Lakers/Magic offense for defense

[Astaluego]

Reaves is a nice fit WITH Suggs. Everyone can see Orlando’s need and can pressure them to overpay, but they aren’t going to trade Suggs. If the Lakers want defense, I’m sure Orlando could be convinced to part with KCP and Black. Work something around that.

Kcp doesnt get u reaves. A 32yo that dropped off making 22m/year. For orlando its basicly, if its on our timeline its on lakers timeline. U can probably get something around kleber for kcp, but then this thread is ot since it started with reaves and suggs

Or maybe you are overrating Austin value around the NBA. Players who can't bridge the gap between their lack of defense with overwhelming offense simply do not hold much value in the NBA with the new CBA rules.We have seen this with Gary Trent Jr. Most were expecting him to get atleast a tax payer mid level if not more, but instead he ended having to settle for a vet min. Same with Tyus Jones. D'Angelo Russell will be lucky to get much more than a tax payer mid level in Free Agency. Grayson Allen is now viewed as a possible bad contract. I think a KCP/Austin Reaves swap straight up without the Magic adding anything is fair.

Reaves has clearly been the third fiddle on a title-contending team with a 40-25 record, while making $13 million and his game is trending up since he's 26 and probably not even in his prime yet. KCP is having the worst season of his career (since his rookie year) at 32, which suggests he's in decline, while he's making $25 million and you want to argue that a 1-on-1 trade would be fair...?
G.Trent has never been the playmaker that Reaves is... so I don't understand the intention of the comparison.

[facothomas22]

Kcp doesnt get u reaves. A 32yo that dropped off making 22m/year. For orlando its basicly, if its on our timeline its on lakers timeline. U can probably get something around kleber for kcp, but then this thread is ot since it started with reaves and suggs

Or maybe you are overrating Austin value around the NBA. Players who can't bridge the gap between their lack of defense with overwhelming offense simply do not hold much value in the NBA with the new CBA rules.We have seen this with Gary Trent Jr. Most were expecting him to get atleast a tax payer mid level if not more, but instead he ended having to settle for a vet min. Same with Tyus Jones. D'Angelo Russell will be lucky to get much more than a tax payer mid level in Free Agency. Grayson Allen is now viewed as a possible bad contract. I think a KCP/Austin Reaves swap straight up without the Magic adding anything is fair.

Reaves has clearly been the third fiddle on a title-contending team with a 40-25 record, while making $13 million and his game is trending up since he's 26 and probably not even in his prime yet. KCP is having the worst season of his career (since his rookie year) at 32, which suggests he's in decline, while he's making $25 million and you want to argue that a 1-on-1 trade would be fair...?
G.Trent has never been the playmaker that Reaves is... so I don't understand the intention of the comparison.

First of all, the Lakers are not contenders nor to do they have assets or cap space (likely will be a tier 1 apron or even be a borderline tier 2 apron team)to realistically become contenders. Lets get that out of the way.

Secondly, you missed my point about guys who are solid, yet are not great on offense, but terrible on defense do not hold a lot of value anymore due to new CBA rules that's in place. Let use the D'Angelo Russel example since him and Austin are the same type of the players. The Lakers have been trying to rid of him since the Summer of 2023, but had a of issue doing so. No one put any value into D'Angelo Russell last season despite of making only 17-18 million dollars per year. He also had to opt in to his player option because no team was willing to give him anywhere close to same of amount of money, but with added years and the Lakers wasn't able a trade partner during the off season. It took all the way until December before the Lakers were able to move him and needed to attach 3 2nd picks to do so in order to get DFS. It appears that D'Angelo Russell will struggle to get more than the tax payer mid level in the off season. Austin Reaves is basically the same player as D'Lo and is due for a huge payday. So with all of that in mind, I'm supposed to believe that teams will assign any real value to Austin Reaves that goes beyond simply being a meh expiring contract? I don't see how that matches reality when guys of his archetype are struggling to get more than a vet min. I would be shocked and disconcert if anybody gives up even a meh 1st round pick and a long term contract in order to get Austin Reaves if he were to be put on the trading block.

[Apz]

Or maybe you are overrating Austin value around the NBA. Players who can't bridge the gap between their lack of defense with overwhelming offense simply do not hold much value in the NBA with the new CBA rules.We have seen this with Gary Trent Jr. Most were expecting him to get atleast a tax payer mid level if not more, but instead he ended having to settle for a vet min. Same with Tyus Jones. D'Angelo Russell will be lucky to get much more than a tax payer mid level in Free Agency. Grayson Allen is now viewed as a possible bad contract. I think a KCP/Austin Reaves swap straight up without the Magic adding anything is fair.

Reaves has clearly been the third fiddle on a title-contending team with a 40-25 record, while making $13 million and his game is trending up since he's 26 and probably not even in his prime yet. KCP is having the worst season of his career (since his rookie year) at 32, which suggests he's in decline, while he's making $25 million and you want to argue that a 1-on-1 trade would be fair...?
G.Trent has never been the playmaker that Reaves is... so I don't understand the intention of the comparison.

First of all, the Lakers are not contenders nor to do they have assets or cap space (likely will be a tier 1 apron or even be a borderline tier 2 apron team)to realistically become contenders. Lets get that out of the way.

Secondly, you missed my point about guys who are solid, yet are not great on offense, but terrible on defense do not hold a lot of value anymore due to new CBA rules that's in place. Let use the D'Angelo Russel example since him and Austin are the same type of the players. The Lakers have been trying to rid of him since the Summer of 2023, but had a of issue doing so. No one put any value into D'Angelo Russell last season despite of making only 17-18 million dollars per year. He also had to opt in to his player option because no team was willing to give him anywhere close to same of amount of money, but with added years and the Lakers wasn't able a trade partner during the off season. It took all the way until December before the Lakers were able to move him and needed to attach 3 2nd picks to do so in order to get DFS. It appears that D'Angelo Russell will struggle to get more than the tax payer mid level in the off season. Austin Reaves is basically the same player as D'Lo and is due for a huge payday. So with all of that in mind, I'm supposed to believe that teams will assign any real value to Austin Reaves that goes beyond simply being a meh expiring contract? I don't see how that matches reality when guys of his archetype are struggling to get more than a vet min. I would be shocked and disconcert if anybody gives up even a meh 1st round pick and a long term contract in order to get Austin Reaves if he were to be put on the trading block.

Its weird. Lakers starting luka and reaves, and probably the worst starting center in league in hayes, a 40yo lebron and a Rui getting downplayed here also, and still is the best defense in the league. Its almost like those players is not as bad in defense as media tries to manipulate u into believe...

[tmorgan]

To be clear… I didn’t suggest KCP for Reaves. I suggested KCP and Black for Reaves (with a reasonable extension agreed upon beforehand), and then whatever neutral salary the Lakers would need to send to make the money work.

Reaves is indeed of an archetype that’s losing value, but he’s also a bit unique within that archetype as a guy that gets calls and is a great free throw shooter. He’s shifty, kind of a discount SGA without the defense. I like him and think he’d help Orlando a lot. I also think Anthony Black would fit well in LA, as his shortcomings as a playmaker matter less there. He’s a good defender and should grow into a better, if not good, spot up shooter and secondary ball handler to Luka.

Maybe Orlando pays a little more or takes a slightly undesirable contract along with Reaves, but the deal does make sense in terms of needs for both sides.

[ejftw]

I was today years old when I learned a 32 year old 3&D guy, who forgot how to 3 and dipped on the D on a 2/42 deal is equal to a 26 year old that has shown to be a good third fiddle on a 2/27 deal (albeit, year two being a PO, but comes with full birds).

C'mon now, I'm someone that's been and is still on the Reaves is overhyped train, but to say he's equal to KCP?

What's next? Jaxon Hayes is equal to Sabonis?