BigO wrote:paulpressey25 wrote:BigO wrote:
You imply you have a price. It's just higher than mine. So if I could convince you that we could get back equal or more in a trade, would you do it?
There are many dimensions to trading Giannis. If he asks out, obviously then you do it, and work for the best deal to set the team up for the future.
But if he continues to be loyal to Milwaukee, I don't think you pull the trigger ever. Why?
1. He's a top 3 player now and likely top 3 for the next three years if his knee holds up. Having a top 3 player is virtually impossible to do. Sidney in his prime was top 3-5 but you have to go back to 1983 for that.
2. 10-15 years ago the Bucks had zero young fans. Zero. It was just us diehards who either came to the team during the great 1970's, 1980's, or very short 1999-2003 big three era. Giannis has now brought in half the state. I see Bucks gear EVERYWHERE when I travel now. Seeing him go while still a top 3 player would be a devastating blow.
3. Need someone to point out a deal where the team trading the top 3-5 guy won the trade. It just never happens.
4. Haslam. I'm convinced the guy has some clause in his ownership where he can control majority if the other three sell. (and Junior was brought in by Haslam. Where will Junior's shares go?). If Haslam controls and keeps the team here, great. But Nashville beckons.
5. New GM. If the owners could find a good new GM, you can retool around Giannis versus re-treading around him. Might take two years, but it is possible.
I understand many of us on this board are now bored with the team, and the intellectual idea of preemptively trading Giannis makes for great discussion. But it is really bad policy.
Responding to your points:
1) I notice that you can get good Buck's seats fro cheap for virtually any game.The enthusiasm you refer to has waned and will wane much more if the slide continues.
2) Our analysis of the importance of the coach and how good/bad Doc is, are much different. Atkinson is the flavor of the month. He has a top two starting lineup and a top reserve.
The Cavs were hurt much of last year and this year they are healthy. I repeat, the guy the Cavs fired will probably be coach of the year this year. Posters need to stop elevating coaches based on one year success.
Basing a Buck's resurgence on a strategy of getting a new coach only prolongues the eventual rebuild.
3) If you thought Cooper Flagg was the next Larry Bird, would this sway your opinion? I don't get excited about college players very often. This guy is special. You don't trade Giannis unless you have strong feelings that someone is the next superstar.
Flagg can do everything. He is a special defensive player. He is a great passer and rebounder. He is a very good shooter, who will only get better. Other than Wembenyama, he is the best high draft choice I've seen in the last ten years.
To be a great GM, you have to be a great evaluator of talent and be ahead of the curve.
Man anyone who thinks trading Giannis unless he demands it has to be a newer bucks fan. The years of 8th seed and swept without even a glimmer of more were hellish. Greg Monroe was the best FA signing we ever had. We always made moves to win short term. Either you didn't live through the have it all ellis Bucks or you have memory problems. You seem to view the Bucks as capable of turning a huge Giannis deal into a future young core. But the chance that young core reaches anywhere near this teams ceiling is minor. No way do we get as lucky with a loyal star like Giannis again. Even if Cooper is a immediate top ten player do you really see him staying to build a real core and win with it. Don't think a lot of the newer fans understand the truth of being in Milwaukee in the Nba. I mean have you not been here for the medias constant attempts to get Giannis out of here. Do you really think we will be able to keep another all time great here just because he loves it. Sorry no if you trade Giannis it needs to be at his request otherwise you are making a narrow view to team building. Life isnt a NBA 2k franchise.