2025 NFL Off-Season

[DOT]

To be fair, I kind of get it. His dead cap is still higher than his actual cap hit. Ya they would save the 10 mil roster bonus, but still doesn't make up for the difference.

His actual legit contract out is after this upcoming season. Next year his cap hit is 57.5 vs a dead cap hit of 35. So they can actually save 20+ mil cutting him after this upcoming season.

For this upcoming season, his cap hit is 40 mil, while his dead cap hit is 75mil...

There is just no getting around this. This was a horrible contract to give out and even dumber to then draft Penix.

I'm just confused as to why they would take on more dead money basically (sunk cost). They already owed him $65m. Now it's $75m in total?

They had the option of releasing him with a post June 1st designation. That way they could've spread the hit over 2 years.

I was watching someone talk about the deal a couple days ago (since some Vikings fans were open to the idea of him coming back to Minny for cheap to be the backup). It's a pretty tricky contract from what it sounds like and far beyond my basic level of understanding of the NFL cap haha.

But what it sounded like is this. Kirk on the roster this year, is cheaper than him not on it. His dead cap is 75 (65 prior to this bonus), but him on the roster and all the bonuses have his cap hit at like 40 or 50. Plus there is something with the way his roster bonus works, that there is a possibility it gets offset next year if he's on a different team (traded).

So long story short. Sounded like there was no actual financial benefit for the team to cut him this year. Especially with next summer being a far more beneficial time to part ways with him.

But ya I won't lie. I think I have a pretty solid grasp of the basics of the NFL cap. But once it starts to get real advance, I start getting pretty lost haha

I mean, it's that plus they don't really need the cap right now

Like, there's really nobody to use it on, so the little they save wouldn't do much

Plus, if anything happens with Penix, Kirk is still a legitimate starting QB, or at least would be better than anyone else you could get right now outside of drafting one in the 1st

No real benefit to cutting him this year, like you said though next year he's gone.

[Worm Guts]

Also from all the reporting coming out right now.

Sounds like KOC wants Rodgers in Minnesota. Sounds like the hurdle now is the price. Seems like the Vikings only will be willing to take him on at a very discounted 1 year deal. While Rodgers may still be looking for a legit QB deal. But some reports are also saying they don't think this will be a sticking point for Rodgers.

I'm now at the point where I expect Rodgers to be in Purple this year...

I’m not all against it. It would mean the Vikings hopes aren’t all on McCarthy staying healthy and playing at a high level, plus I always enjoy sticking it to the Packers. The Favre year was a lot of fun (at least until the last play).

[Cactus Jack]

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Jerry ALL IN on Dak.

[bluejerseyjinx]

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Jerry all-in on Dak.

[Cactus Jack]

Yup. Unless you have a bad GM/Cap guy. That Kupp contract should end up being in that 2/23-25 range. And it's not just the guaranteed money you need to wait to hear.

Take the Jonathan Allen contract for example. It first reported as a 3/60 deal. That 60 immediately got cut down to 51 once you take out the "not likely to be earned" incentives (those incentives aren't even accounted for on the cap, unless they miraculously hit them and even then, they don't actually hit the cap until the next season).

Then that 3rd year for Allen technically is on the books as a 17.4 mil cap hit. But the dead cap is only 4.6 mil. So they can just cut him and save themselves 13 mil. And the 4.6 really is just around 1% of the cap, not much of a hit at all.

So the initial report of the Allen contract being 3/60. Actually ends up being a 2/33 contract.

The Darnold deal looks even better. The team can get out after the first year. No guarantees beyond 2025.

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[QB_Eagles]

The Darnold deal looks even better. The team can get out after the first year.

But that means you're looking for a QB again.

[Cactus Jack]

The Darnold deal looks even better. The team can get out after the first year.

But that means you're looking for a QB again.

Well, it protects the team. If he's terrible then the team can cut ties. The last 2 years of the contract are basically team options. They can decide to move on if things go south.

[QB_Eagles]

The Darnold deal looks even better. The team can get out after the first year.

But that means you're looking for a QB again.

Well, it protects the team. If he's terrible then the team can cut ties. The last 2 years of the contract are basically team options. They can decide to move on if things go south.

At least Kirk Cousins will be available next offseason.

[Jaydubb]

But that means you're looking for a QB again.

Well, it protects the team. If he's terrible then the team can cut ties. The last 2 years of the contract are basically team options. They can decide to move on if things go south.

At least Kirk Cousins will be available next offseason.

And Aaron Rodgers, again

[hermes]

Also from all the reporting coming out right now.

Sounds like KOC wants Rodgers in Minnesota. Sounds like the hurdle now is the price. Seems like the Vikings only will be willing to take him on at a very discounted 1 year deal. While Rodgers may still be looking for a legit QB deal. But some reports are also saying they don't think this will be a sticking point for Rodgers.

I'm now at the point where I expect Rodgers to be in Purple this year...

I’m not all against it. It would mean the Vikings hopes aren’t all on McCarthy staying healthy and playing at a high level, plus I always enjoy sticking it to the Packers. The Favre year was a lot of fun (at least until the last play).

that's true but this doesn't feel like that to me. more like selling our soul to the devil - we've already done it once and it didn't even work! (i.e. winning a super bowl).

its just a mental block thing for me. i've been conditioned to dislike the packers, especially and primarily, their starting quarterbacks - who are usually always good and better than ours. by the time i finally came around to fully embracing a farve-led 2009 team the clock struck midnight and it turned back into a pumpkin

[Duke4life831]

Yup. Unless you have a bad GM/Cap guy. That Kupp contract should end up being in that 2/23-25 range. And it's not just the guaranteed money you need to wait to hear.

Take the Jonathan Allen contract for example. It first reported as a 3/60 deal. That 60 immediately got cut down to 51 once you take out the "not likely to be earned" incentives (those incentives aren't even accounted for on the cap, unless they miraculously hit them and even then, they don't actually hit the cap until the next season).

Then that 3rd year for Allen technically is on the books as a 17.4 mil cap hit. But the dead cap is only 4.6 mil. So they can just cut him and save themselves 13 mil. And the 4.6 really is just around 1% of the cap, not much of a hit at all.

So the initial report of the Allen contract being 3/60. Actually ends up being a 2/33 contract.

The Darnold deal looks even better. The team can get out after the first year. No guarantees beyond 2025.

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No dead cap after year 1 except if he’s injured?

Ya so Seattle just gave him another 1 year prove it deal. And the thing that makes it even better. Seattle can just turn it into another single prove it deal for the next 2 seasons after if they want to keep rolling with him.

I can’t lie, that is as team friendly of a deal I think you can possibly get for a QB.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25140066-jamarr-chase-bengals-agree-record-161m-contract-tee-higgins-signs-115m-deal

Bengals extend Chase and Higgins. I never thought the cheap ownership would get it done.

Still need 2 starting guards and the defense still sucks but hey, losing games 59 to 60 next season should be fun.

[Cactus Jack]

Choosing to spend that much on two receivers is certainly an odd choice.

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[JujitsuFlip]

Choosing to spend that much on two receivers is certainly an odd choice.

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It is what Burrow wanted, unfortunately.

Bringing Gesicki back makes no sense now as that money could've went to a starting guard.

[wco81]

Speculation is that Higgins will eventually be traded.

[El Turco]

But that means you're looking for a QB again.

Well, it protects the team. If he's terrible then the team can cut ties. The last 2 years of the contract are basically team options. They can decide to move on if things go south.

At least Kirk Cousins will be available next offseason.

Bridge QB extraordinaire

[Duke4life831]

Choosing to spend that much on two receivers is certainly an odd choice.

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Don’t worry they already have their defense all figured out. It was their offense that was the problem, so need to spend all their extra cash on that side of the ball…

[JujitsuFlip]

Choosing to spend that much on two receivers is certainly an odd choice.

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Don’t worry they already have their defense all figured out. It was their offense that was the problem, so need to spend all their extra cash on that side of the ball…

Lol right? Makes no sense. There's a reason that players should not play GM but the Bengals owner has been the GM since '91 and we see how that turned out.

They have so many holes on defense they could spend all 6 draft picks on that side of the ball and it wouldn't make a difference. They have the smallest scouting department in the NFL though, so I'm sure that is a factor.

[wco81]

Choosing to spend that much on two receivers is certainly an odd choice.

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Don’t worry they already have their defense all figured out. It was their offense that was the problem, so need to spend all their extra cash on that side of the ball…

So one of those 3 big money guys get injured and hen they get a top 4 pick to draft a stud.

Who will be another offensive player.

Brilliant!

[JujitsuFlip]