PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic Part II

[Calinks]

Looking back, the Knicks played well. Really, the bench was a disaster. 4 points, that is atrocious. The average NBA bench scores 35-40 points a game, if the Knicks bench was just bad, they would have scored 20 points that game would have been a blowout. Instead they had to be atrocious and could only muster 4 points. That is such a letdown.

Thibs has tp find some depth and expand the rotation.

Knicks have not had a bench since the OG trade.

I don't know where fans think Thibs is hiding all these great players... Last year it was Jacob Toppin now it's Kolek that will save them, lol not serious solutions when other teams have starters on their bench.

Front office needs to be better then, Knicks badly need depth. That game was very winnable but you need to have some kind of bench.

[BKlutch]

Start Mitch. Bench Hart. End of discussion.

How do you start someone who gassed in 16 minutes? Once Mitch is in shape for more than 20 a night, I like the idea of playing him and Karl together a lot more. But for now, we need to be patient so we don't break him again. That 3rd seed isn't going anywhere.

I would have been down to see Shamet close the game in Hart's spot. He was playing better than Josh tonight.

I hoped Mitch would be full speed by now, in fitness if not timing. GSW not the best matchup for him but still.

Can't help but think if we just had iHart we'd be rolling now

I wish Mitch were back fully in shape, but when your foot isn't good, how the hell can you get in shape without putting pressure on it? This takes a lot of time, and it's not on Mitch, it's just how this injury goes. Looking forward to seeing a lot more from him soon.

[Fat Kat]

How do you start someone who gassed in 16 minutes? Once Mitch is in shape for more than 20 a night, I like the idea of playing him and Karl together a lot more. But for now, we need to be patient so we don't break him again. That 3rd seed isn't going anywhere.

I would have been down to see Shamet close the game in Hart's spot. He was playing better than Josh tonight.

I hoped Mitch would be full speed by now, in fitness if not timing. GSW not the best matchup for him but still.

Can't help but think if we just had iHart we'd be rolling now

I wish Mitch were back fully in shape, but when your foot isn't good, how the hell can you get in shape without putting pressure on it? This takes a lot of time, and it's not on Mitch, it's just how this injury goes. Looking forward to seeing a lot more from him soon.

Swimming, antigravity treadmill. He doesn’t have to be like Kobe, but he probably could’ve done more to get in shape.
He comes off as an unserious athlete

[BKlutch]

I hoped Mitch would be full speed by now, in fitness if not timing. GSW not the best matchup for him but still.

Can't help but think if we just had iHart we'd be rolling now

I wish Mitch were back fully in shape, but when your foot isn't good, how the hell can you get in shape without putting pressure on it? This takes a lot of time, and it's not on Mitch, it's just how this injury goes. Looking forward to seeing a lot more from him soon.

Swimming, antigravity treadmill. He doesn’t have to be like Kobe, but he probably could’ve done more to get in shape.
He comes off as an unserious athlete

Coming back from an injury, we're usually limited by the muscles we can't use. I used a stationary bike but had trouble walking for a short while. Do we know what Mitch did or didn't do? I don't think general areorbics actually replicate the muscle actions need to play ball.

[Fat Kat]

I wish Mitch were back fully in shape, but when your foot isn't good, how the hell can you get in shape without putting pressure on it? This takes a lot of time, and it's not on Mitch, it's just how this injury goes. Looking forward to seeing a lot more from him soon.

Swimming, antigravity treadmill. He doesn’t have to be like Kobe, but he probably could’ve done more to get in shape.
He comes off as an unserious athlete

Coming back from an injury, we're usually limited by the muscles we can't use. I used a stationary bike but had trouble walking for a short while. Do we know what Mitch did or didn't do? I don't think general areorbics actually replicate the muscle actions need to play ball.

He posted himself swimming a bit during rehab, but his conditioning doesn’t really reflect it being a regular thing.

[Gravy]

Looking back, the Knicks played well. Really, the bench was a disaster. 4 points, that is atrocious. The average NBA bench scores 35-40 points a game, if the Knicks bench was just bad, they would have scored 20 points that game would have been a blowout. Instead they had to be atrocious and could only muster 4 points. That is such a letdown.

Thibs has tp find some depth and expand the rotation.

Knicks have not had a bench since the OG trade.

I don't know where fans think Thibs is hiding all these great players... Last year it was Jacob Toppin now it's Kolek that will save them, lol not serious solutions when other teams have starters on their bench.

Front office needs to be better then, Knicks badly need depth. That game was very winnable but you need to have some kind of bench.

When the best they can get is 40 yr old PJ Tucker they probably did not have many options

[Iron Mantis]

This board is softer than any perceived "softness" the team showed.

Sooo much crying about trivial drama and things that cannot be changed; like players who have been traded and are gone forever. Ran_le, Donte, etc are gone...cry more, it ain't bringing them back.

What can the Knicks realistically do now to maximize what they have? The playoffs are ahead, and no trades are being made until the off-season.

What adjustments can the coach make to get more out of this roster on offense and defending the 3 ball? is there a player out of the rotation that can come in and surprise us ala Jeremy Lin?

[WargamesX]

This board is softer than any perceived "softness" the team showed.

Sooo much crying about trivial drama and things that cannot be changed; like players who have been traded and are gone forever. Ran_le, Donte, etc are gone...cry more, it ain't bringing them back.

What can the Knicks realistically do now to maximize what they have? The playoffs are ahead, and no trades are being made until the off-season.

What adjustments can the coach make to get more out of this roster on offense and defending the 3 ball? is there a player out of the rotation that can come in and surprise us ala Jeremy Lin?

Move Hart to the bench…. But I doubt he does that until Brunson comes back. One of McBride or Mitch should take his spot with the starters and Hart should still be given a good 30 minutes a night to do his thing.

Also run plays designed for Mikal and KAT as the ball handler/distributor that has Brunson playing off ball as a catch and shoot threat.

I don’t think Thibs will do any of those things.

[TheGreenArrow]

This board is softer than any perceived "softness" the team showed.

Sooo much crying about trivial drama and things that cannot be changed; like players who have been traded and are gone forever. Ran_le, Donte, etc are gone...cry more, it ain't bringing them back.

What can the Knicks realistically do now to maximize what they have? The playoffs are ahead, and no trades are being made until the off-season.

What adjustments can the coach make to get more out of this roster on offense and defending the 3 ball? is there a player out of the rotation that can come in and surprise us ala Jeremy Lin?

There will be no adjustments with thibs as coach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And this team is mid tbh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So What you see now is what you’ll get in the playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even Jokic said it…………………….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Calinks]

Knicks have not had a bench since the OG trade.

I don't know where fans think Thibs is hiding all these great players... Last year it was Jacob Toppin now it's Kolek that will save them, lol not serious solutions when other teams have starters on their bench.

Front office needs to be better then, Knicks badly need depth. That game was very winnable but you need to have some kind of bench.

When the best they can get is 40 yr old PJ Tucker they probably did not have many options

It ain't easy, especially after the trades but again, 4 points is abominable. Establishing a better bench needs to be a top priority bot just right now but going forwards post season, etc.

[Iron Mantis]

This board is softer than any perceived "softness" the team showed.

Sooo much crying about trivial drama and things that cannot be changed; like players who have been traded and are gone forever. Ran_le, Donte, etc are gone...cry more, it ain't bringing them back.

What can the Knicks realistically do now to maximize what they have? The playoffs are ahead, and no trades are being made until the off-season.

What adjustments can the coach make to get more out of this roster on offense and defending the 3 ball? is there a player out of the rotation that can come in and surprise us ala Jeremy Lin?

There will be no adjustments with thibs as coach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And this team is mid tbh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So What you see now is what you’ll get in the playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even Jokic said it…………………….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Read on Twitter

?s=46&t=

No sense going in admitting defeat before even playing a single game.

Every year there's surprises in the playoffs, so we'll have to wait and see.

Overall, there's still a bit of time left to make adjustments and improve with what we have.

Unfortunately, though, Thibs is very slow to adjust. But I'm keeping hope alive that adjustments will be made before it's too late.

[Clyde_Style]

This board is softer than any perceived "softness" the team showed.

Sooo much crying about trivial drama and things that cannot be changed; like players who have been traded and are gone forever. Ran_le, Donte, etc are gone...cry more, it ain't bringing them back.

What can the Knicks realistically do now to maximize what they have? The playoffs are ahead, and no trades are being made until the off-season.

What adjustments can the coach make to get more out of this roster on offense and defending the 3 ball? is there a player out of the rotation that can come in and surprise us ala Jeremy Lin?

There will be no adjustments with thibs as coach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And this team is mid tbh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So What you see now is what you’ll get in the playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even Jokic said it…………………….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Read on Twitter

?s=46&t=

Exactly. As I said, the time to adjust for the playoffs is upon us and we're nowhere near ready for it. We're not going to miraculously discover more gears to shift into.

[spree2kawhi]

Looking back, the Knicks played well. Really, the bench was a disaster. 4 points, that is atrocious. The average NBA bench scores 35-40 points a game, if the Knicks bench was just bad, they would have scored 20 points that game would have been a blowout. Instead they had to be atrocious and could only muster 4 points. That is such a letdown.

Thibs has tp find some depth and expand the rotation.

Knicks have not had a bench since the OG trade.

I don't know where fans think Thibs is hiding all these great players... Last year it was Jacob Toppin now it's Kolek that will save them, lol not serious solutions when other teams have starters on their bench.

Front office needs to be better then, Knicks badly need depth. That game was very winnable but you need to have some kind of bench.

Hart belongs on the bench. He’ll thrive and the team will, too, behind his spark and also Robinson’s shot-blocking with the starters.

[BKlutch]

Swimming, antigravity treadmill. He doesn’t have to be like Kobe, but he probably could’ve done more to get in shape.
He comes off as an unserious athlete

Coming back from an injury, we're usually limited by the muscles we can't use. I used a stationary bike but had trouble walking for a short while. Do we know what Mitch did or didn't do? I don't think general areorbics actually replicate the muscle actions need to play ball.

He posted himself swimming a bit during rehab, but his conditioning doesn’t really reflect it being a regular thing.

If he didn't do enough, or if he did the wrong stuff, then it's on the Knicks staff, which should have been on top of it. My wife is a swimmer and will swim laps for an hour or more straight at the local Olympic size pool. She could go several hours if needed. But every time she swims, she also needs to walk 2 miles to keep her legs good for walking. DIfferent muscles.

I often do the walking part with her, but my swimming is poor compared to hers. (She's swum since she was a child and I started only 6 years ago, but missed the last 4 years LOL.)

[thebuzzardman]

You know a team sucks when there's no consensus among the fans what is good or bad about it, how to fix it.

That indicates it has more issues than can really be fixed.

Enjoy the mediocre ride.

[thebuzzardman]

I think we can beat the Pistons but will probably get bounced by the Pacers or Bucks.

There's no team that makes the playoffs that I think anyone can confidently say the Knicks will beat.

Thibs is too easy to game plan against.

This team is not collectively gritty like last year's team that overachieved shorthanded.

This team relies on individual performances to get them over the hump.

Lack of cohesion gets exposed in the playoffs.

That team overachieved to 50 wins. Not sure it was an every year 50 win team.
It needed changes.
This team is technically better, and I think is a legit 50+ win team, even with Thibs as coach.

That said, it looks like neither version of the team were/are really going anywhere.
At least with last year, there was still the hope of improving the team.
And the team IS improved, just not that much.

Also, Thibs sucks and is holding back the team.
And the bench sucks ass.
And the team could use another player who can create, no Randle wouldn't make the team better.

[Chanel Bomber]

The Knicks had the flexibility to make personnel moves so long as they held on to their trove of draft picks.

The KAT trade was a net win in my view. But even if you believe that the Knicks lost the trade because they forfeited too much toughness and depth, the Knicks would have still had the latitude to change course at any point (or go all in for a superstar when possible) using their draft picks.

The Knicks no longer have that option because of the Bridges trade.

He's a fine player. But there was a bigger picture. And they lost sight of the bigger picture by making that trade.

There was no small loss our draft capital couldn't fix. Until we used it on a solid role player.

There isn't even much to discuss because of it. The Knicks don't have too many options. They're a team that's short on depth, with two efficient offensive stars who can be targeted defensively and who fall short of superstardom, and a few role players who range from elite to above-average. Perhaps with some continuity they can build on their chemistry, and maybe they'll need to make a decision on Josh Hart. Maybe it is time for a coaching change. Maybe the confluence of continuity, fringe personnel moves, and a coaching change will take the team to the next level. But I'm afraid trading all those draft picks locked our window before we could even open it.

[HarthorneWingo]

i think the guys are not really "motivated enough" to win...anyone can say they want to win BUT its a different matter altogether
with the feeling of "I hate to lose"

Yup we have talent, defenders, shooters, but not enough "refuse to lose guys". This is where we misss Ihart, Divo and even Randle most.

Also Precious seems to be regressing, and Hart is losing gas and confidence.

WOuldn't it be nice to see how Kolek would orchestrate with these guys? Why cant we see that Thibs?

No it would not. Why do you hate defense?

[HarthorneWingo]

The Knicks had the flexibility to make personnel moves so long as they held on to their trove of draft picks.

The KAT trade was a net win in my view. But even if you believe that the Knicks lost the trade because they forfeited too much toughness and depth, the Knicks would have still had the latitude to change course at any point (or go all in for a superstar when possible) using their draft picks.

The Knicks no longer have that option because of the Bridges trade.

He's a fine player. But there was a bigger picture. And they lost sight of the bigger picture by making that trade.

There was no small loss our draft capital couldn't fix. Until we used it on a solid role player.

There isn't even much to discuss because of it. The Knicks don't have too many options. They're a team that's short on depth, with two efficient offensive stars who can be targeted defensively and who fall short of superstardom, and a few role players who range from elite to above-average. Perhaps with some continuity they can build on their chemistry, and maybe they'll need to make a decision on Josh Hart. Maybe it is time for a coaching change. Maybe the confluence of continuity, fringe personnel moves, and a coaching change will take the team to the next level. But I'm afraid trading all those draft picks locked our window before we could even open it.

I'm sure that the front office, who everyone here loves so much, surveyed the potential SGs in the league who were potentially available and its turned out that Mykal was the best option of those attainable. If not, then who? The Celtics acquired Price from SA. He didn't immediately gel with Tatum and Brown.

I think you folks are giving up on this team way too early. It took the Lebron-Wade-Bosh Miami Heat a little while to figure things out. Everyone wants to go to the ECF or even win it. That may be a bit unrealistic. Just let this shyt play out this season and see where we're at.

[Chanel Bomber]

The Knicks had the flexibility to make personnel moves so long as they held on to their trove of draft picks.

The KAT trade was a net win in my view. But even if you believe that the Knicks lost the trade because they forfeited too much toughness and depth, the Knicks would have still had the latitude to change course at any point (or go all in for a superstar when possible) using their draft picks.

The Knicks no longer have that option because of the Bridges trade.

He's a fine player. But there was a bigger picture. And they lost sight of the bigger picture by making that trade.

There was no small loss our draft capital couldn't fix. Until we used it on a solid role player.

There isn't even much to discuss because of it. The Knicks don't have too many options. They're a team that's short on depth, with two efficient offensive stars who can be targeted defensively and who fall short of superstardom, and a few role players who range from elite to above-average. Perhaps with some continuity they can build on their chemistry, and maybe they'll need to make a decision on Josh Hart. Maybe it is time for a coaching change. Maybe the confluence of continuity, fringe personnel moves, and a coaching change will take the team to the next level. But I'm afraid trading all those draft picks locked our window before we could even open it.

I'm sure that the front office, who everyone here loves so much, surveyed the potential SGs in the league who were potentially available and its turned out that Mykal was the best option of those attainable. If not, then who? The Celtics acquired Price from SA. He didn't immediately gel with Tatum and Brown.

I think you folks are giving up on this team way too early. It took the Lebron-Wade-Bosh Miami Heat a little while to figure things out. Everyone wants to go to the ECF or even win it. That may be a bit unrealistic. Just let this shyt play out this season and see where we're at.

They don't have much of a choice was my point.

As far as this season is concerned, they could still make a nice run if healthy, but I don't have high expectations. I'm not freaking out about this year. And I've mentioned how I think they could improve going into next season.

But the lack of draft capital dramatically impacts our 4-5-year outlook. It significantly lowers our ceiling, shrinks our room for maneuver, etc. I guess we'll see. I think it matters that they compete in the playoffs, but life on earth doesn't end in April or May 2025.