Official ‘24-25 Off-season Thread

[drchaos]

If the Nets landed Cooper Flagg and KD ad Kyrie wanted to come back how would you build the team around them?

[TheNetsFan]

looks like the offseason of giannis is about to commence.

still think the bucks would have been smart to try to get their 2025 pick and roll dice on a lotto pick in a strong draft. any future picks they get from a team with giannis are likely to not be lotto.

Nets and Knicks are top 2 odds for Giannis, no idea what it is the Knicks could actually trade for him since they have no picks? basically has to be towns for salary matching, plus the wizards pick which looks unlikely to convey in next 2 seasons. top 10 protection this year, top 8 next year, then turns into 2 second round picks. i think they can aggregate in the offseason so maybe they can add in deuce mcbride?

either way seems like nets could easily best that with a 2025 first plus 2 unprotected future firsts, salary relief, and maybe kick in a young roster players (clowney or wilson). plenty of picks left for nets to continue building around Giannis, Bucks get young assets plus a massive TPE they can use to basically accept anyone they want over the next year.

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If a Giannis trade were to happen in the offseason, I think you have to also trade away Claxton & try to sign Turner or a different stretch big.

It's going to be hard to get Milwaukee to move him. They don't have control of any of their picks through 2030, and different teams have some level of control of their picks. If they wanted to regain control of their ability to tank, they'd have to work primarily through NOLA ('26-'27) and Portland (28-30). Atlanta also holds some claim to their '27.

Unless NOLA wants to pursue Giannis themselves (Zion + picks?), a team wanting to pursue Giannis might have to first extract those picks from NOLA in a separate deal.

[Netaman]

If a Giannis trade were to happen in the offseason, I think you have to also trade away Claxton & try to sign Turner or a different stretch big.

It's going to be hard to get Milwaukee to move him. They don't have control of any of their picks through 2030, and different teams have some level of control of their picks. If they wanted to regain control of their ability to tank, they'd have to work primarily through NOLA ('26-'27) and Portland (28-30). Atlanta also holds some claim to their '27.

Unless NOLA wants to pursue Giannis themselves (Zion + picks?), a team wanting to pursue Giannis might have to first extract those picks from NOLA in a separate deal.

Their bigger problem is im not sure anyone trades for him if he doesn't want to go there, obviously a lot less time under contract remaining than KD or Lillard had when they steered their destination.

Does OKC or SA get involved thinking he is a piece to take them to next level? They could put together very strong offers if he's willing to go there. 2 NY teams being at the top of the odds seems to be notable.

Claxton is young enough he could be a piece going back to MIL. Or he could be a piece in a separate trade for KD. If you are in for a "penny" with Giannis this offseason, you may as well be in for a pound with KD too since we know he liked it here and is going to be back on the block.

Let's get crazy - 2 unprotected future firsts to PHO for KD, 3 firsts to MIL for Giannis (1 pick in 2025), Claxton to 1 of them, maybe some other pieces but Nets keep the 2025 lotto pick this year and bring back DLo as PG on a 1 year deal with team option:

DLo
CamT
KD
CamJ
Giannis

bench = clowney, keon, top 10 pick, zaire, wilson, whitehead, remaining 2025 firsts. maybe bring back sharpe too.

if you end up with a guard in top 10 be it harper or edgecomb or demin or traore or whoever you groom that guy behind Dlo.

what's crazy is you could do all that and probably still have a bunch of picks left too...

[Netaman]

this says failed because the nets would be adding $72m in salary, but I believe Bobby Marks projects them to have almost exactly that much in cap space. They could easily add some of their young players to this but I'm pretty sure they could pull this off as a step 1, then resign some of their own guys camT/dlo/zaire/sharpe/etc.

cap is supposed to be 155m next year, 1st apron around 195m, so some rough math $122.5m for Giannis/KD/CamJ, should be enough room to bring back DLo/CamT and a few others along with their rookie scale guys (wilson, clowney, whitehead, 2x 2025 firsts, keon).

[TheNetsFan]

If a Giannis trade were to happen in the offseason, I think you have to also trade away Claxton & try to sign Turner or a different stretch big.

It's going to be hard to get Milwaukee to move him. They don't have control of any of their picks through 2030, and different teams have some level of control of their picks. If they wanted to regain control of their ability to tank, they'd have to work primarily through NOLA ('26-'27) and Portland (28-30). Atlanta also holds some claim to their '27.

Unless NOLA wants to pursue Giannis themselves (Zion + picks?), a team wanting to pursue Giannis might have to first extract those picks from NOLA in a separate deal.

Their bigger problem is im not sure anyone trades for him if he doesn't want to go there, obviously a lot less time under contract remaining than KD or Lillard had when they steered their destination.

Does OKC or SA get involved thinking he is a piece to take them to next level? They could put together very strong offers if he's willing to go there. 2 NY teams being at the top of the odds seems to be notable.

Claxton is young enough he could be a piece going back to MIL. Or he could be a piece in a separate trade for KD. If you are in for a "penny" with Giannis this offseason, you may as well be in for a pound with KD too since we know he liked it here and is going to be back on the block.

Let's get crazy - 2 unprotected future firsts to PHO for KD, 3 firsts to MIL for Giannis (1 pick in 2025), Claxton to 1 of them, maybe some other pieces but Nets keep the 2025 lotto pick this year and bring back DLo as PG on a 1 year deal with team option:

DLo
CamT
KD
CamJ
Giannis

bench = clowney, keon, top 10 pick, zaire, wilson, whitehead, remaining 2025 firsts. maybe bring back sharpe too.

if you end up with a guard in top 10 be it harper or edgecomb or demin or traore or whoever you groom that guy behind Dlo.

what's crazy is you could do all that and probably still have a bunch of picks left too...

I think it's more likely that Clax goes to a third team like the Lakers who would re-route some more rebuild-centric pieces, to Milwaukee.

[Stone]

Let's all pray for a full recovery for Wemby.....

[Netaman]

I think it's more likely that Clax goes to a third team like the Lakers who would re-route some more rebuild-centric pieces, to Milwaukee.

that would make sense. OKC and SAS are the wild cards, would be very interesting to see how all in either is on Giannis and how much he'd want to go to either of them. Either would seem to make more sense in their life cycles than the nets but also both have more salary on the books and as far as markets go aren't traditionally the most appealing.

who knows, it's possible either doesn't want to roll the dice on him. Houston I guess another team that could fit as a buyer.

[Stone]

Rant incoming.......

First off I feel bad for Mav's fans. Losing Luka and now Kyrie's torn ACL.

But when we had our collapse a few seasons ago there were threads about the Nets being the biggest failures ever. All kinds of posters chiming in on how bad we f***** up and seemed happy about it to boot.

Now we are seeing condolence threads for the Mav's and their fans.....

I know it is a different situation but still.

Rant/

[Netaman]

Rant incoming.......

First off I feel bad for Mav's fans. Losing Luka and now Kyrie's torn ACL.

But when we had our collapse a few seasons ago there were threads about the Nets being the biggest failures ever. All kinds of posters chiming in on how bad we f***** up and seemed happy about it to boot.

Now we are seeing condolence threads for the Mav's and their fans.....

I know it is a different situation but still.

Rant/

i think the mavs situation is so much more depressing than nets now people just feel bad. to have a 25 year old cornerstone franchise player moved proactively, and then the luck only get worse from there, and not really have any pick equity. it's pretty hopeless looking.

[vincecarter4pres]

Rant incoming.......

First off I feel bad for Mav's fans. Losing Luka and now Kyrie's torn ACL.

But when we had our collapse a few seasons ago there were threads about the Nets being the biggest failures ever. All kinds of posters chiming in on how bad we f***** up and seemed happy about it to boot.

Now we are seeing condolence threads for the Mav's and their fans.....

I know it is a different situation but still.

Rant/

i think the mavs situation is so much more depressing than nets now people just feel bad. to have a 25 year old cornerstone franchise player moved proactively, and then the luck only get worse from there, and not really have any pick equity. it's pretty hopeless looking.

Yeah it’s completely different for them, but it makes sending out that Mavs pick all the worse on our end.

That’s my rant.

I get you have to give to get, but what an overpay to not even get back all our picks and swaps.

Not being a hindsight henchman either, I said this the moment the full details were out and have said the Suns picks were probably going to be lotto starting immediately in ‘25, for months before the swap with Houston.

[Netaman]

Rant incoming.......

First off I feel bad for Mav's fans. Losing Luka and now Kyrie's torn ACL.

But when we had our collapse a few seasons ago there were threads about the Nets being the biggest failures ever. All kinds of posters chiming in on how bad we f***** up and seemed happy about it to boot.

Now we are seeing condolence threads for the Mav's and their fans.....

I know it is a different situation but still.

Rant/

i think the mavs situation is so much more depressing than nets now people just feel bad. to have a 25 year old cornerstone franchise player moved proactively, and then the luck only get worse from there, and not really have any pick equity. it's pretty hopeless looking.

Yeah it’s completely different for them, but it makes sending out that Mavs pick all the worse on our end.

That’s my rant.

I get you have to give to get, but what an overpay to not even get back all our picks and swaps.

Not being a hindsight henchman either, I said this the moment the full details were out and have said the Suns picks were probably going to be lotto starting immediately in ‘25, for months before the swap with Houston.

i had the same reaction at the time you did, that it felt like an overpay, but i looked at that deal the other day and it wasnt that bad.

Nets got 2 picks:
1. this years pick (odds going to be 7th or better, at worst 1 in 3 chance of top 4, could get to 42% since Toronto is 1 win behind)
2. next years pick

Houston got 4 picks:
1. a swap to PHO pick (current odds are 12th, they are now likely get ahead of Mavs for play-in, top 4 odds in lotto will be 4% or less, and 1% or less for Flagg)
2. suns 2027 (promising but unlikely it's better than nets 2026 unless nets get Giannis or something crazy)
3. 2 most favorable in 2029 (again, could be good but who knows, it is 5 drafts away)

they basically gave up 2 picks in 2029 to upgrade both picks in 2025 and 2026. Through 2028 they are likely to be ahead on that deal and then Houston is hoping to get luck in 2029 to bring it even or move ahead.

this year's 2025 pick is going to be about 10x more likely to hit top 4 in the lotto, and even greater odds increase than that to get #1oa. If it hits top 4 IMO it will be worth whatever comes in the future picks. And that is with the picks traded away each imploding as bad/quickly as possibly (best case scenario for houston).

and best case scenario for nets could have easily been top 2-3 odds on their pick both 25/26 with pho/dallas playoff teams again for foreseeable future.

as it is if they get 2 top 10 picks from their picks in the next 3 drafts while houston gets 0, then in my mind houston would have to come pretty close to getting 2 top 10 picks in 2029 to be anywhere close on the deal working out. 2 top 10 picks in strong drafts years ahead of time are worth 2 non-top 10s and 2 top 10s 5 years out. the nets have a chance to get their own versions of tatum/brown in the next 2 years, they need to succeed on their picks and then what happens in 2029 wont matter even if it gets houston a shot at doing the same.

[vincecarter4pres]

Can definitely see a world where Cam Johnson is traded to OKC for the Philly pick and salary filler if they keep it at 7-9.

Makes a lot of sense for both teams.

[Papi_swav]

Can definitely see a world where Cam Johnson is traded to OKC for the Philly pick and salary filler if they keep it at 7-9.

Makes a lot of sense for both teams.

I would jump all over that. I was saying the same thing on the other thread, I think CamJ gets traded for a #10 pick or so, or they'll trade some picks to move up. It will be great if they can get 2 lotto picks in this draft because I think this draft is loaded with talent. If they can get a combo of Fears, Tre Johnson, Jakucionis, Asa Newell etc.. it will be perfect building blocks for Nets.

[vincecarter4pres]

Man if Cooper Flagg actually returns to school, really hurts us in the draft no matter what pick we windup with.

[Netaman]

Man if Cooper Flagg actually returns to school, really hurts us in the draft no matter what pick we windup with.

pretty sure no chance he goes back.

jakucionas is putting on a show vs xavier right now, triple double pace with a few minutes left in first half. very impressive under the bright lights so far. passing looks great, hit a deep step back 3, breaking down the defense, pretty good athlete/length on defense. he's seemed like the most common #5 guy on big boards, if he keeps playing this way he's a guy i'd be excited to get.

[Netaman]

Jakuconias ended up 1 rebound shy of triple double.

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[Netaman]

for those into scouting top 10 pick component of march madness:

vj edgecomb vs duke (flagg/knuepple/maluach) at 2:40p est
jakucionas vs kentucky at 5:15p est
queen vs csu at 7:10p est
jase richardson vs new mexico at 8:40p est

that could be 7 of the future top 10 picks in action today.

[Netaman]

nets basically locked #6 in lotto odds (philly would have to go 2-0 with nets going 0-3).

phoenix is likely to end up #9-11, but in either spot the odds of moving up are less than half of nets odds of moving up from #6. assuming they stay ahead of PHO, they will have essentially traded up this year and gotten next year's pick for 2 distant unprotect firsts.

milwaukee first is currently #18 with them having 3 to play. 1 vs charlotte 2 vs detroit. MIN is 1 behind getting above play in, need them to win. bucks are locked into 5th and wont get the pick so hopefully they rest giannis.

the other 2 picks are #26/27. Houston's basically locked at #27, but if nets could beat Knicks and they split their other 2 to end at 51 wins it could possibly move to #25.



all in all while the highest possible 27% odds for Flagg or Harper would be better than the 18% they have, they have a similar shot to get lucky and move up for either. it's roughly 2/10. 3/10 they get to top 3 vs what could have been 4/10 with best possible odds.

odds are meaningless after the lotto is set, thankfully they have Jordi. he appears worth the odds difference with what he was able to do with a bunch of g-leaguers. this also appears to be a good draft to be in the #2-#9 range (also a deep one with good players all the way through top 20). need some luck to get an impact player, but Marks is for the first time going to be in position to add someone he really likes. maybe 2 or 3 someones.

[ecuhus1981]

I'm crossing fingers for lottery luck, and I don't regret the direction of the franchise. I would rather ethically tank just as we've done, with competent strategy and tireless effort on the court.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Bill Simmons said on his podcast today that the Nets are the favorite to land Giannis. Apparently he wants to to New York and the Knicks don't have enough to trade for him.

Its weird because we don't have the peices to contend with Giannis What other move could we make?

Maybe a KD trade?

Sounds absurd. I'm hoping we can just build through the draft.

But if we had

D Lo
Free Agent
Cam J
KD
Giannis

Would be insane.