UTA/ORL/IND...big one featuring big guys

[Skybox]

FIRST TRADE:
UTA lands at #4...
ORL sends: Paolo Banchero, WCJ, Cole Anthony, ORL 26 frp (Top 5)
UTA sends: Lauri Markannen, Walker Kessler, #4
*Honestly not sure if Paolo's value negates the need for the frp or if I'm undervaluing UTA pkg. March Madness may vault Maluach's value, but I don't really think so...he's got a ceiling, in terms of versatility, but he's a monster throwback C that ORL really needs with two finesse, offensive-minded forwards. Most of the teams picking in that area already have a young promising C. I pegged UTA at 4, because the Top 3 look pretty solidly mocked and the picks after that are likely somewhat need-based...I hate to use Weltman's phrase, but the draft "flattens out" and beauty will be in the eye of the beholder.

SECOND TRADE:
ORL sends: KCP, #26(DEN) to MIL...Kessler to IND
IND sends: Andrew Nembhard to ORL
MIL sends: Portis to IND
*Kessler & Portis give IND the freedom to let Turner walk (or SnT) rather than overpay without missing a beat. MIL values KCP's toughness and defense next to Dame and grabs a late frp for inexpensive depth.

IND fans...I understand that Nembhard is a basketball god, but consider what adding Kessler & Portis for less than Turner will get means for your frontcourt depth and toughness. Also, it turns Turner into a very lucrative SnT chip.

[Scoot McGroot]

FIRST TRADE:
UTA lands at #4...
ORL sends: Paolo Banchero, WCJ, Cole Anthony, ORL 26 frp (Top 5)
UTA sends: Lauri Markannen, Walker Kessler, #4
*Honestly not sure if Paolo's value negates the need for the frp or if I'm undervaluing UTA pkg. March Madness may vault Maluach's value, but I don't really think so...he's got a ceiling, in terms of versatility, but he's a monster throwback C that ORL really needs with two finesse, offensive-minded forwards. Most of the teams picking in that area already have a young promising C. I pegged UTA at 4, because the Top 3 look pretty solidly mocked and the picks after that are likely somewhat need-based...I hate to use Weltman's phrase, but the draft "flattens out" and beauty will be in the eye of the beholder.

SECOND TRADE:
ORL sends: KCP, #26(DEN) to MIL...Kessler to IND
IND sends: Andrew Nembhard to ORL
MIL sends: Portis to IND
*Kessler & Portis give IND the freedom to let Turner walk (or SnT) rather than overpay without missing a beat. MIL values KCP's toughness and defense next to Dame and grabs a late frp for inexpensive depth.

IND fans...I understand that Nembhard is a basketball god, but consider what adding Kessler & Portis for less than Turner will get means for your frontcourt depth and toughness. Also, it turns Turner into a very lucrative SnT chip.

Kessler salary wise would be less than Turner for one year. And then, as predicted by the Utah fans here, would cost far more than Turner the year after? Which makes it imperative we’d have to make another, larger salary decision.

But mostly, in spite of stats, Nembhard seems to be the key, offensively and defensively, next to Haliburton to make the team actually work. And with Portis coming back with him for a year, it gets a bit cluttered with Siakam, Kessler, Obi, Jackson, and Walker at the 4/5 spots.

Think Indy would rather just keep Nembhard and figure out a smaller deal to either clear salary, or find a center if we can’t clear salary. Doubt Nembhard is part of that move.

[Skybox]

I guess I see Kessler as a much more limited, lower-profile player than Turner that would be re-upped for substantially less. I'm not really that big a fan of Turner's ...but the 3's and the sexy highlight reel stuff could overshadow the substantial play that Kessler brings. I could certainly be wrong about that. I assume Turner gets a fat deal, but really, who's giving it to him?

Turner is definitely one of the interesting offseason stories...as usual

[Scoot McGroot]

I guess I see Kessler as a much more limited, lower-profile player than Turner that would be re-upped for substantially less. I'm not really that big a fan of Turner's ...but the 3's and the sexy highlight reel stuff could overshadow the substantial play that Kessler brings. I could certainly be wrong about that. I assume Turner gets a fat deal, but really, who's giving it to him?

Turner is definitely one of the interesting offseason stories...as usual

Yeah. I just think that if Indy swaps out Turner for the ground based, interior only center play of Kessler, while also giving up Nembhard, Indy probably has to make some other MAJOR moves to make it work stylistically. Probably have to move Siakam, or at least banish him to a 3 point focused game, which minimizes his impact, and probably pushes him to ask for a trade, as playing with Poeltl in Toronto did at the end?

The 3 point shooting prowess and pick and pop ability really is a major key to the Indy offense, especially with how Siakam fits and plays.

But also, I’ve seen Utah fans predict that Kessler is getting near $40m per year. I have a hunch Turner is at or under $30m, especially with no one else really having cap space to make a real offer.

Mostly, I just won’t choose keeping Obi over keeping Nembhard and Turner. I’d figure out what it takes to move Obi into an MLE somewhere to make it possible to keep Myles and Andrew.

[jayjaysee]

I think Milwaukee needs to send out a lot more salary.

And if you don’t have to lose Turner, then you don’t want to do the trade.

And if you have to lose Turner; it’s probably good value? But think Indy would first be trying to find a center that.. 1- can shoot and 2- can be had using assets outside of Nembhad...

They are not asset poor and if they lose Turner they don’t have cap concerns next season.

[SkyHook]

It's a quick no from Utah. Even with as far as Markannen's perceived value has fallen off this season, I'd still rather have him than Banchero. Adding Kessler and the #4 pick only makes it worse.

[AingesBurner]

This is an easy pass by Utah. Major overpay.

[babyjax13]

I'd do it for Utah rather easily. Banchero looks like a franchise player - that kind of guy might be available at 4, but there is a good chance he isn't selected at that spot. If we were at 1 this would be different.

[SkyHook]

I'd do it for Utah rather easily. Banchero looks like a franchise player - that kind of guy might be available at 4, but there is a good chance he isn't selected at that spot. If we were at 1 this would be different.

Wow, I guess I just don't see what you're seeing with Paolo at all. He's been far from impressive when I've watched him and more than a few Magic fans have been open about their doubts of him. Maybe there's a discussion for one of those three assets, but certainly not all three.

[Daddy 801]

Easy pass for me as a Jazz fan.

[tiderulz]

I'd do it for Utah rather easily. Banchero looks like a franchise player - that kind of guy might be available at 4, but there is a good chance he isn't selected at that spot. If we were at 1 this would be different.

Wow, I guess I just don't see what you're seeing with Paolo at all. He's been far from impressive when I've watched him and more than a few Magic fans have been open about their doubts of him. Maybe there's a discussion for one of those three assets, but certainly not all three.

dont look at this year, his injury really affected his play and stats.

[tmorgan]

It’s not about the injury, people, although that doesn’t help. It’s about team construction.

It doesn’t matter anyway, Orlando isn’t going to give up on their forwards-focused experience yet. You just wish they’d stop being so incredibly stupid about the rest of the roster.

FWIW, valuing Markkanen over Banchero is absolutely INSANE. You’d all fail horribly as scouts. And I say this as someone that is far, far from infallible, but this is just so obvious. Stats must be taken in context, age matters, teammates matter, skillset matters. Get Banchero some spacing and he’s going to look like an entirely different player.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

It’s not about the injury, people, although that doesn’t help. It’s about team construction.

It doesn’t matter anyway, Orlando isn’t going to give up on their forwards-focused experience yet. You just wish they’d stop being so incredibly stupid about the rest of the roster.

FWIW, valuing Markkanen over Banchero is absolutely INSANE. You’d all fail horribly as scouts. And I say this as someone that is far, far from infallible, but this is just so obvious. Stats must be taken in context, age matters, teammates matter, skillset matters. Get Banchero some spacing and he’s going to look like an entirely different player.

It’s baffling how poorly put together this roster is outside of Paolo, Franz, Suggs and you could say Moe Wagner.

[tmorgan]

It’s not about the injury, people, although that doesn’t help. It’s about team construction.

It doesn’t matter anyway, Orlando isn’t going to give up on their forwards-focused experience yet. You just wish they’d stop being so incredibly stupid about the rest of the roster.

FWIW, valuing Markkanen over Banchero is absolutely INSANE. You’d all fail horribly as scouts. And I say this as someone that is far, far from infallible, but this is just so obvious. Stats must be taken in context, age matters, teammates matter, skillset matters. Get Banchero some spacing and he’s going to look like an entirely different player.

It’s baffling how poorly put together this roster is outside of Paolo, Franz, Suggs and you could say Moe Wagner.

The worst part is, there are dozens and dozens of readily available and not incredibly expensive players, mostly guards, that would be a major improvement. It’s not like things can’t be done. Orlando insists on playing guys that can’t pass (Cole, KCP) or can’t or won’t shoot (Black). They know what they have in Suggs — a PG on defense and a combo guard on offense. He’s not a great scorer, but he’ll make some shots, make simple passes, draw some fouls. Why draft Black? He’s just a crappier version of Suggs. I understood the KCP signing, his fast fade wasn’t predictable. But feeding Cole minutes, paying 15 mil for a defender in Isaac to play behind better players, ugh, there’s just so many wild decisions in there.

And despite all that, when healthy and in sync, Orlando’s a good team. Offensively challenged, for sure, but still good. Get off KCP and Cole, sell Black and Isaac, dump Jett, find some offense and a real PG. Not that hard to see.