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Re: The official fire Chris Finch thread 

Post#141 » by frankenwolf » Mon Mar 17, 2025 4:38 pm

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shrink wrote:First, why are you trying to isolate “specific key flaws?” For instance, Naz is clearly better than he was three years ago when Finch arrived - does Finch get no credit when you for list your criteria as “Part of the job is player development?” In his case specifically, Naz has become a better defender when paired with Gobert. How is none of that synergy not Finch-based?

I could go through each one of these, but it takes a lot of intentional blindness to not see any player development in Clark, NAW, Naz, Jaden and Ant. Even if you specifically select Randle’s problem as “lack of defensive engagement,” his improvement there came when Finch started using him as more of a point forward. But not Finch? Edwards has literally become a top 10 player in the league, improvements everywhere, but since he still has some flaws, then your conclusion is that Finch hasn’t done his job?!?

I think you have decided Finch is bad, so you force yourself to ignore the progress the team and individual players have made. To do so, you need to isolate only on specific areas (“key flaws”) to be your criteria, to force the facts to fit your opinion. You are an exceptional poster here, but regardless of whether someone likes or dislikes Finch, I think they need to look at the whole picture for a fair picture.

I know I'm inserting myself into the this discussion, but I wouldn't say he's bad. Rather, IMO, he's taken the team as far as he can (playoffs), which for most fans of this franchise would be enough considering how poorly run its been. Yet, you don't play the game just to reach the postseason. The goal is a championship.

But again, even the casual fan can see how talented this squad is, outside of maybe Garnett's run to the WCF. Should we accept being a 5-7 seed, especially when you can clearly see solvable issues which would have guaranteed home-court advantage in the first round?


OK, I'll jump in here also. My question to you and W4L is: How would you address such a drastic change as Finch had just before training camp started? He had all summer and the previous year to get the best going out of KAT/Gobert and gang. He had the day before preseason started to integrate JR & DDV. W4L, I know you have not been happy with the amount of time the rookies played at the beginning of the year, but don't you have to figure out what you have in your veterans before you start integrating the rookies? I know most of us had high hopes going into this season, based on last season. When you change the chemistry on the team, it's going to take a while for everyone to get comfortable again. I don't blame Finch for the current position in the standings because he's done a lot on the fly again this year. He has my vote to continue coaching until he proves that he can't. That is definitely not this year.
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Re: The official fire Chris Finch thread 

Post#142 » by shrink » Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:50 pm

I wonder where the idea comes that Finch can only get them so far, and we need a new coach to win a championship?

After all, we just saw Finch last season crush the Suns as underdogs, and as bigger underdogs, beat the defending Champion Nuggets. In fact, we only stopped winning when player injuries and exhaustion left Finchy without capable players to coach.
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Re: The official fire Chris Finch thread 

Post#143 » by shrink » Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:55 pm

The other point I wanted to make was that whether each of us has different ideas about whether to keep Finch, all it really amounts to is internet debate. In real life, owners usually only choose to fire winning coaches when the coach loses the locker room. That even got beloved Flip Saunders fired.

Finch remains beloved by the players. Insiders say that the team right now has tremendous chemistry - better than they have ever seen. Despite Finch having to change players roles, lose players to injury then reinsert them to cost other players PT, they say that this team is bonded together. They cheer for each other and happy to see their teammates succeed.

We can debate it, but there’s no way ARod and Lore kill that vibe, and fire Finch.
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Re: The official fire Chris Finch thread 

Post#144 » by Baseline81 » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:40 pm

shrink wrote:I wonder where the idea comes that Finch can only get them so far, and we need a new coach to win a championship?

After all, we just saw Finch last season crush the Suns as underdogs, and as bigger underdogs, beat the defending Champion Nuggets. In fact, we only stopped winning when player injuries and exhaustion left Finchy without capable players to coach.

Is this a serious question? Have you not watched the Wolves during his tenure? Did you read this thread?
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Re: The official fire Chris Finch thread 

Post#145 » by TimberKat » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:49 pm

shrink wrote:I wonder where the idea comes that Finch can only get them so far, and we need a new coach to win a championship?

After all, we just saw Finch last season crush the Suns as underdogs, and as bigger underdogs, beat the defending Champion Nuggets. In fact, we only stopped winning when player injuries and exhaustion left Finchy without capable players to coach.

The idea comes from 1st round exits vs MEM which a lot of people feel we should had won. We weren't underdog vs Suns as we had better record. You can blame Finch for his lack of success in regular season vs Suns that we end up as underdog. You can even blame Finch for not end up in #1 seed last year. You can also blame him that we drop the play-in game to Lakers in 23. Just by the laws of probability, we won't reach the finals this year. So is 4 trips to play-off without a chip appearance get you the label of can't win the big one and we need Phil Jackson?
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Re: The official fire Chris Finch thread 

Post#146 » by TimberKat » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:53 pm

shrink wrote:The other point I wanted to make was that whether each of us has different ideas about whether to keep Finch, all it really amounts to is internet debate. In real life, owners usually only choose to fire winning coaches when the coach loses the locker room. That even got beloved Flip Saunders fired.

Finch remains beloved by the players. Insiders say that the team right now has tremendous chemistry - better than they have ever seen. Despite Finch having to change players roles, lose players to injury then reinsert them to cost other players PT, they say that this team is bonded together. They cheer for each other and happy to see their teammates succeed.

We can debate it, but there’s no way ARod and Lore kill that vibe, and fire Finch.

I would say the team is peaking at the right time and I am seeing much better chemistry than being of the season. It is especially true after watching a Suns game. :D Although one loss tonight could change all that.
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Re: The official fire Chris Finch thread 

Post#147 » by shrink » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:08 pm

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shrink wrote:I wonder where the idea comes that Finch can only get them so far, and we need a new coach to win a championship?

After all, we just saw Finch last season crush the Suns as underdogs, and as bigger underdogs, beat the defending Champion Nuggets. In fact, we only stopped winning when player injuries and exhaustion left Finchy without capable players to coach.

The idea comes from 1st round exits vs MEM which a lot of people feel we should had won. We weren't underdog vs Suns as we had better record. You can blame Finch for his lack of success in regular season vs Suns that we end up as underdog. You can even blame Finch for not end up in #1 seed last year. You can also blame him that we drop the play-in game to Lakers in 23. Just by the laws of probability, we won't reach the finals this year. So is 4 trips to play-off without a chip appearance get you the label of can't win the big one and we need Phil Jackson?

MEM in 2022? Young teams need to get playoff experience. We were a 7 seed that lost to a 2 seed, 4-2, as Vegas underdogs. If people think we “could” have won .. maybe. People that think we “should” have won are ridiculous homers, trying their hardest to find a scapegoat.

In 2023 we lost to DEN, the ultimate NBA Champ, and the consensus was that we surprisingly gave them their toughest battle.

In 2024, Vegas again had us as the underdog vs PHX, because of the match up problem. Which Finch solved spectacularly. We then went on to beat The defending champ Nuggets, when we were an even bigger underdog.
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Re: The official fire Chris Finch thread 

Post#148 » by TimberKat » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:15 pm

shrink wrote:
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shrink wrote:I wonder where the idea comes that Finch can only get them so far, and we need a new coach to win a championship?

After all, we just saw Finch last season crush the Suns as underdogs, and as bigger underdogs, beat the defending Champion Nuggets. In fact, we only stopped winning when player injuries and exhaustion left Finchy without capable players to coach.

The idea comes from 1st round exits vs MEM which a lot of people feel we should had won. We weren't underdog vs Suns as we had better record. You can blame Finch for his lack of success in regular season vs Suns that we end up as underdog. You can even blame Finch for not end up in #1 seed last year. You can also blame him that we drop the play-in game to Lakers in 23. Just by the laws of probability, we won't reach the finals this year. So is 4 trips to play-off without a chip appearance get you the label of can't win the big one and we need Phil Jackson?

Vegas had us as the underdog vs PHX, because of the match up problem. Which Finch solved spectacularly.

If we beat PHX a game or two, don't you think 'people/Vegas' would made us the favorite? After all, we are the home team. Actually the also put us as the #1 seed

The MEM series would be blowing the 20+ points lead twice in one game. I think we blow two games too (can't remember).
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Re: The official fire Chris Finch thread 

Post#149 » by shrink » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:18 pm

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shrink wrote:
TimberKat wrote:The idea comes from 1st round exits vs MEM which a lot of people feel we should had won. We weren't underdog vs Suns as we had better record. You can blame Finch for his lack of success in regular season vs Suns that we end up as underdog. You can even blame Finch for not end up in #1 seed last year. You can also blame him that we drop the play-in game to Lakers in 23. Just by the laws of probability, we won't reach the finals this year. So is 4 trips to play-off without a chip appearance get you the label of can't win the big one and we need Phil Jackson?

Vegas had us as the underdog vs PHX, because of the match up problem. Which Finch solved spectacularly.

If we beat PHX a game or two, don't you think 'people/Vegas' would made us the favorite? After all, we are the home team. Actually the also put us as the #1 seed

This is a silly argument.

What’s the important thing here? Beating them in the playoffs right?
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Re: The official fire Chris Finch thread 

Post#150 » by TimberKat » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:19 pm

shrink wrote:
TimberKat wrote:
shrink wrote:Vegas had us as the underdog vs PHX, because of the match up problem. Which Finch solved spectacularly.

If we beat PHX a game or two, don't you think 'people/Vegas' would made us the favorite? After all, we are the home team. Actually the also put us as the #1 seed

This is a silly argument.

What’s the important thing here? Beating them in the playoffs right?

Yes, I am just saying we supposed beat Suns. We aren't the underdog. So Finch can't take credit for being an underdog.
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Re: The official fire Chris Finch thread 

Post#151 » by shrink » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:33 pm

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shrink wrote:
TimberKat wrote:If we beat PHX a game or two, don't you think 'people/Vegas' would made us the favorite? After all, we are the home team. Actually the also put us as the #1 seed

This is a silly argument.

What’s the important thing here? Beating them in the playoffs right?

Yes, I am just saying we supposed beat Suns. We aren't the underdog. So Finch can't take credit for being an underdog.

First, we are talking about whether Finch is a good enough coach in the playoffs, or whether we need a new coach to take us a step farther. We aren’t talking about regular season record.

Second, if you ignore Vegas and go by season record to determine who’s an underdog, that’s just foolish. Teams have injuries. Teams may play well in November through January, and be struggling by April. Vegas and most analysts predicted the Suns would win that series.

Last year’s team had a great defense, but a defense can’t take away everything. Finch’s defense took away the analytically best shots, with Gobert protecting the paint, and our wings running opponents off the three point line. This is why the experts all said that the Suns were a bad match up for us, because they have 2-3 great jump shooters, and predicted the Suns to win that series. In reality, Finch had the team motivated, and the defense flustered those jump shooters in this series and poor Jamal Murray in the next :lol: , to win a decisive 4-0 sweep.

And regardless of underdogs, did you or anyone really expect a 4-0 domination, or is that something Finch gets no credit for because we were “supposed to beat them?”
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Re: The official fire Chris Finch thread 

Post#152 » by TimberKat » Mon Mar 17, 2025 10:09 pm

shrink wrote:
TimberKat wrote:
shrink wrote:This is a silly argument.

What’s the important thing here? Beating them in the playoffs right?

Yes, I am just saying we supposed beat Suns. We aren't the underdog. So Finch can't take credit for being an underdog.

First, we are talking about whether Finch is a good enough coach in the playoffs, or whether we need a new coach to take us a step farther. We aren’t talking about regular season record.

Second, if you ignore Vegas and go by season record to determine who’s an underdog, that’s just foolish. Teams have injuries. Teams may play well in November through January, and be struggling by April. Vegas and most analysts predicted the Suns would win that series.

Last year’s team had a great defense, but a defense can’t take away everything. Finch’s defense took away the analytically best shots, with Gobert protecting the paint, and our wings running opponents off the three point line. This is why the experts all said that the Suns were a bad match up for us, because they have 2-3 great jump shooters, and predicted the Suns to win that series. In reality, Finch had the team motivated, and the defense flustered those jump shooters in this series and poor Jamal Murray in the next :lol: , to win a decisive 4-0 sweep.

And regardless of underdogs, did you or anyone really expect a 4-0 domination, or is that something Finch gets no credit for because we were “supposed to beat them?”

Yes, let's move the goal post a little here. The question is still is that enough success vs all the other stuff? To many, that was not enough. To me, let's wait until the end of the season, see who we draft and who we trade.
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Re: The official fire Chris Finch thread 

Post#153 » by Loaf_of_bread » Tue Mar 18, 2025 4:27 am

Not a fan of finch stating: "we need to stack wins"

Our whole premise is based on hope. Yet, we have proven time after time that we are underachieving.

A narrative that underachieving is on the players is not going to work in my eyes.
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Re: The official fire Chris Finch thread 

Post#154 » by Loaf_of_bread » Thu Mar 20, 2025 2:35 am

Any former Finch defenders want to change their tune?

This team is toast. Ant is a lost cause under Finch.

Imo, why not just fire him tomorrow.. there needs to be some sort of infusion of change. No reason to wait any longer.
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Post#155 » by life_saver » Thu Mar 20, 2025 2:57 am

Maybe this time needs its own version of Kenny Atkinson to reach next level..
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Re: The official fire Chris Finch thread 

Post#156 » by TimberKat » Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:07 am

life_saver wrote:Maybe this time needs its own version of Kenny Atkinson to reach next level..

Erik Spoelstra maybe available. Heat needs a new voice too.
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Re: The official fire Chris Finch thread 

Post#157 » by Neeva » Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:18 am

TimberKat wrote:
life_saver wrote:Maybe this time needs its own version of Kenny Atkinson to reach next level..

Erik Spoelstra maybe available. Heat needs a new voice too.


Oh man wolves need to jump on that asap.
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Re: The official fire Chris Finch thread 

Post#158 » by Klomp » Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:34 am

Loaf_of_bread wrote:Any former Finch defenders want to change their tune?

This team is toast. Ant is a lost cause under Finch.

Imo, why not just fire him tomorrow.. there needs to be some sort of infusion of change. No reason to wait any longer.

These are definitely games that make you wonder....

However, I think Anthony Edwards is the most important individual in the franchise right now. Any and all decisions need to be put through that lens. And honestly, this includes a potential Kevin Durant decision, which on the court I believe would be a boon for the team's late-game offensive production in part because Ant will be willing to defer to him.

I think a coaching change is a precarious position, and is no guarantee. Finch could potentially be our version of Monty Williams in Phoenix.
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Re: The official fire Chris Finch thread 

Post#159 » by TimberKat » Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:49 am

Klomp wrote:
Loaf_of_bread wrote:Any former Finch defenders want to change their tune?

This team is toast. Ant is a lost cause under Finch.

Imo, why not just fire him tomorrow.. there needs to be some sort of infusion of change. No reason to wait any longer.

These are definitely games that make you wonder....

However, I think Anthony Edwards is the most important individual in the franchise right now. Any and all decisions need to be put through that lens. And honestly, this includes a potential Kevin Durant decision, which on the court I believe would be a boon for the team's late-game offensive production in part because Ant will be willing to defer to him.

I think a coaching change is a precarious position, and is no guarantee. Finch could potentially be our version of Monty Williams in Phoenix.

Monty got to the finals with Phoenix so Finch isn't there yet. Given he just signed an extension this year, maybe the Detroit version of Monty Williams?
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Re: The official fire Chris Finch thread 

Post#160 » by Loaf_of_bread » Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:49 am

Klomp wrote:
Loaf_of_bread wrote:Any former Finch defenders want to change their tune?

This team is toast. Ant is a lost cause under Finch.

Imo, why not just fire him tomorrow.. there needs to be some sort of infusion of change. No reason to wait any longer.

These are definitely games that make you wonder....

However, I think Anthony Edwards is the most important individual in the franchise right now. Any and all decisions need to be put through that lens. And honestly, this includes a potential Kevin Durant decision, which on the court I believe would be a boon for the team's late-game offensive production in part because Ant will be willing to defer to him.

I think a coaching change is a precarious position, and is no guarantee. Finch could potentially be our version of Monty Williams in Phoenix.


I am 100% against Durant. My only comment is that I noticed a bit of indecisiveness from ant in the 4th quarter tonight. While he missed a bunch, there were times where he kind of pulled in the "reigns" where he would have just went for it before..

Not sure if this is good or bad..?? He seems to know though, or of course probably been told, that his decision making at the end of the games has been poor.

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