2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition

life_saver · Post #221 » by **life_saver** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:33 pm

On the other hand, the Jazz SRP is also looking good. With Jazz having the worst record in the league now, its now projected as 31st pick which is best case scenario

TimberKat · Post #222 » by **TimberKat** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:58 pm

Can't believe we are actually saying this: Since the DET pick is top 10 protected, I wish DET play worse at this point. It is #17 at the moment.

life_saver · Post #223 » by **life_saver** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:07 pm

TimberKat wrote:Can't believe we are actually saying this: Since the DET pick is top 10 protected, I wish DET play worse at this point. It is #17 at the moment.

It is Top 13 protected...not top 10.

TimberKat · Post #224 » by **TimberKat** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:09 pm

life_saver wrote:
TimberKat wrote:Can't believe we are actually saying this: Since the DET pick is top 10 protected, I wish DET play worse at this point. It is #17 at the moment.

It is Top 13 protected...not top 10.

Now I feel better. Still like to see DEN closer to #14

Post #225 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:46 pm

TimberKat wrote:
life_saver wrote:
TimberKat wrote:Can't believe we are actually saying this: Since the DET pick is top 10 protected, I wish DET play worse at this point. It is #17 at the moment.

It is Top 13 protected...not top 10.

Now I feel better. Still like to see DEN closer to #14

Would you like to see them in the play-in game so they can get as close 14 as possible or would you rather have them stay at 6 so you don’t have to stress about it?

BlacJacMac · Post #226 » by **BlacJacMac** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:54 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
TimberKat wrote:
life_saver wrote:It is Top 13 protected...not top 10.

Now I feel better. Still like to see DEN closer to #14

Would you like to see them in the play-in game so they can get as close 14 as possible or would you rather have them stay at 6 so you don’t have to stress about it?

Stay at 6.

100%

minimus · Post #227 » by **minimus** » Tue Mar 18, 2025 9:37 am

Worm Guts wrote:
TimberKat wrote:
life_saver wrote:It is Top 13 protected...not top 10.

Now I feel better. Still like to see DEN closer to #14

Would you like to see them in the play-in game so they can get as close 14 as possible or would you rather have them stay at 6 so you don’t have to stress about it?

4th and 5th in East are MIL and IND with 38-29 record. DET have currently 38 wins 31 losses. 7th and 8th are ATL 32-36 and ORL 32-37. It helps that ATL and ORL play two games against each other.

Post #228 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Mar 18, 2025 10:59 am

minimus wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:
TimberKat wrote:Now I feel better. Still like to see DEN closer to #14

Would you like to see them in the play-in game so they can get as close 14 as possible or would you rather have them stay at 6 so you don’t have to stress about it?

4th and 5th in East are MIL and IND with 38-29 record. DET have currently 38 wins 31 losses. 7th and 8th are ATL 32-36 and ORL 32-37. It helps that ATL and ORL play two games against each other.

I’m aware that it’s pretty unlikely for Detroit to fall to 7 at this point, but I was just curious as to whether people would rather see them in the play-in game for the opportunity at a higher pick.

minimus · Post #229 » by **minimus** » Thu Mar 20, 2025 12:52 pm

minimus wrote:

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Can Carter Bryant or Adou Thiero be developed into such type of defender?

Should I add Micah Peavy to this list?

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minimus · Post #230 » by **minimus** » Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:06 pm

Watching the game against NOP, I was thinking that if Danny Wolf can learn all these little things that Kelly Olynyk does, he will be a starting bigman in NBA. This might not be the sexiest comparison, but Olynyk despite being very limited athletically (short wingspan, 29.5 vertical) is a smart, high IQ, player with toughness. Excellent 3pt shooter and passer (by bigman standards)

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Post #231 » by **Klomp** » Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:24 pm

minimus wrote:Watching the game against NOP, I was thinking that if Danny Wolf can learn all these little things that Kelly Olynyk does, he will be a starting bigman in NBA. This might not be the sexiest comparison, but Olynyk despite being very limited athletically (short wingspan, 29.5 vertical) is a smart, high IQ, player with toughness. Excellent 3pt shooter and passer (by bigman standards)

Olynyk has been a comp I've been using for Wolf, for sure.

Neeva · Post #232 » by **Neeva** » Fri Mar 21, 2025 4:03 am

Wolf is extremely underwhelming, lumbering and soft not dominant against an undersized and unathletic team. Missing free throws. I don’t see what some of you see..

minimus · Post #233 » by **minimus** » Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:50 am

So the list of bigs that I would strongly consider with DET pick:
Thomas Sorber
Danny Wolf
Rasheer Fleming

I expect Khaman Maluach and Derik Queen to be drafted in top-10. But if they fall to us, I would consider any of them a steal

Wings who might be fit for MIN (if no bigman left within a reach around DET pick. And I would consider any of them a steal with UTA pick):
Carter Bryant
Nique Clifford

I expect Egor Demin to be drafted in top-15. But if he falls to us, I would consider it a steal

Bigs who make sense to me as candidate for UTA pick:
Yaxel Lendeborg
Johni Broome
Joan Beringer

Wings who make sense to me as candidate for UTA pick:
Alex Karaban
Adou Thiero

I am torn on:
Collin Murray-Boyles
Noa Essence
Asa Newell

PG / draft and stash candidate with UTA pick
Sergio de Larrea

Post #234 » by **Klomp** » Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:17 pm

Longterm, is Nique Clifford someone who could be a Josh Hart-type of rebounder in the league? At Colorado State this year, he averaged 9.7 rebounds per game at just 6-foot-6. Could he and Jaden McDaniels play together as the forwards in a lineup?

Post #235 » by **Klomp** » Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:24 pm

The DET 1st is currently slotted for 17. I just noticed that Brooklyn has 19 (MIL), 24 (NYK) and 27 (HOU). Would you consider a trade down on draft night?

Post #236 » by **Klomp** » Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:48 pm

I think this is the kind of player who would work his way into a rotation for Chris Finch.

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minimus · Post #237 » by **minimus** » Fri Mar 21, 2025 4:54 pm

Klomp wrote:The DET 1st is currently slotted for 17. I just noticed that Brooklyn has 19 (MIL), 24 (NYK) and 27 (HOU). Would you consider a trade down on draft night?

I think TC won't be afraid to either trade down or trade up, if he has a reason. I know that Minott and Miller have no value, so maybe use UTA SRP, not sure if trading NAW or Randle in sign and trade during draft is possible.

BlacJacMac · Post #238 » by **BlacJacMac** » Fri Mar 21, 2025 4:59 pm

Klomp wrote:The DET 1st is currently slotted for 17. I just noticed that Brooklyn has 19 (MIL), 24 (NYK) and 27 (HOU). Would you consider a trade down on draft night?

No. Finch is already "struggling" to play rookies that absolutely deserve minutes.

cmoss84 · Post #239 » by **cmoss84** » Fri Mar 21, 2025 5:34 pm

minimus wrote:So the list of bigs that I would strongly consider with DET pick:
Thomas Sorber
Danny Wolf
Rasheer Fleming

I expect Khaman Maluach and Derik Queen to be drafted in top-10. But if they fall to us, I would consider any of them a steal

Wings who might be fit for MIN (if no bigman left within a reach around DET pick. And I would consider any of them a steal with UTA pick):
Carter Bryant
Nique Clifford

I expect Egor Demin to be drafted in top-15. But if he falls to us, I would consider it a steal

Bigs who make sense to me as candidate for UTA pick:
Yaxel Lendeborg
Johni Broome
Joan Beringer

Wings who make sense to me as candidate for UTA pick:
Alex Karaban
Adou Thiero

I am torn on:
Collin Murray-Boyles
Noa Essence
Asa Newell

PG / draft and stash candidate with UTA pick
Sergio de Larrea

A reach around Det pick

Sorry, couldn't resist...

But seriously, package 17 + 31 and go get your guy.

Post #240 » by **Klomp** » Fri Mar 21, 2025 5:35 pm

I've been trying to find a way to best describe what Tim Connelly looks for in a draft prospect, as a way to inform my personal draft scouting experience and help narrow down a list of prospects who I think the team would reasonably consider.

The number one thing Connelly looks at is character. However, since we really don't have the resources for the behind-the-scenes access to know this about prospects, I'm not going to factor it in this discussion.

I think the best way to narrow it down is that he largely looks for an area where a prospect has the potential to be very good to elite. It might not be a skill that everyone necessarily values equally, but it's a skill that can set that player apart. It's not a perfect system where every player hits the mark, but generally has led to a pretty good draft record where generally most of the selections can fall into this category whether or not they pan out.

Everyone will point to Jokic and Murray, but even guys like Beasley (shooting), Vanderbilt (rebounding), Porter (shooting), Morris (playmaking), Hyland (shooting range), Bol (length), Kessler (shotblocking), Minott (athleticism), Miller (on-ball big), Clark (defense), Dillingham (ballhandling), and Shannon (athleticism) all offered a skill where they could be potentially elite at their position group. If a prospect didn't have an elite skill, he looked more for well-rounded versatile skillsets (Mudiay, Hernangomez, Lauvergne, Lyles, Cancar, Moore). Interestingly, his success rate is far lower there.....

His draft history points to is a willingness to gamble on upside. He is not afraid to take someone who has injury concerns (Beasley, Porter, Vanderbilt, Bol, Clark) or frame concerns (Hyland, Bol, Miller, Dillingham) either. Heck, you could include Shannon's "concerns" from last season too in that category. He definitely does his due diligence on players even if it doesn't work out.

Knowing all of this, here are a few guys who I think become more intriguing to the front office from this draft class:
Egor Demin (elite passer potential)
Derik Queen (elite offensive skillset potential)
Thomas Sorber (elite defensive skillset potential / injury concerns)
Danny Wolf (elite offensive tools potential)
Nique Clifford (elite rebounding potential)