OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd

[Deeeez Knicks]

Yeah I mean can you blame them though? There careers as a GM/HC are now tied to wins. From Stafford to now Rodgers Mara has clearly forced wins on them.

Now this may be one case where losing out on a player like the Giants did with Stafford helps because he wasn't making the Giants better than the Eagles or Commanders next year (along with trading picks and that contract Stafford would have required). Rodgers wont either but the FO sees this as just buying them time. If they can win enough games and show Mara that with decent QB play Daboll's offense will look better and Schoen's roster will look better. Then they can be patient and let the young QB whoever they go with develop.

As for Giants fan most have come the assumption next year probably wont be good anyway and the GM/HC will eventually be fired and then we just need to make next season interesting and entertaining and buy time. And Winston as a bridge guy certainly would do that.

I understand that owners suck, but every GM in the league should be at least as smart as the average fan, and know that rebuilding takes a few years, and a bad season, maybe even two, should be acceptable on the road to getting better.

This isn't rocket science. It's barely more complicated than 2+2. I have no idea what's said inside private rooms when the GM meets the owner, but I would hope that conversations like "don't expect many wins" and "This guy is good for team chemistry" and "bridge QB while we draft hopefully a long-term QB" are at least part of the conversation.

Like . . . for example. Daniel Jones isn't much of a QB, but he is a two-way QB who should fit the Colt's system. He might not even start for them but if he ends up starting a bunch of games, he's a reasonable pickup for a coach who likes a 2-way QB.

Fields isn't much, but at least the Jets don't expect to win a lot of games and his ability to run should open things up a little and make the games more fun. The Jets are really badly run, but at least their new GM seems to have a strategy and know what he's doing.

A team expecting to be bad but wanting Aaron Rodgers just doesn't make sense to me. Rodgers is a HOF QB, but I don't think he makes sense for the Giants overall, or as a bridge QB, and I'm guessing most people agree, except the Giant's GM and Owner, which . . . I don't get.

Rodgers (reportedly) wants to join the Vikings, which, I think, would be a good place for him. A well set up team with a QB on the roster who hasn't thrown a single pass in a game yet. Rodgers for 1 year and JJ McCarthy maybe getting some snaps makes sense to me, if the Vikings can afford Rodgers' salary, and I'm not sure they can, but that's a pairing that makes sense at least, to my little brain.

The Giants don't make sense for either Rodgers or them.

The Steelers . . . I have no idea. I don't follow them close enough.

I would agree with your statement but this regime is going into year 4....they don't have time to rebuild anymore.

That is where Mara made the mistake. The team need a longer term vision and but he brought them back on the pretenses that they would win games next year.

So its pretty simple. We have an owner problem. Schoen could think a move is better for the longer term of the Giants but if its not going to help this this year and save his job why would he do it? For the next GM to take over next year after the giants go 5-12 next year?

Thats why they are waiting on Rodgers dime right now...he (even though flawed and old) is by far the best QB for next year out there right now. So they have no choice but to wait on him. Even if they go the rookie route with there 1st round pick. That rookie probably wont start for them right off the bat because they need wins.

Too late to rebuild because it’s year 4, but not in a position to win now. They have already failed.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Don’t want this bum. He is so desperate for attention

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[MrDollarBills]

Sign Winston already.

[FrozenEnvelope]

If Rodgers signs with the Giants over the Steelers, it just means he has CTE.

[mpharris36]

It would be so Giants for the Titans to now not want to trade and select Cam Ward at #1 (they have made no movement on finding a QB) and Browns just sit there at #2 for Sanders.

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Throughout this process, though, there are traits of a quarterback Executive Vice President of Football Operations and General Manager Andrew Berry, offensive coordinator Tommy Rees and Stefanski have identified as important. Rees has highlighted the importance of decision making.

While both Berry and Stefanski agreed with the significance of decision making, Stefanski added the value of accuracy. He also explained decision making on a deeper level, in terms of the ability to process.

"I think every single play as a quarterback you're doing something – whether it's a run check, or it's a motion, a decision that you're making based on a safety's depth – all those types of things factor into decision making," Stefanski said. "I think accuracy, obviously, innate ability to put the ball where it needs to be is important. […] . So, I think all these players are different. All their traits are different. So that's where it's so important for us right now, down here, on the 30 visits, on the pro days, just to get to know the person, get to know the player."

For what Stefanski likes for his WC system, accuracy and decision making. And doesn't seem to value elite mobility or a huge arm more than accuracy and processing. That seems to describe Sanders to a tee.

So what do the Giants do at #3? We all say just BPA so that would be Carter or Hunter...which I'm ok with but now put yourselves into the shoes of Schoen and Daboll who have to start selling the owner that they can win games and its tough to do that without a QB. It could also explain all the interest in Stafford before he re-up'd and now just waiting on Rodgers/lesser backup options like Winston/Flacco or Wilson who I want nothing to do with then maybe they try to do something with the 2nd round pick or move back into the 1st if they like another QB to develop....wild times.

[MrDollarBills]

It would be so Giants for the Titans to now not want to trade and select Cam Ward at #1 (they have made no movement on finding a QB) and Browns just sit there at #2 for Sanders.

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Throughout this process, though, there are traits of a quarterback Executive Vice President of Football Operations and General Manager Andrew Berry, offensive coordinator Tommy Rees and Stefanski have identified as important. Rees has highlighted the importance of decision making.

While both Berry and Stefanski agreed with the significance of decision making, Stefanski added the value of accuracy. He also explained decision making on a deeper level, in terms of the ability to process.

"I think every single play as a quarterback you're doing something – whether it's a run check, or it's a motion, a decision that you're making based on a safety's depth – all those types of things factor into decision making," Stefanski said. "I think accuracy, obviously, innate ability to put the ball where it needs to be is important. […] . So, I think all these players are different. All their traits are different. So that's where it's so important for us right now, down here, on the 30 visits, on the pro days, just to get to know the person, get to know the player."

For what Stefanski likes for his WC system, accuracy and decision making. And doesn't seem to value elite mobility or a huge arm more than accuracy and processing. That seems to describe Sanders to a tee.

So what do the Giants do at #3? We all say just BPA so that would be Carter or Hunter...which I'm ok with but now put yourselves into the shoes of Schoen and Daboll who have to start selling the owner that they can win games and its tough to do that without a QB. It could also explain all the interest in Stafford before he re-up'd and now just waiting on Rodgers/lesser backup options like Winston/Flacco or Wilson who I want nothing to do with then maybe they try to do something with the 2nd round pick or move back into the 1st if they like another QB to develop....wild times.

If Ward/Sanders go #1 and 2 and Schoen doesn't take Hunter or Carter i might crash out

[Polk377]

Giants need to stop waiting for Rodgers and sign Wilson already. He is the better option at this point in their careers and won't be a diva.

[mpharris36]

Giants need to stop waiting for Rodgers and sign Wilson already. He is the better option at this point in their careers and won't be a diva.

Wilson....not a diva?

Most of his teammates can't stand the dude.

[Deeeez Knicks]

It would be so Giants for the Titans to now not want to trade and select Cam Ward at #1 (they have made no movement on finding a QB) and Browns just sit there at #2 for Sanders.

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Throughout this process, though, there are traits of a quarterback Executive Vice President of Football Operations and General Manager Andrew Berry, offensive coordinator Tommy Rees and Stefanski have identified as important. Rees has highlighted the importance of decision making.

While both Berry and Stefanski agreed with the significance of decision making, Stefanski added the value of accuracy. He also explained decision making on a deeper level, in terms of the ability to process.

"I think every single play as a quarterback you're doing something – whether it's a run check, or it's a motion, a decision that you're making based on a safety's depth – all those types of things factor into decision making," Stefanski said. "I think accuracy, obviously, innate ability to put the ball where it needs to be is important. […] . So, I think all these players are different. All their traits are different. So that's where it's so important for us right now, down here, on the 30 visits, on the pro days, just to get to know the person, get to know the player."

For what Stefanski likes for his WC system, accuracy and decision making. And doesn't seem to value elite mobility or a huge arm more than accuracy and processing. That seems to describe Sanders to a tee.

So what do the Giants do at #3? We all say just BPA so that would be Carter or Hunter...which I'm ok with but now put yourselves into the shoes of Schoen and Daboll who have to start selling the owner that they can win games and its tough to do that without a QB. It could also explain all the interest in Stafford before he re-up'd and now just waiting on Rodgers/lesser backup options like Winston/Flacco or Wilson who I want nothing to do with then maybe they try to do something with the 2nd round pick or move back into the 1st if they like another QB to develop....wild times.

Pretty much the same plan. Carter or Hunter, and look at Dart, Milroe, etc later in the draft.

2 QB needy teams in front of us, it was always a long shot one will slip.

[MrDollarBills]

It would be so Giants for the Titans to now not want to trade and select Cam Ward at #1 (they have made no movement on finding a QB) and Browns just sit there at #2 for Sanders.

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Throughout this process, though, there are traits of a quarterback Executive Vice President of Football Operations and General Manager Andrew Berry, offensive coordinator Tommy Rees and Stefanski have identified as important. Rees has highlighted the importance of decision making.

While both Berry and Stefanski agreed with the significance of decision making, Stefanski added the value of accuracy. He also explained decision making on a deeper level, in terms of the ability to process.

"I think every single play as a quarterback you're doing something – whether it's a run check, or it's a motion, a decision that you're making based on a safety's depth – all those types of things factor into decision making," Stefanski said. "I think accuracy, obviously, innate ability to put the ball where it needs to be is important. […] . So, I think all these players are different. All their traits are different. So that's where it's so important for us right now, down here, on the 30 visits, on the pro days, just to get to know the person, get to know the player."

For what Stefanski likes for his WC system, accuracy and decision making. And doesn't seem to value elite mobility or a huge arm more than accuracy and processing. That seems to describe Sanders to a tee.

So what do the Giants do at #3? We all say just BPA so that would be Carter or Hunter...which I'm ok with but now put yourselves into the shoes of Schoen and Daboll who have to start selling the owner that they can win games and its tough to do that without a QB. It could also explain all the interest in Stafford before he re-up'd and now just waiting on Rodgers/lesser backup options like Winston/Flacco or Wilson who I want nothing to do with then maybe they try to do something with the 2nd round pick or move back into the 1st if they like another QB to develop....wild times.

Pretty much the same plan. Carter or Hunter, and look at Dart, Milroe, etc later in the draft.

2 QB needy teams in front of us, it was always a long shot one will slip.

Being forced to take BPA is fine with me. Daboll and Schoen don't get a bailout here.

Plus, next years class will have multiple QBs with first round grades.

[Deeeez Knicks]

It would be so Giants for the Titans to now not want to trade and select Cam Ward at #1 (they have made no movement on finding a QB) and Browns just sit there at #2 for Sanders.

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For what Stefanski likes for his WC system, accuracy and decision making. And doesn't seem to value elite mobility or a huge arm more than accuracy and processing. That seems to describe Sanders to a tee.

So what do the Giants do at #3? We all say just BPA so that would be Carter or Hunter...which I'm ok with but now put yourselves into the shoes of Schoen and Daboll who have to start selling the owner that they can win games and its tough to do that without a QB. It could also explain all the interest in Stafford before he re-up'd and now just waiting on Rodgers/lesser backup options like Winston/Flacco or Wilson who I want nothing to do with then maybe they try to do something with the 2nd round pick or move back into the 1st if they like another QB to develop....wild times.

Pretty much the same plan. Carter or Hunter, and look at Dart, Milroe, etc later in the draft.

2 QB needy teams in front of us, it was always a long shot one will slip.

Being forced to take BPA is fine with me. Daboll and Schoen don't get a bailout here.

Plus, next years class will have multiple QBs with first round grades.

Yea, just don't reach for a QB at #3 of none are worth taking. Another Daniel Jones is the worst case.

They are going to have to knock this draft out of the ball park to save there jobs imo. But you just never know.

[MrDollarBills]

Pretty much the same plan. Carter or Hunter, and look at Dart, Milroe, etc later in the draft.

2 QB needy teams in front of us, it was always a long shot one will slip.

Being forced to take BPA is fine with me. Daboll and Schoen don't get a bailout here.

Plus, next years class will have multiple QBs with first round grades.

Yea, just don't reach for a QB at #3 of none are worth taking. Another Daniel Jones is the worst case.

They are going to have to knock this draft out of the ball park to save there jobs imo. But you just never know.

I'll be honest, if Schoen drafts well for a 2nd straight year and Daboll can coach these kids up to at least where we show improvement, then I'm not against them remaining on. But that's a massive if and I don't really like how the first two draft classes have developed under Daboll.

But yeah, if we can just grab talent in the draft and sign Wilson, Winston, or Cousins on a stop gap deal until we draft our franchise QB next spring, I think that's not a bad thing.


Arch might declare too.

[MrDollarBills]

ESPN buying NFL Network and Redzone is really bad. They are gonna ruin it and Stephen A/McAfee both channels to hell.

[TerrenceClarke]

This is why I don’t get caught up in the day to day Draft Banter.

Just a few days Mcshay said they like Sanders in Cleveland.

Today the more plugged in Schefter says the Browns want Ward is the talk around the league.

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[3toheadmelo]

This is why I don’t get caught up in the day to day Draft Banter.

Just a few days Mcshay said they like Sanders in Cleveland.

Today the more plugged in Schefter says the Browns want Ward is the talk around the league.

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“Shedeur will be there for the giants at #3”

[Ghetto Gospel]

it's draft season and every team is out here throwing out smoke screens either by themselves or through the media and agents.

we really can't trust what anyone says for the next few weeks

[Synciere]

It’s Mel Kiper but still.

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A QB like Shedeur with elite processing, elite timing, good feel, great ruggedness, good arm, good athleticism can EASILY overcome not being an elite rummer or having an elite arm. I would be happy if the Giants draft him. If not I would try to move up for Dart (and we do have an extra 3rd this year.j

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I think we need to start thinking about Jalen Milroe at 3.

[Fat Kat]

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[JXL]

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This is a bridge QB, but they better draft a QB or this is a waste of time and a franchise disaster.

[bishnykfan]

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Perfect vet QB. Good signing, he’ll be entertaining and will sit when it’s time to play the QB they draft this year.

Better option then Wilson, Rodgers or Flacco.