2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8

[MettaWorldPanda]

Between Mitchell and Duncan ETO it’s frees up money for the rookie class and MLE. Maybe Mitchell gets a piece of the MLE after his non tender that makes him a non restricted free agent.

[Beenie]

Mitchell meh

No more love affairs with role players

Team is star deprived in the worst way

All of the focus should be on getting one first before deciding which Tito’s are worth keeping.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Mitchell meh

No more love affairs with role players

Team is star deprived in the worst way

All of the focus should be on getting one first before deciding which Tito’s are worth keeping.

Facts. I’m not gonna hold it against the organization if they have something in the works that gets them under the tax line this year and not have to push it out another year. If they know someone will claim Mitchell and get us off the hook then do it. Don’t need to hold on if we are tanking. Let Stevens finish out the year on his 2 way. Sign a vet backup PG next year on a one year deal that keeps our 2026 flexibility. I’m hoping we can get Sexton in here to mix in with the young stud guard we draft.

[dshearn]

It would be pretty unfortunate to see him go, depending on his market this summer. He would be a perfect backup PG on a contender if we have something big planned. He’s a very good POA defender, he’s very scrappy, great ability to dodge screens and also draw moving screens (best in the league I believe) solid playmaker, and is knocking down his 3s in a Heat jersey at 48%. If he can get the volume from 3 up a little that’d be the only complaint but again, perfect for a backup PG to come in and bring some energy

I love him. Hes a dawg and he makes an impact. Lineups are all over the place, but I feel better every time we put him in.

Fears and Davion is a good rotation.

I would most Def try to keep him around...he has enough offense to be on the floor.

I guess there is a price point you would need him to be at, but he is worth something for sure.

[contract]

Mitchell meh

No more love affairs with role players

Team is star deprived in the worst way

All of the focus should be on getting one first before deciding which Tito’s are worth keeping.

[contract]

It would be pretty unfortunate to see him go, depending on his market this summer. He would be a perfect backup PG on a contender if we have something big planned. He’s a very good POA defender, he’s very scrappy, great ability to dodge screens and also draw moving screens (best in the league I believe) solid playmaker, and is knocking down his 3s in a Heat jersey at 48%. If he can get the volume from 3 up a little that’d be the only complaint but again, perfect for a backup PG to come in and bring some energy

I love him. Hes a dawg and he makes an impact. Lineups are all over the place, but I feel better every time we put him in.

Fears and Davion is a good rotation.

I would most Def try to keep him around...he has enough offense to be on the floor.

I guess there is a price point you would need him to be at, but he is worth something for sure.

His career numbers say that his next contract should be ~ $2.5 million / 1 year.

If he gets a better offer then Dru Smith can be our Gabe Vincent.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I love him. Hes a dawg and he makes an impact. Lineups are all over the place, but I feel better every time we put him in.

Fears and Davion is a good rotation.

I would most Def try to keep him around...he has enough offense to be on the floor.

I guess there is a price point you would need him to be at, but he is worth something for sure.

His career numbers say that his next contract should be ~ $2.5 million / 1 year.

If he gets a better offer then Dru Smith can be our Gabe Vincent.

Mitchell’s RFA tender is 7.8 million next year. When i look at the cap next year i don’t see them tendering him for the right to match as it ties up what little cap they have under the tax line. Heat have been tax payers the last two years and next year would make 3 which puts us right into the repeater tax. They are desperately looking to reset the clock. If Mitchell does come back it will have to be under the premise of a cheap 1 year deal. Somebody in the organization fed Barry the scenario about releasing Mitchell this year so someone can claim him. No way he came up with that himself. Heat are very creative when it comes to cap gymnastics. Just like the Beno Udrih under the table deal.

[wade44]

Random but is there any scenario where Duncan’s ETO doesn’t get declined seeing how the team has such an affinity towards him or can you pencil that move in already?

[Flash4thewin]

I would most Def try to keep him around...he has enough offense to be on the floor.

I guess there is a price point you would need him to be at, but he is worth something for sure.

His career numbers say that his next contract should be ~ $2.5 million / 1 year.

If he gets a better offer then Dru Smith can be our Gabe Vincent.

Mitchell’s RFA tender is 7.8 million next year. When i look at the cap next year i don’t see them tendering him for the right to match as it ties up what little cap they have under the tax line. Heat have been tax payers the last two years and next year would make 3 which puts us right into the repeater tax. They are desperately looking to reset the clock. If Mitchell does come back it will have to be under the premise of a cheap 1 year deal. Somebody in the organization fed Barry the scenario about releasing Mitchell this year so someone can claim him. No way he came up with that himself. Heat are very creative when it comes to cap gymnastics. Just like the Beno Udrih under the table deal.

Realistically who would claim him and would it even make sense for them to do it? Im not even sure he would be playoff eligible so that honestly destroys his market, and releasing him means the team getting him loses the bird rights so who would do it? Remember getting him means that team would lose actual real free money from the tax we need to pay. It's a great idea in theory, great out of the box type move but its also a way too late move, this should have been done before the playoff eligiblity deadline of March 1st (just checked).

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

I think it's time to bench Rozier.


He is clearly gambling again, doing the same thing he is being investigated for - "performing under his benchmarks"

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Wait, I take that back.

It's time to keep Rozier in the starting lineup permanently.


Trying to get Cooper Fl.... I mean, time to support Rozier in these difficult times.

[Voltron914]

His career numbers say that his next contract should be ~ $2.5 million / 1 year.

If he gets a better offer then Dru Smith can be our Gabe Vincent.

Mitchell’s RFA tender is 7.8 million next year. When i look at the cap next year i don’t see them tendering him for the right to match as it ties up what little cap they have under the tax line. Heat have been tax payers the last two years and next year would make 3 which puts us right into the repeater tax. They are desperately looking to reset the clock. If Mitchell does come back it will have to be under the premise of a cheap 1 year deal. Somebody in the organization fed Barry the scenario about releasing Mitchell this year so someone can claim him. No way he came up with that himself. Heat are very creative when it comes to cap gymnastics. Just like the Beno Udrih under the table deal.

Realistically who would claim him and would it even make sense for them to do it? Im not even sure he would be playoff eligible so that honestly destroys his market, and releasing him means the team getting him loses the bird rights so who would do it? Remember getting him means that team would lose actual real free money from the tax we need to pay. It's a great idea in theory, great out of the box type move but its also a way too late move, this should have been done before the playoff eligiblity deadline of March 1st (just checked).

i hope he returns next season. he is one of the few bright spots of this season and is the type of player we will need if we plan on competing in the east against the elite small guards. i rather they try to talk Wiggins into a back loaded extension or have him walk.
Bam,Ware, Mitchell, and Jovic are 4 guys i want to see together healthy

[MettaWorldPanda]

His career numbers say that his next contract should be ~ $2.5 million / 1 year.

If he gets a better offer then Dru Smith can be our Gabe Vincent.

Mitchell’s RFA tender is 7.8 million next year. When i look at the cap next year i don’t see them tendering him for the right to match as it ties up what little cap they have under the tax line. Heat have been tax payers the last two years and next year would make 3 which puts us right into the repeater tax. They are desperately looking to reset the clock. If Mitchell does come back it will have to be under the premise of a cheap 1 year deal. Somebody in the organization fed Barry the scenario about releasing Mitchell this year so someone can claim him. No way he came up with that himself. Heat are very creative when it comes to cap gymnastics. Just like the Beno Udrih under the table deal.

Realistically who would claim him and would it even make sense for them to do it? Im not even sure he would be playoff eligible so that honestly destroys his market, and releasing him means the team getting him loses the bird rights so who would do it? Remember getting him means that team would lose actual real free money from the tax we need to pay. It's a great idea in theory, great out of the box type move but its also a way too late move, this should have been done before the playoff eligiblity deadline of March 1st (just checked).

A team would simply need a roster spot and a little bit of cap space to absorb him. He won’t be playoff eligible but they will have his bird rights. Heat would have to do some due diligence. May they already have.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Wade didn’t warn him that Pat was washed when he gift wrapped him to Miami

[batterybro42]

Need to see what the market value is for Herro

His value will never be higher than it is right now. To me he works as either a 3rd option for a team trying to win it all or as a marketable player in on a terrible team like the Hornets.

If you can get a draft haul for him or package him with other assets to get a high end star you do it.

We need to get some athleticism on the court and some Heat level defenders. I feel Spo hates coaching this team deep down. This is the least gritty Heat team I’ve watched aside from 1-2 years in the 2000s. You’re talking almost 30 years of ball. I also feel like the Bam/Ware pairing isn’t a great fit, and this team got worse when we started doing that. Ware is a much better player when he’s the only big on the floor. Miami needs to make a decision there as well. If they think Ware is capable of being a stand alone big they may want to invest in that, if they don’t consider him that level of player it might be a time to sell on him when the market is high for him.

I think one of the things that makes Bam so valuable is that you can play him at the 5 and it makes your lineup completely switchable and his advantage against other 5s is his athleticism. When you play him at the 4 it’s not like he’s shown the aggressiveness or physicality to push that advantage if he gets a matchup like that, and really in the modern NBA it’s hard to play two bigs down like that, and force a matchup with anybody but the 5 in a post/face up situation.

I’d like to see us get back to finding a more small ball oriented 4. I was really hoping to see what Keshad Johnson could do this year but I guess he just sucks.

When Miami has been really good outside the Big 3 years they have always had some grimy undersized guy playing the 4 doing all the little stuff, and spacing the floor. First it was Haslem doing it from the elbow and the mid range corner, then it became guys like Battier, Deng, Crowder, Tucker, and lastly Caleb Martin doing it from 3 and connecting the defense. It created the frenetic defensive efforts and switches that have been a hallmark of this defense. We don’t have that right now.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Random but is there any scenario where Duncan’s ETO doesn’t get declined seeing how the team has such an affinity towards him or can you pencil that move in already?

My guess is they tell Duncan to renegotiate a 1 and 1 deal with team option or he takes his 9.9 million and hits free agency. His 10 mil off the cap next year frees precious room under the cap for potential MLE and to sign draft class along with Burks expiring and 7.8 non tender of Mitchell.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Flash4thewin]

Need to see what the market value is for Herro

His value will never be higher than it is right now. To me he works as either a 3rd option for a team trying to win it all or as a marketable player in on a terrible team like the Hornets.

If you can get a draft haul for him or package him with other assets to get a high end star you do it.

We need to get some athleticism on the court and some Heat level defenders. I feel Spo hates coaching this team deep down. This is the least gritty Heat team I’ve watched aside from 1-2 years in the 2000s. You’re talking almost 30 years of ball. I also feel like the Bam/Ware pairing isn’t a great fit, and this team got worse when we started doing that. Ware is a much better player when he’s the only big on the floor. Miami needs to make a decision there as well. If they think Ware is capable of being a stand alone big they may want to invest in that, if they don’t consider him that level of player it might be a time to sell on him when the market is high for him.

I think one of the things that makes Bam so valuable is that you can play him at the 5 and it makes your lineup completely switchable and his advantage against other 5s is his athleticism. When you play him at the 4 it’s not like he’s shown the aggressiveness or physicality to push that advantage if he gets a matchup like that, and really in the modern NBA it’s hard to play two bigs down like that, and force a matchup with anybody but the 5 in a post/face up situation.

I’d like to see us get back to finding a more small ball oriented 4. I was really hoping to see what Keshad Johnson could do this year but I guess he just sucks.

When Miami has been really good outside the Big 3 years they have always had some grimy undersized guy playing the 4 doing all the little stuff, and spacing the floor. First it was Haslem doing it from the elbow and the mid range corner, then it became guys like Battier, Deng, Crowder, Tucker, and lastly Caleb Martin doing it from 3 and connecting the defense. It created the frenetic defensive efforts and switches that have been a hallmark of this defense. We don’t have that right now.

Trading Herro is a two fold problem unfortunately. Im all for it but the problem is that since we are on the tank train, next years pick is 100% unprotected going to OKC. Herro was one of the few players who single handedly dragging us to wins before the wheels fell off. The other problem is he wont bring back enough to justify trading him, basically he means more to us than what we can get in a trade. Also remember, he is up for an extension and starting next season he will only have one year left on the books. If we get him to sign an extension then his value does jump back up because he would be locked in for a few more season. Finally remember our front office and its ego make it unlikely we trade Herro. Now if we somehow make the playoffs then that changes everything then, we can actively look to trade Herro because we own our draft pick next year. It's a mess honestly.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Duncan is about to turn 31. We could stand to get younger and more prolific from the backup shooting guard spot that also plays defense. This team is in need of a facelift.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Need to see what the market value is for Herro

His value will never be higher than it is right now. To me he works as either a 3rd option for a team trying to win it all or as a marketable player in on a terrible team like the Hornets.

If you can get a draft haul for him or package him with other assets to get a high end star you do it.

We need to get some athleticism on the court and some Heat level defenders. I feel Spo hates coaching this team deep down. This is the least gritty Heat team I’ve watched aside from 1-2 years in the 2000s. You’re talking almost 30 years of ball. I also feel like the Bam/Ware pairing isn’t a great fit, and this team got worse when we started doing that. Ware is a much better player when he’s the only big on the floor. Miami needs to make a decision there as well. If they think Ware is capable of being a stand alone big they may want to invest in that, if they don’t consider him that level of player it might be a time to sell on him when the market is high for him.

I think one of the things that makes Bam so valuable is that you can play him at the 5 and it makes your lineup completely switchable and his advantage against other 5s is his athleticism. When you play him at the 4 it’s not like he’s shown the aggressiveness or physicality to push that advantage if he gets a matchup like that, and really in the modern NBA it’s hard to play two bigs down like that, and force a matchup with anybody but the 5 in a post/face up situation.

I’d like to see us get back to finding a more small ball oriented 4. I was really hoping to see what Keshad Johnson could do this year but I guess he just sucks.

When Miami has been really good outside the Big 3 years they have always had some grimy undersized guy playing the 4 doing all the little stuff, and spacing the floor. First it was Haslem doing it from the elbow and the mid range corner, then it became guys like Battier, Deng, Crowder, Tucker, and lastly Caleb Martin doing it from 3 and connecting the defense. It created the frenetic defensive efforts and switches that have been a hallmark of this defense. We don’t have that right now.

Trading Herro is a two fold problem unfortunately. Im all for it but the problem is that since we are on the tank train, next years pick is 100% unprotected going to OKC. Herro was one of the few players who single handedly dragging us to wins before the wheels fell off. The other problem is he wont bring back enough to justify trading him, basically he means more to us than what we can get in a trade. Also remember, he is up for an extension and starting next season he will only have one year left on the books. If we get him to sign an extension then his value does jump back up because he would be locked in for a few more season. Finally remember our front office and its ego make it unlikely we trade Herro. Now if we somehow make the playoffs then that changes everything then, we can actively look to trade Herro because we own our draft pick next year. It's a mess honestly.

You nailed this. Herro is basically worth more to us. You could probably get like a Sexton and Clarkson type of package but in terms of getting good matching contracts and picks not sure about that. This is squarely looking like a continued Bam and Herro build for Atleast until next year. We are about to have a ton of money open up in 2026 so they’ll play this out and see how they do with legit reinforcements.