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Re: NBA General Discussion: 24-25 

Post#441 » by ProcessDoctor » Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:04 am

Arsenal wrote:I seriously hope we're not making our plans around Embiid or PG. They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt anymore. Any decisions should be based around Maxey and McCain.


Not to be a downer, but are we jumping the gun on McCain?

He shot great for us in 23 games, but never really showed flashes of playmaking, defending, rebounding, creating turnovers, or getting to the line. He screams "sell high" to me.
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Re: NBA General Discussion: 24-25 

Post#442 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:14 am

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Arsenal wrote:I seriously hope we're not making our plans around Embiid or PG. They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt anymore. Any decisions should be based around Maxey and McCain.


Not to be a downer, but are we jumping the gun on McCain?

He shot great for us in 23 games, but never really showed flashes of playmaking, defending, rebounding, creating turnovers, or getting to the line. He screams "sell high" to me.


I keep an open mind...Buy he's a bad fit with Maxey first and foremost. Aside from that I like MCcain, but I don't see a star player. Dalton Knecht was the pick we should have made. Either way, I'd be fine selling high on McCain in the right situation.
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Re: NBA General Discussion: 24-25 

Post#443 » by Iverson Armband » Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:06 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
Arsenal wrote:I seriously hope we're not making our plans around Embiid or PG. They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt anymore. Any decisions should be based around Maxey and McCain.


Not to be a downer, but are we jumping the gun on McCain?

He shot great for us in 23 games, but never really showed flashes of playmaking, defending, rebounding, creating turnovers, or getting to the line. He screams "sell high" to me.

He definitely showed playmaking. He’s shown more playmaking than Maxey in only 23 games.
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Post#444 » by Negrodamus » Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:34 pm

I don't know if selling now after a season ending injury is necessarily "selling high", but I do think they'll try one full season of Maxey and McCain to see how they coexist, or if one completely outplays the other. If McCain can be a 40% 3FG player and get his apg to 5+, then Maxey might be the real sell high option.
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Re: NBA General Discussion: 24-25 

Post#445 » by stormi » Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:40 am

Negrodamus wrote:I don't know if selling now after a season ending injury is necessarily "selling high", but I do think they'll try one full season of Maxey and McCain to see how they coexist, or if one completely outplays the other. If McCain can be a 40% 3FG player and get his apg to 5+, then Maxey might be the real sell high option.


Especially if Grimes shows he can be a 'guy' and/or gets a long term extension this off-season.

The thought experiment is who to trade Maxey for. Volume scoring in little guards is the most diluted skill in the league, and although Maxey is very good at it this could be a chance to find a better fitting core piece.

Maxey is a borderline top 20 guy on a massive contract so he's not easy to flip.

Looking for an equally valued U25 F making ~40 million per season, Franz Wagner and Scottie Barnes are there.
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Post#446 » by 76ciology » Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:54 am



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Post#447 » by phillynative » Tue Mar 18, 2025 9:59 am

stormi wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:I don't know if selling now after a season ending injury is necessarily "selling high", but I do think they'll try one full season of Maxey and McCain to see how they coexist, or if one completely outplays the other. If McCain can be a 40% 3FG player and get his apg to 5+, then Maxey might be the real sell high option.


Especially if Grimes shows he can be a 'guy' and/or gets a long term extension this off-season.

The thought experiment is who to trade Maxey for. Volume scoring in little guards is the most diluted skill in the league, and although Maxey is very good at it this could be a chance to find a better fitting core piece.

Maxey is a borderline top 20 guy on a massive contract so he's not easy to flip.

Looking for an equally valued U25 F making ~40 million per season, Franz Wagner and Scottie Barnes are there.


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Post#448 » by phillynative » Tue Mar 18, 2025 11:09 am

Iverson Armband wrote:
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Arsenal wrote:I seriously hope we're not making our plans around Embiid or PG. They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt anymore. Any decisions should be based around Maxey and McCain.


Not to be a downer, but are we jumping the gun on McCain?

He shot great for us in 23 games, but never really showed flashes of playmaking, defending, rebounding, creating turnovers, or getting to the line. He screams "sell high" to me.

He definitely showed playmaking. He’s shown more playmaking than Maxey in only 23 games.


And some semblance of court vision which is not one of Maxeys attributes. He also showed willingness to fight for rebounds, Underrated for his size. Similar to Grimes but I think McCain is a better on the ball potential player. I think the sixers should develop him as a main ballhandler.

To compare all 3 for fun

Maxey:Elite speed, finishing ability, C&S 3
Mccain: Crafty, Ball handler, Quick trigger
Grimes: All-around ability, 3level scoring, Defensive integrity

Maxey still has an elite skillset which is what makes him hard to defend 1on1. Still not sure if the other two guards have an elite skill yet.
But I also have always seen Maxey closer to a small 2 guard rather than a combo
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Re: NBA General Discussion: 24-25 

Post#449 » by 76ciology » Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:29 am

Garbage basketball for like the past 1-2 weeks
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Post#450 » by 76ciology » Wed Mar 19, 2025 4:48 am

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Post#451 » by 76ciology » Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:25 am

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ProcessDoctor wrote:
Not to be a downer, but are we jumping the gun on McCain?

He shot great for us in 23 games, but never really showed flashes of playmaking, defending, rebounding, creating turnovers, or getting to the line. He screams "sell high" to me.

He definitely showed playmaking. He’s shown more playmaking than Maxey in only 23 games.


And some semblance of court vision which is not one of Maxeys attributes. He also showed willingness to fight for rebounds, Underrated for his size. Similar to Grimes but I think McCain is a better on the ball potential player. I think the sixers should develop him as a main ballhandler.

To compare all 3 for fun

Maxey:Elite speed, finishing ability, C&S 3
Mccain: Crafty, Ball handler, Quick trigger
Grimes: All-around ability, 3level scoring, Defensive integrity

Maxey still has an elite skillset which is what makes him hard to defend 1on1. Still not sure if the other two guards have an elite skill yet.
But I also have always seen Maxey closer to a small 2 guard rather than a combo


On a related note, the league has basically turned into a three-point contest—about volume and shot quality which affects how much you can make.

Maxey, Grimes, and McCain are the kind of players you’d trust to take 10 threes each and knock down 4 to 5 of them.

Then in the postgame, they can just say, “We took higher-quality threes, we just didn’t make them.” Reminds me of Game 6 against the Celtics—the difference comes down to the quality of shooters.
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Post#452 » by 76ciology » Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:31 am

Thinking about the Celtics’ current style, what’s often overlooked is how long they’ve wanted to play this way. It goes back to the Jim O’Brien era when Antoine Walker was chucking threes because there were no four-point shots. And who could forget Walter McCarty? They even had Raef LaFrentz that year—way ahead of his time
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Post#453 » by phillynative » Wed Mar 19, 2025 11:11 am

76ciology wrote:
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phillynative wrote:
Iverson Armband wrote:He definitely showed playmaking. He’s shown more playmaking than Maxey in only 23 games.


And some semblance of court vision which is not one of Maxeys attributes. He also showed willingness to fight for rebounds, Underrated for his size. Similar to Grimes but I think McCain is a better on the ball potential player. I think the sixers should develop him as a main ballhandler.

To compare all 3 for fun

Maxey:Elite speed, finishing ability, C&S 3
Mccain: Crafty, Ball handler, Quick trigger
Grimes: All-around ability, 3level scoring, Defensive integrity

Maxey still has an elite skillset which is what makes him hard to defend 1on1. Still not sure if the other two guards have an elite skill yet.
But I also have always seen Maxey closer to a small 2 guard rather than a combo


On a related note, the league has basically turned into a three-point contest—about volume and shot quality which affects how much you can make.

Maxey, Grimes, and McCain are the kind of players you’d trust to take 10 threes each and knock down 4 to 5 of them.

Then in the postgame, they can just say, “We took higher-quality threes, we just didn’t make them.” Reminds me of Game 6 against the Celtics—the difference comes down to the quality of shooters.


This is where I think a point forward(Tatum, Draymond/Iggy , Lebron, Jokic)is crucial. When you have a big playmaker it gives shooter/scorers the luxury to play without the ball when defenses stick to them and put them in better spots to score. Big playmakers can see over the defense better and help out defensively.

Need better size and rim deterants as well
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Post#454 » by mjkvol » Wed Mar 19, 2025 12:52 pm

76ciology wrote:Garbage basketball for like the past 1-2 weeks


It has kind of become more the rule than exception in the NBA until the playoffs.
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Post#455 » by Mik317 » Wed Mar 19, 2025 1:33 pm

This is probably me talking out of my ass but if i was an NBA coach (may god have mercy on the dumb ass FO that hires me) but against Bostons SHOOT ALL THE THREES offense in a playoff series, I'd just stay home and force the Jays into taking and making tough shots. Too often teams scramble to send doubles at them and it leaves their shooters wide open. Or atleast attempt to hide the double...I watch the games and its just the most sluggish double and then a lazy close out. Also force Jrue and White to attack on said close outs
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Post#456 » by mjkvol » Wed Mar 19, 2025 5:27 pm

Mik317 wrote:This is probably me talking out of my ass but if i was an NBA coach (may god have mercy on the dumb ass FO that hires me) but against Bostons SHOOT ALL THE THREES offense in a playoff series, I'd just stay home and force the Jays into taking and making tough shots. Too often teams scramble to send doubles at them and it leaves their shooters wide open. Or atleast attempt to hide the double...I watch the games and its just the most sluggish double and then a lazy close out. Also force Jrue and White to attack on said close outs


100% true, I've thought the same thing every time I see them. Tough 2's in a half court offense don't create those killer runs the Celtics live off of. Single up Brown and Tatum and let them have their 30+, but shut off the kick passes for easy 3's. Seems like a complete no-brainer, but coaches are known to try to reinvent the wheel and be the smartest guy in the room.
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Post#457 » by Negrodamus » Wed Mar 19, 2025 7:59 pm

Introduce relegation options. Have implications for the following season. If you're a team like the Sixers, if they are a bottom 6 team, then they are automatically forced to be in the play in game the following season. There are ways to make it so good teams don't tank as soon as there are injuries.
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Post#458 » by 76ciology » Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:07 am

Mik317 wrote:This is probably me talking out of my ass but if i was an NBA coach (may god have mercy on the dumb ass FO that hires me) but against Bostons SHOOT ALL THE THREES offense in a playoff series, I'd just stay home and force the Jays into taking and making tough shots. Too often teams scramble to send doubles at them and it leaves their shooters wide open. Or atleast attempt to hide the double...I watch the games and its just the most sluggish double and then a lazy close out. Also force Jrue and White to attack on said close outs


It’s not just Tatum and Brown going iso—they leverage their personnel really well. The 1-5 PnR with Porzingis is a nightmare because he can punish switches in the post, pop for threes, or attack off the dribble if the matchup is right. And if you don’t switch, the ball handler gets a clean look from deep or collapses the defense.

Their screen actions, Spain PnRs, and 3 man games create constant confusion, especially against teams that aren’t disciplined in communication. They pick apart coverages—if a big is in drop, they spam pick-and-pop or take pull-up 3s. If the big steps up, they blow by him, and with their five-out spacing, there’s no weak-side rim protection to help.

And defensively, they can switch everything. Even Jrue can take on opposing bigs for short stretches, making it hard to generate good offense against them. At the end of the day, you’re likely settling for worse shots while they keep getting high-quality looks.

But make no mistake, they’re not unbeatable—especially with how much they rely on threes. The key is having the right personnel. A team with too many weaknesses, like our undersized backcourt and a lead guy they can neutralize in multiple ways, is at a major disadvantage. Teams like OKC or Denver, with fewer liabilities and more defensive versatility, have a much better shot at taking them down in a 7 game series.
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