R.Gobert

[jayjaysee]

Just a random one that isn’t realistic?

What else goes into Lively+Klay for Rudy?

Assuming Dallas can dump Gafford else where to make the salaries work for Dallas/Minn. Minn gets to save a fortune while Dallas gets to keep PJ

Dallas wants defense, so go get the best at it? He’s about a year older than Kyrie and AD, compared to the KD ideas.. So they can all decline together? Rudy and Kyrie (hopefully) will both he on below max deals, making it easy to keep PJ and try to build some depth?

Maybe shouldn’t have Klay end up in Minnesota, but didn’t want to write out a 4-5 team trade really. You can send him and Gafford to LAL and dump salary on a fourth-fifth team if you want.

Minn’s money problems are gone for another 2 years and they have a young talented player at all five positions?

Rudy/AD/Naji/Chrstie/Kyrie
PJ/Martin/11th pick and some really good cheap PG hopefully? Still keep any of the current bench players that want to stick around..

That would be a really interesting team, certainly the best defensive unit in the NBA? I'd love to find a way to upgrade Naji or Christie for a wing that can score more - but I'm not sure there is a meaningful upgrade for that package? I think a useful point guard can be found affordable in free agency, especially with how tight money will be this offseason.

I would be looking for a bandaid type. Ideally Chris Paul. Don’t see a cheap wing available that’s clearly better than Naji? Wouldve loved to get Kuminga’s RFA rights but team didn’t go that route.. Hard to look around for a sub 20 million dollar wing that plays defense and helps on offense.

So think you just look at the guard play and stick with cheap “try hard” guys on the wing.

I think I try for Coby White.. Martin, Prosper, Hardy, 2029 LAL pick? Some combination? Probably need to use the 2025 Dallas first though and not sure Dallas should do that with Kyrie out and Coby expiring.. He’s more of a two than a PG..

Or you go Martin+Hardy+Powell+29 LAL for Sexton? Let Dallas top 6 protection on it, have it turn into the 2030 Dallas first (top 4 protected?)

Some third team that values Martin a bit?

Don’t hate that really.

[Astaluego]

Pacers on a sign and trade with Turner and filler for Gobert.

Pacers maintain a big defensive presence while allowing the ball to still flow through Siakam and Haliburton.
Wolves get a stretch 5 opening the lane more for Edwards.
Sell off Randle for fair market in picks/expirings.

Wow, I really like that for both teams... Rudy would fit well with Hali, and Siakam's improvement as a shooter would make the adjustment easier and elevate Indiana's defense...

[babyjax13]

Just a random one that isn’t realistic?

What else goes into Lively+Klay for Rudy?

Assuming Dallas can dump Gafford else where to make the salaries work for Dallas/Minn. Minn gets to save a fortune while Dallas gets to keep PJ

Dallas wants defense, so go get the best at it? He’s about a year older than Kyrie and AD, compared to the KD ideas.. So they can all decline together? Rudy and Kyrie (hopefully) will both he on below max deals, making it easy to keep PJ and try to build some depth?

Maybe shouldn’t have Klay end up in Minnesota, but didn’t want to write out a 4-5 team trade really. You can send him and Gafford to LAL and dump salary on a fourth-fifth team if you want.

Minn’s money problems are gone for another 2 years and they have a young talented player at all five positions?

Rudy/AD/Naji/Chrstie/Kyrie
PJ/Martin/11th pick and some really good cheap PG hopefully? Still keep any of the current bench players that want to stick around..

That would be a really interesting team, certainly the best defensive unit in the NBA? I'd love to find a way to upgrade Naji or Christie for a wing that can score more - but I'm not sure there is a meaningful upgrade for that package? I think a useful point guard can be found affordable in free agency, especially with how tight money will be this offseason.

I would be looking for a bandaid type. Ideally Chris Paul. Don’t see a cheap wing available that’s clearly better than Naji? Wouldve loved to get Kuminga’s RFA rights but team didn’t go that route.. Hard to look around for a sub 20 million dollar wing that plays defense and helps on offense.

So think you just look at the guard play and stick with cheap “try hard” guys on the wing.

I think I try for Coby White.. Martin, Prosper, Hardy, 2029 LAL pick? Some combination? Probably need to use the 2025 Dallas first though and not sure Dallas should do that with Kyrie out and Coby expiring.. He’s more of a two than a PG..

Or you go Martin+Hardy+Powell+29 LAL for Sexton? Let Dallas top 6 protection on it, have it turn into the 2030 Dallas first (top 4 protected?)

Some third team that values Martin a bit?

Don’t hate that really.

Sexton should be pretty reasonable to acquire, that package seems fine to me (re: protections, etc.). I think he is better than White, too, and "cheaper."

But yah, that squeeze of the NBA "middle class" makes it hard to find meaningful upgrades in some cases, IMO. I'd be tempted to roll the dice on Jerami Grant so a pick doesn't need to be included, but not sure that is financially feasible.

[jayjaysee]

Sexton should be pretty reasonable to acquire, that package seems fine to me (re: protections, etc.). I think he is better than White, too, and "cheaper."

But yah, that squeeze of the NBA "middle class" makes it hard to find meaningful upgrades in some cases, IMO. I'd be tempted to roll the dice on Jerami Grant so a pick doesn't need to be included, but not sure that is financially feasible.

Yeah. I’m not sure I’d go for Grant. Maybe if AD had decided he was a center, but he still wants minutes at the four. And PJ feels like a better player than Grant at this point..

Think before you’re at Grant, you call Sac about Demar? Or even Phoenix about Beal honestly.. Maybe even RJB..

Rudy only making 35 (and Kyrie being injured and probably a bit cheaper due to it..) would give some wiggle room I think? Didn’t play with it, just finger math.

[babyjax13]

Sexton should be pretty reasonable to acquire, that package seems fine to me (re: protections, etc.). I think he is better than White, too, and "cheaper."

But yah, that squeeze of the NBA "middle class" makes it hard to find meaningful upgrades in some cases, IMO. I'd be tempted to roll the dice on Jerami Grant so a pick doesn't need to be included, but not sure that is financially feasible.

Yeah. I’m not sure I’d go for Grant. Maybe if AD had decided he was a center, but he still wants minutes at the four. And PJ feels like a better player than Grant at this point..

Think before you’re at Grant, you call Sac about Demar? Or even Phoenix about Beal honestly.. Maybe even RJB..

Rudy only making 35 (and Kyrie being injured and probably a bit cheaper due to it..) would give some wiggle room I think? Didn’t play with it, just finger math.

PJ is def. better than Grant. Getting him might not actually be feasible if trading for Gobert because the kind of deal that makes sense is like ... Thompson, Martin, and filler for Grant and some 2nds.

[Domejandro]

Gobert before declining was a problematic contract, brcause of how terrible he is on offense, he absolutely puts a high floor, but non-championship ceiling also, as he declines this problem persists even with his declining contract.

Seems like the evidence doesn’t support this, since he was +138 in last year’s playoffs in 11 games.

This isn't evidence for high cieling, but high floor, when MIN ran into elite defense, his floor wan't enough and team struggled to close game on offense.

Ignoring that this isn't true, I think the reason that Minnesota lost a collection of close games against Dallas is more-so contributable to Karl-Anthony Towns starting off the series going 2/9, 1/5 (4/16 overall), 0/8, 4/5 (they won this one), and 1/6 from behind-the-arc. He wasn't fully recovered from his injury, was burnt out from the Denver series, and put up disastrous shooting numbers which cratered Minnesota's offense. Pinning Minnesota's offensive woes on Rudy Gobert when they were KAT shooting mediocre (not even well!) away from possibly winning the Western Conference Finals feels like a bizarre take.

[Mavrelous]

Seems like the evidence doesn’t support this, since he was +138 in last year’s playoffs in 11 games.

This isn't evidence for high cieling, but high floor, when MIN ran into elite defense, his floor wan't enough and team struggled to close game on offense.

Ignoring that this isn't true, I think the reason that Minnesota lost a collection of close games against Dallas is more-so contributable to Karl-Anthony Towns starting off the series going 2/9, 1/5 (4/16 overall), 0/8, 4/5 (they won this one), and 1/6 from behind-the-arc. He wasn't fully recovered from his injury, was burnt out from the Denver series, and put up disastrous shooting numbers which cratered Minnesota's offense. Pinning Minnesota's offensive woes on Rudy Gobert when they were KAT shooting mediocre (not even well!) away from possibly winning the Western Conference Finals feels like a bizarre take.

It's very true, it just doesn't fit your biases.
Blaming having a non-spacing center who os very limited in the high post against team who masters overload defense isn't a bizarre take, but a rational conclusion.

[Mamba4Goat]

Is there a…
Rudy to ____
______ sends youth/assets/filler to BK
Claxton and ? to Minnesota trade that’d work?

[LarsV8]

Is there a…
Rudy to ____
______ sends youth/assets/filler to BK
Claxton and ? to Minnesota trade that’d work?

Don't know if our front office agrees, but I am Gobert-curious.

We have the BK's 27 swap as well.

[NYG]

Rudy Gobert to the Hawks
Onyeka Okongwu, Coby White, Jevon Carter and some Hawks picks to the T'Wolves
Terance Mann, Kobe Bufkin and some Hawks picks to the Bulls

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