Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[JRoy]

I guess I had the same circular debate with a couple of your no doubt stoned POR cronies...I'm suggesting that the guy you'd take at 8 isn't any less valuable to you than the guy you'd ultimately take at 13. In fact, might even be the same guy. I'm proposing you holding our guy hostage.

But I can't argue with "High picks are better than lower picks"...just like you can't argue with "More picks are better than less picks". There's certainly degrees to each.

Lotto luck does happen. If POR lucks into top 3 pick the conversation changes. If not (much more likely), I would like to move the pick with other assets to get Harper or just select BPA.

Pat Williams' ghost will see to it that Harper goes to ORL and we can stop the silly Simons' lust

I’m hoping for Harper myself. His outside shot is a bit wonky but he looks like an excellent nba lead guard.

[Skybox]

Lotto luck does happen. If POR lucks into top 3 pick the conversation changes. If not (much more likely), I would like to move the pick with other assets to get Harper or just select BPA.

Pat Williams' ghost will see to it that Harper goes to ORL and we can stop the silly Simons' lust

I’m hoping for Harper myself. His outside shot is a bit wonky but he looks like an excellent nba lead guard.

To me, there's Flagg, then Harper, then...everyone else (not even close to the top 2). Maluach happens to look like a perfect fit, but the rest are a blur to me.

[JRoy]

Pat Williams' ghost will see to it that Harper goes to ORL and we can stop the silly Simons' lust

I’m hoping for Harper myself. His outside shot is a bit wonky but he looks like an excellent nba lead guard.

To me, there's Flagg, then Harper, then...everyone else (not even close to the top 2). Maluach happens to look like a perfect fit, but the rest are a blur to me.

I am not a draft expert though am really looking forward to the Tournament. VJ might be a hard bust or very good.

[Skybox]

I’m hoping for Harper myself. His outside shot is a bit wonky but he looks like an excellent nba lead guard.

To me, there's Flagg, then Harper, then...everyone else (not even close to the top 2). Maluach happens to look like a perfect fit, but the rest are a blur to me.

I am not a draft expert though am really looking forward to the Tournament. VJ might be a hard bust or very good.

I'm not either but, so far at least, I just see another Keyonte. Great highlights, great intensity, classic Baylor aggressiveness...meh BBIQ...but, yeah, I know nothing. This is the time of year where I hate POR for closeting Schmitz.

[JRoy]

To me, there's Flagg, then Harper, then...everyone else (not even close to the top 2). Maluach happens to look like a perfect fit, but the rest are a blur to me.

I am not a draft expert though am really looking forward to the Tournament. VJ might be a hard bust or very good.

I'm not either but, so far at least, I just see another Keyonte. Great highlights, great intensity, classic Baylor aggressiveness...meh BBIQ...but, yeah, I know nothing. This is the time of year where I hate POR for closeting Schmitz.

I wanted Eason and Edey the last two drafts. Time will tell who was right.

[basketballRob]

I think the Magic will end up picking 16 and 25. Weltman has never traded a 1st-round pick before. Who do we pick, and which players do we let go or trade?

The last 4 16th picks have been Sengun, AJ Griffin, Keyonte, and McCain.

Quickley and Grimes were 25th picks.

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[JRoy]

Does ORL really want 2 more young guys?

[eyriq]

Does ORL really want 2 more young guys?

I do. Keep the player development pipeline full.

[Idiosyncratic]

Does ORL really want 2 more young guys?

Not to fill out the rotation. They need a proven guard, but I wouldn't mind two young guys for the deep bench that can hopefully develop into cheap rotation guys when we have 3 expensive contracts and hypothetically a somewhat expensive acquired guard.

Doesn't have to be two 1st round picks though, perfect world for me would be to trade one for help and then consolidate our 2nds and a future 2nd into a higher 2nd. Perfect doesn't always materialize though.

I would say most of our fans do not want to add rookies. Which is reasonable I guess, but just based off how many trades Weltman makes and how little 1st round pick for player trades there are on draft day recently ( I think you guys were the only 1 last year?) I think it is likely we make at least one of our picks.

[Skybox]

Does ORL really want 2 more young guys?

I do. Keep the player development pipeline full.

2nd rounders for that...we need players NOW

[BadMofoPimp]

If Simons asking price is too high, maybe go for Dejounte Murray as he plays solid defense and outside of this season, hasn't been bad from 3. Plus, he averaged 7.4 apg. Can probably be had cheap for KCP and a pick and Jett . Probably more than that but still a solid 2 way player.

[Skybox]

If Simons asking price is too high, maybe go for Dejounte Murray as he plays solid defense and outside of this season, hasn't been bad from 3. Plus, he averaged 7.4 apg. Can probably be had cheap for KCP and a pick and Jett . Probably more than that but still a solid 2 way player.

Why do you think he'd be discounted? They basically just traded for him and haven't really had a look yet...maybe if they drafted #2 and just handed the keys to Harper from the jump.

CJ, on the other hand, is gettable.

[basketballRob]

If Simons asking price is too high, maybe go for Dejounte Murray as he plays solid defense and outside of this season, hasn't been bad from 3. Plus, he averaged 7.4 apg. Can probably be had cheap for KCP and a pick and Jett . Probably more than that but still a solid 2 way player.

Murray had a ruptured achilles. His career will probably be over as soon as his contracts up.

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[meatwad4343]

Does ORL really want 2 more young guys?

I do. Keep the player development pipeline full.

Well jet is a massive bust, he can honestly be waived after this year and I wouldn't think twice about it. So there's an open spot for a young guy there. Plus the rest of the bench contributing basically zero, I think we have plenty of room take a shot on a couple of draft picks and see if they can come in and contribute. Can't be worse than gary Harris scoring zero points and just doing cardio every game.

[MasterGMer]

Does ORL really want 2 more young guys?

nope

[mattdelray1220]

Does ORL really want 2 more young guys?

nope

Trade both picks. Time to consolidate the picks and a few players. I expect a 3-4 players + 2 picks traded for 2 players this offseason. My guess...

AB
JI
KCP
Gary
2 firsts

for Trae
filler

To me this trade is a win/win - although I hate to give up on AB. He is prob the reason the Magic do not do this trade even if ATL agreed to it. They think hes special. I am on the fence.

Hawks get a serious defensive identity with this trade + Dyson Daniels.
They get to clear some cap and tank? maybe?

AB Dyson Zacc Jalen JI
KCP Mann Okongwu + a ton of firsts to start building a well rounded team.

Magic
Trae Suggs Franz Paolo WCJ
Cole Jett Tristan Moe Goga

They would be forced to get rid of WCJ before his next contract kicked in and have to sign a few veteran minimum guys to fill out this roster.

[MasterGMer]

Does ORL really want 2 more young guys?

nope

Trade both picks. Time to consolidate the picks and a few players. I expect a 3-4 players + 2 picks traded for 2 players this offseason. My guess...

AB
JI
KCP
Gary
2 firsts

for Trae
filler

To me this trade is a win/win - although I hate to give up on AB. He is prob the reason the Magic do not do this trade even if ATL agreed to it. They think hes special. I am on the fence.

Hawks get a serious defensive identity with this trade + Dyson Daniels.
They get to clear some cap and tank? maybe?

AB Dyson Zacc Jalen JI
KCP Mann Okongwu + a ton of firsts to start building a well rounded team.

Magic
Trae Suggs Franz Paolo WCJ
Cole Jett Tristan Moe Goga

They would be forced to get rid of WCJ before his next contract kicked in and have to sign a few veteran minimum guys to fill out this roster.

I like Trae too. He has changed his narrative this season on the Hawks from being an older veteran to someone who can command the offense plus lead the league in assists. Everyone knows Hawks are rebuilding. And everyone knows Trae is on the way out.

But he didn't let that get in the way. He continues to grow and becomes a leader. That is character.

I like him. If the asking price is right, I was actually the one who wanted him before trade deadline along Coby White. lol. Just being a fan

[mattdelray1220]

nope

Trade both picks. Time to consolidate the picks and a few players. I expect a 3-4 players + 2 picks traded for 2 players this offseason. My guess...

AB
JI
KCP
Gary
2 firsts

for Trae
filler

To me this trade is a win/win - although I hate to give up on AB. He is prob the reason the Magic do not do this trade even if ATL agreed to it. They think hes special. I am on the fence.

Hawks get a serious defensive identity with this trade + Dyson Daniels.
They get to clear some cap and tank? maybe?

AB Dyson Zacc Jalen JI
KCP Mann Okongwu + a ton of firsts to start building a well rounded team.

Magic
Trae Suggs Franz Paolo WCJ
Cole Jett Tristan Moe Goga

They would be forced to get rid of WCJ before his next contract kicked in and have to sign a few veteran minimum guys to fill out this roster.

I like Trae too. He has changed his narrative this season on the Hawks from being an older veteran to someone who can command the offense plus lead the league in assists. Everyone knows Hawks are rebuilding. And everyone knows Trae is on the way out.

But he didn't let that get in the way. He continues to grow and becomes a leader. That is character.

I like him. If the asking price is right, I was actually the one who wanted him before trade deadline along Coby White. lol. Just being a fan

Agree with this too. The above trade is the only combination that i think is possible to make it work and realistic. It hurts the magic defensively in theory but when JI plays 10 mpg and AB 18-20mpg I think Suggs Franz WCJ can make the defensive end. Goga in spurts. I really like this team but it forces this team to be THE team for awhile and eventually shed guys to keep the big 4 together.

[MasterGMer]

Trade both picks. Time to consolidate the picks and a few players. I expect a 3-4 players + 2 picks traded for 2 players this offseason. My guess...

AB
JI
KCP
Gary
2 firsts

for Trae
filler

To me this trade is a win/win - although I hate to give up on AB. He is prob the reason the Magic do not do this trade even if ATL agreed to it. They think hes special. I am on the fence.

Hawks get a serious defensive identity with this trade + Dyson Daniels.
They get to clear some cap and tank? maybe?

AB Dyson Zacc Jalen JI
KCP Mann Okongwu + a ton of firsts to start building a well rounded team.

Magic
Trae Suggs Franz Paolo WCJ
Cole Jett Tristan Moe Goga

They would be forced to get rid of WCJ before his next contract kicked in and have to sign a few veteran minimum guys to fill out this roster.

I like Trae too. He has changed his narrative this season on the Hawks from being an older veteran to someone who can command the offense plus lead the league in assists. Everyone knows Hawks are rebuilding. And everyone knows Trae is on the way out.

But he didn't let that get in the way. He continues to grow and becomes a leader. That is character.

I like him. If the asking price is right, I was actually the one who wanted him before trade deadline along Coby White. lol. Just being a fan

Agree with this too. The above trade is the only combination that i think is possible to make it work and realistic. It hurts the magic defensively in theory but when JI plays 10 mpg and AB 18-20mpg I think Suggs Franz WCJ can make the defensive end. Goga in spurts. I really like this team but it forces this team to be THE team for awhile and eventually shed guys to keep the big 4 together.

I do think this is still an overpay for Trae. I think we can get him with a lot less.

Also, this is not my primary target in the draft or the trade market. But bringing in Trae can help this team a lot, I think. He could be a perfect fit handling the ball and make rainbow jumpers alongside Franz, Paolo and Suggs. Great fit also

[OrlandoDream]

Trae Young without giving up Suggs is just not financially possible. Even if we somehow avoid second apron with those 4 contracts we would gut our roster to make it happen. It would be PHX 2.0. 90% of your cap on 3-4 guys and no room to fill out the rest of the team. This front office is VERY financially savvy. Look at the way Weltman structured the contracts. ITs done essentially to avoid being over the cap as much as possible.

I think we go for a less financially burden move where we improve the backcourt with cheaper contract guy like Coby White, Monk, Sexton maybe? Then that would leave some room to still add 1 bench player on slightly above mid level. Ty Jerome? NAW?

Whatever move Weltman make this offseason you know he will approach it knowing Suggs/Franz ext hits next season and Paolos the one after. The 26-27 season our big 3 gonna take about what? 75% of our cap? That doesn't leave us with a lot of flexibility to spend on much else. I expect us to go OKC route and try to find a big in the draft that can be productive on rookie scale for a couple years and trade some of the spare pieces here for a good guard.

Weltman isn't known to be a guy to shake things up and make big splash moves that rattle the fanbase. No reason to expect that now.