJ]

So then on Tuesday when the Bucks were +16 with Brook, +10 with Dame, -6 with KPJ, -17 with Sims does that mean Brook & Dame were awesome and KPJ & Sims were terrible?

It probably means relying on +/- is a bad idea.

Agree but to some posters thsts all they ever bring up like it all their is.In their eyes there is no other variable to the gsme and how it plays out.Guys will constantly bring up a +/- to prove their point yet wont bring up a +/- is said player they constantly trash has a positive game only for their response to then be we should use a larger sample size whrn they dont to critisize(all the fu.. time) 1 player

You don't like it when it's critical of your favorite players, which happens often because you think shooting is the only skill in basketball.

[BUCKnation]

Kuzma wasn't great on offense, but did a nice job of quieting down Siamkam's impact on offense in the 2nd half and had those clutch orebs at the end. Defense from him has been better than expected.

[buckboy]

Bud got the Bucks a title. He's a forever immortal. I don't know what you guys are doing.

John Hammond got Giannis and Khris. He's forever immortal.

Do the Bucks win a title with a different coach? We can argue about that.

But we can't argue about the acquisition of the two players. Genius pick and a genius trade.

This will never not be stupid.