Rumors, Random Thoughts, and Non-threadworthy Posts 17.0 The Least Random

[Astaluego]

If Dallas wants to keep 11th-13th (hopefully Phoenix kicks us out of the play-in)..

Who is the best guard for Gafford+the LAL pick?

Or Naji+Gafford+LAL pick? Throw in Propser?

(Ideally it’s Klay as matching salary, but figure that lowers the talent returned so going that way)

Coby White? Monk? Or aim lower?

Gafford+ Lakers 29 for Reaves

Gafford/Martín to Boston
Hardy 3 team
Jrue to MAVS..

[NYG]

Maxi Kleber and Dalton Knecht for Mitchell Robinson and Pacome Dadiet

Mikal Bridges and Maxi Kleber for DeMar DeRozan, Jonas Valanciunas and 2 1sts

[Apz]

If Dallas wants to keep 11th-13th (hopefully Phoenix kicks us out of the play-in)..

Who is the best guard for Gafford+the LAL pick?

Or Naji+Gafford+LAL pick? Throw in Propser?

(Ideally it’s Klay as matching salary, but figure that lowers the talent returned so going that way)

Coby White? Monk? Or aim lower?

Can probably be reaves

[HadAnEffectHere]

Booker is having such a bad season that it's not clear how much Houston would be willing to give up for him, lol.

Definitely not one of the 50 best players in the NBA this year.

[jayjaysee]

If Dallas wants to keep 11th-13th (hopefully Phoenix kicks us out of the play-in)..

Who is the best guard for Gafford+the LAL pick?

Or Naji+Gafford+LAL pick? Throw in Propser?

(Ideally it’s Klay as matching salary, but figure that lowers the talent returned so going that way)

Coby White? Monk? Or aim lower?

I'd aim lower. Klay/LA 1st (with some protection, top 4?) for Sexton. Gafford would probably still need to go with AD/Lively, though i can see the rationale for keeping him with their injury concerns. If you can get a solid guard for him, i'd go for it, but i wouldnt throw him away.

Gafford/Knecht shouldve been part of the deal

I don’t really want to keep all three of PJ, Gafford and Lively. Just feels like your fourth big can be a lot worse than Gafford. Especially, if your third big is as good as PJ.

Assume Gafford should be the most available and least valuable out of the three. But Sexton comes up a lot and I like using the 2029 first instead of the 2025 and Utah should be okay with Dallas adding minor protection to it. Protection can roll over to the 2030 Dallas first. Would throw in Prosper if needed, but would try to add Powell instead…

(Lazy to do small font.. but I’d trade AD and completely bottom out for a season, while keeping Kyrie)

[Astaluego]

Seen on Bleacher Report...
OG for Knecht/Hachimura/DFS...
The Knicks could still move Hachimura or Knecht to get a center... since they desperately need a rim protector. KAT is the second-worst PnR defender (behind only Ayton).

[jayjaysee]

Seen on Bleacher Report...
OG for Knecht/Hachimura/DFS...
The Knicks could still move Hachimura or Knecht to get a center... since they desperately need a rim protector. KAT is the second-worst PnR defender (behind only Ayton).

Feels like both teams should be investing in a center? LAL can move Maxi+Vincent or NY can move Rui or … for a center. Just feels like adding a step to both rosters though.

OG should be worth more than this imo...

DFS should really be opting out and getting a MLE deal this summer. It’s close enough money. If he opts in at such a small number, you have to assign him pretty minimal value imo. But maybe it’s more of an opt in and extend?

[Astaluego]

If Dallas wants to keep 11th-13th (hopefully Phoenix kicks us out of the play-in)..

Who is the best guard for Gafford+the LAL pick?

Or Naji+Gafford+LAL pick? Throw in Propser?

(Ideally it’s Klay as matching salary, but figure that lowers the talent returned so going that way)

Coby White? Monk? Or aim lower?

I'd aim lower. Klay/LA 1st (with some protection, top 4?) for Sexton. Gafford would probably still need to go with AD/Lively, though i can see the rationale for keeping him with their injury concerns. If you can get a solid guard for him, i'd go for it, but i wouldnt throw him away.

Gafford/Knecht shouldve been part of the deal

I don’t really want to keep all three of PJ, Gafford and Lively. Just feels like your fourth big can be a lot worse than Gafford. Especially, if your third big is as good as PJ.

Assume Gafford should be the most available and least valuable out of the three. But Sexton comes up a lot and I like using the 2029 first instead of the 2025 and Utah should be okay with Dallas adding minor protection to it. Protection can roll over to the 2030 Dallas first. Would throw in Prosper if needed, but would try to add Powell instead…

(Lazy to do small font.. but I’d trade AD and completely bottom out for a season, while keeping Kyrie)

I think PJ and Gafford are going to be moved this summer...they need an extension (I'm assuming PJ's is expensive) and I have a feeling they're going to try to maximize the next 2 seasons to the max...I'm guessing if they extend them this summer, a lot of their value evaporates...since they're currently producing above their salary...that's why I think they'll be traded for an aging star.

[Astaluego]

Seen on Bleacher Report...
OG for Knecht/Hachimura/DFS...
The Knicks could still move Hachimura or Knecht to get a center... since they desperately need a rim protector. KAT is the second-worst PnR defender (behind only Ayton).

Feels like both teams should be investing in a center? LAL can move Maxi+Vincent or NY can move Rui or … for a center. Just feels like adding a step to both rosters though.

OG should be worth more than this imo...

DFS should really be opting out and getting a MLE deal this summer. It’s close enough money. If he opts in at such a small number, you have to assign him pretty minimal value imo. But maybe it’s more of an opt in and extend?

I wouldn't put much value on OG earning 40 million... it doesn't have to be this trade specifically, but I think they need to trade his inflated contract for two-thirds of the players, as they have obvious holes that limit their ceiling. Rim protection is an obvious one, although they can continue to rely on Robinson being consistently healthy someday. After this trade, would he have to try to consolidate something like that?

Claxton/Vandervilt/Hachimura KNICKS..

Brunson/Bridges/Hart/Towns/Claxton
Mcbride/FA/Hachimura/Vandervilt/Achiuwa

Maxi/Vincent/Milton+Dadiet+Lakers31 NETS


OG/Robinson LAKERS

[jayjaysee]

I'd aim lower. Klay/LA 1st (with some protection, top 4?) for Sexton. Gafford would probably still need to go with AD/Lively, though i can see the rationale for keeping him with their injury concerns. If you can get a solid guard for him, i'd go for it, but i wouldnt throw him away.

Gafford/Knecht shouldve been part of the deal

I don’t really want to keep all three of PJ, Gafford and Lively. Just feels like your fourth big can be a lot worse than Gafford. Especially, if your third big is as good as PJ.

Assume Gafford should be the most available and least valuable out of the three. But Sexton comes up a lot and I like using the 2029 first instead of the 2025 and Utah should be okay with Dallas adding minor protection to it. Protection can roll over to the 2030 Dallas first. Would throw in Prosper if needed, but would try to add Powell instead…

(Lazy to do small font.. but I’d trade AD and completely bottom out for a season, while keeping Kyrie)

I think PJ and Gafford are going to be moved this summer...they need an extension (I'm assuming PJ's is expensive) and I have a feeling they're going to try to maximize the next 2 seasons to the max...I'm guessing if they extend them this summer, a lot of their value evaporates...since they're currently producing above their salary...that's why I think they'll be traded for an aging star.

If PJ agrees to an extension, Dallas should happily take it..

There’s some logic to him agreeing to an extension to avoid injury/security etc. but he’d be pretty underpaid so I don’t see it. 19.8~ max first season feels about 5 million light to me at least. But hopefully I’m wrong. I’d happily add 3yr65 (or whatever 8% raises is) and have him locked up through 2028-2029.

Trading for KD does give Dallas the feel on a real contender. But I’d rather not get that old.

[Mavrelous]

I don’t really want to keep all three of PJ, Gafford and Lively. Just feels like your fourth big can be a lot worse than Gafford. Especially, if your third big is as good as PJ.

Assume Gafford should be the most available and least valuable out of the three. But Sexton comes up a lot and I like using the 2029 first instead of the 2025 and Utah should be okay with Dallas adding minor protection to it. Protection can roll over to the 2030 Dallas first. Would throw in Prosper if needed, but would try to add Powell instead…

(Lazy to do small font.. but I’d trade AD and completely bottom out for a season, while keeping Kyrie)

I think PJ and Gafford are going to be moved this summer...they need an extension (I'm assuming PJ's is expensive) and I have a feeling they're going to try to maximize the next 2 seasons to the max...I'm guessing if they extend them this summer, a lot of their value evaporates...since they're currently producing above their salary...that's why I think they'll be traded for an aging star.

If PJ agrees to an extension, Dallas should happily take it..

There’s some logic to him agreeing to an extension to avoid injury/security etc. but he’d be pretty underpaid so I don’t see it. 19.8~ max first season feels about 5 million light to me at least. But hopefully I’m wrong. I’d happily add 3yr65 (or whatever 8% raises is) and have him locked up through 2028-2029.

Trading for KD does give Dallas the feel on a real contender. But I’d rather not get that old.

Yeah, if PJ agree to extension, it's a no-brainer, he will be significantly underpaid, there is a chance though, he hasn't made enough in his career, and may prefer to lock in 90/4 contract...

[Mavrelous]

Looks like AD is coming back this season

Read on Twitter

[Astaluego]

I don’t really want to keep all three of PJ, Gafford and Lively. Just feels like your fourth big can be a lot worse than Gafford. Especially, if your third big is as good as PJ.

Assume Gafford should be the most available and least valuable out of the three. But Sexton comes up a lot and I like using the 2029 first instead of the 2025 and Utah should be okay with Dallas adding minor protection to it. Protection can roll over to the 2030 Dallas first. Would throw in Prosper if needed, but would try to add Powell instead…

(Lazy to do small font.. but I’d trade AD and completely bottom out for a season, while keeping Kyrie)

I think PJ and Gafford are going to be moved this summer...they need an extension (I'm assuming PJ's is expensive) and I have a feeling they're going to try to maximize the next 2 seasons to the max...I'm guessing if they extend them this summer, a lot of their value evaporates...since they're currently producing above their salary...that's why I think they'll be traded for an aging star.

If PJ agrees to an extension, Dallas should happily take it..

There’s some logic to him agreeing to an extension to avoid injury/security etc. but he’d be pretty underpaid so I don’t see it. 19.8~ max first season feels about 5 million light to me at least. But hopefully I’m wrong. I’d happily add 3yr65 (or whatever 8% raises is) and have him locked up through 2028-2029.

Trading for KD does give Dallas the feel on a real contender. But I’d rather not get that old.

Yes, although I have posted several trades about it (because I firmly believe it will happen or something similar...) I wouldn't do it either... in fact I would take a radically opposite path, I would sell everything (except maybe Lively/Christie + extend KI), I would do extreme tanking for this next year and hope that the NBA takes mercy on Dallas and they end up with a Boozer/Dybantsa/Peterson next year... if KI wants to stay on as a mentor to the new great core, if not help him finish his career wherever he wants... a class act would be well received.

I don't know how much PJ wants, but FA 26 there are many teams that project to have money to spend and the Mavs already have a lot of money committed (counting on KI extending) AD will be earning 62 million!!!

[jayjaysee]

I think PJ and Gafford are going to be moved this summer...they need an extension (I'm assuming PJ's is expensive) and I have a feeling they're going to try to maximize the next 2 seasons to the max...I'm guessing if they extend them this summer, a lot of their value evaporates...since they're currently producing above their salary...that's why I think they'll be traded for an aging star.

If PJ agrees to an extension, Dallas should happily take it..

There’s some logic to him agreeing to an extension to avoid injury/security etc. but he’d be pretty underpaid so I don’t see it. 19.8~ max first season feels about 5 million light to me at least. But hopefully I’m wrong. I’d happily add 3yr65 (or whatever 8% raises is) and have him locked up through 2028-2029.

Trading for KD does give Dallas the feel on a real contender. But I’d rather not get that old.

Yeah, if PJ agree to extension, it's a no-brainer, he will be significantly underpaid, there is a chance though, he hasn't made enough in his career, and may prefer to lock in 90/4 contract...

Yeah, I have no idea. I’d like to think he takes a chance on even just a 2+1po. Security but still a free agent before 30 years old in case he can get a big contract.

But I do hope Kyrie and PJ are Mavericks for a long time. Regardless if next season is a tank or a pretender.

[jayjaysee]

Aiming real low for some offense..

Cole Anthony and KCP to Dallas
Klay, Powell, and ”some third team salary/asset” to Orlando
Gafford to ”….”

How far off would that be? Assuming you can get a good second or a couple seconds or even a really late first for Gafford?

[HornetJail]

Aiming real low for some offense..

Cole Anthony and KCP to Dallas
Klay, Powell, and ”some third team salary/asset” to Orlando
Gafford to ”….”

How far off would that be? Assuming you can get a good second or a couple seconds or even a really late first for Gafford?

Josh Green, either ours or NOLA's 2nd, and a couple future worse 2nds (added for eating Green's contract) for Gafford should be a comfortable yes for Charlotte if they are attempting to be a serious franchise at some point.

[jayjaysee]

Aiming real low for some offense..

Cole Anthony and KCP to Dallas
Klay, Powell, and ”some third team salary/asset” to Orlando
Gafford to ”….”

How far off would that be? Assuming you can get a good second or a couple seconds or even a really late first for Gafford?

Josh Green, either ours or NOLA's 2nd, and a couple future worse 2nds (added for eating Green's contract) for Gafford should be a comfortable yes for Charlotte if they are attempting to be a serious franchise at some point.

Do you think CLT does Okogie+the early 2nd?

CLT taking on the extra bit of salary does make that idea a lot easier for Orlando/Dallas.

I really don’t like my own idea there. But maybe you expand it to Cole Anthony+(Naji, Martin, Hardy, Powell, etc) + asset for an actual good guard/wing.

Looks better than.

[HornetJail]

Aiming real low for some offense..

Cole Anthony and KCP to Dallas
Klay, Powell, and ”some third team salary/asset” to Orlando
Gafford to ”….”

How far off would that be? Assuming you can get a good second or a couple seconds or even a really late first for Gafford?

Josh Green, either ours or NOLA's 2nd, and a couple future worse 2nds (added for eating Green's contract) for Gafford should be a comfortable yes for Charlotte if they are attempting to be a serious franchise at some point.

Do you think CLT does Okogie+the early 2nd?

CLT taking on the extra bit of salary does make that idea a lot easier for Orlando/Dallas.

I really don’t like my own idea there. But maybe you expand it to Cole Anthony+(Naji, Martin, Hardy, Powell, etc) + asset for an actual good guard/wing.

Looks better than.

probably but I actually liked what Okogie did in his brief minutes here, and I want to dump Green.

I'd eat Powell and then cut his $4M guarantee if that helped us offload Green

[jayjaysee]

Josh Green, either ours or NOLA's 2nd, and a couple future worse 2nds (added for eating Green's contract) for Gafford should be a comfortable yes for Charlotte if they are attempting to be a serious franchise at some point.

Do you think CLT does Okogie+the early 2nd?

CLT taking on the extra bit of salary does make that idea a lot easier for Orlando/Dallas.

I really don’t like my own idea there. But maybe you expand it to Cole Anthony+(Naji, Martin, Hardy, Powell, etc) + asset for an actual good guard/wing.

Looks better than.

probably but I actually liked what Okogie did in his brief minutes here, and I want to dump Green.

I'd eat Powell and then cut his $4M guarantee if that helped us offload Green

Just think Green makes it hard to convince Orlando side. Trimming KCP’s deal down to Klay while improving the spacing and getting a minor asset.. Sounds a lot worse if they end up taking Klay+Green.

But maybe just needs another team getting Green. I don’t think he’s that negative. Teams love having guys like him. Pretending it’s Sexton+KCP to Dallas, Utah shouldn’t really mind Green as long as they’re paid for it. Good guy to have in locker room and on the court. Even if he’s not the best..

[Astaluego]

Lillard for Jamal Murray/Nnaji? Who says no? Lillard is a great fit for Jokic since he's an excellent shooter. His contract is also much shorter, giving Denver flexibility (making room for Luka?). Murray is much younger and has a wider competitive window, which could make it more attractive for Giannis to stay.