Fake Trade Thread #6

[KembaWalker]

You are right, most people who believe in a 2nd year player averaging 21 ppg are idiots. Much better to tell everyone how much they suck and continuously say it over and over to make sure to hammer your point home to prove how much smarter you are.

Devin Booker in year 2 - 22 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 3.4 apg, 47.5% efg.

Man hope Brandon Miller doesn't turn out like Booker longterm- he was such a bad player early in his career too apparently lol

Besides again Booker being 20 in his second season versus a 22 year old Miller which is a HUGE difference, still irrelevant to what I even said.
I never said Miller was a dud prospect going forward, just said he had a poor season that when combined with his major injury has done a significant amount of damage to his trade value. When the question is "would you trade 6 and Miller for 1" I'm saying the obvious answer is, it doesnt matter because nobody would accept 6 and Miller for 1. Someone might have considered it if he had a stellar healthy 2nd season and showed superstar trajectory, but that is very far from what happened.

He can still bounce back and become a great player, step back from the ledge my dude. He just needs to not suck again next year, which is possible

You have consistently been down on Miller in multiple threads over multiple months, so this is more than just the 6+ Miller take. I think your expectations for what a guy should do this early in his career is just unrealistic lol. He played 1 year of college, unless your Luka Doncic, LeBron James, Anthony Davis etc you aren't going to be an All-NBA player in year 2 in the NBA.

The majority of top 50 players in the league right now probably had worse or similar seasons to Brandon Miller did in year 2. It is not going to be some huge outlier if Miller ends up very very good. Idk where you get the idea that most 2nd year players are certified superstars or have superstar trajectory at that point- just pointing out I think your logic or expectations are very weird.

Again, look at the 2nd seasons of Cade, Franz, Paolo, Curry, Tatum, Jimmy Butler, Shai, Morant.... hard to say anyone of these guys was massively more impressive than what Brandon Miller did in year 2, but you are entitled to your lofty expectations for Hornets players.

I've been down on Miller because he played poorly this year and topped it off with a very serious injury with a long recovery timetable. Neither of those things are good. Even you predicted 23 ppg for Miller this season, and I would assume that wasn't going to be on garbage efficiency given you also predicted us with a top 10 offense and 46 wins lol so don't even try to call ME out for having some ridiculous expectations. I'm disappointed with Miller (and almost all aspects of this team this season) and I think you are too whether you want to admit it or not

[JMAC3]

Besides again Booker being 20 in his second season versus a 22 year old Miller which is a HUGE difference, still irrelevant to what I even said.
I never said Miller was a dud prospect going forward, just said he had a poor season that when combined with his major injury has done a significant amount of damage to his trade value. When the question is "would you trade 6 and Miller for 1" I'm saying the obvious answer is, it doesnt matter because nobody would accept 6 and Miller for 1. Someone might have considered it if he had a stellar healthy 2nd season and showed superstar trajectory, but that is very far from what happened.

He can still bounce back and become a great player, step back from the ledge my dude. He just needs to not suck again next year, which is possible

You have consistently been down on Miller in multiple threads over multiple months, so this is more than just the 6+ Miller take. I think your expectations for what a guy should do this early in his career is just unrealistic lol. He played 1 year of college, unless your Luka Doncic, LeBron James, Anthony Davis etc you aren't going to be an All-NBA player in year 2 in the NBA.

The majority of top 50 players in the league right now probably had worse or similar seasons to Brandon Miller did in year 2. It is not going to be some huge outlier if Miller ends up very very good. Idk where you get the idea that most 2nd year players are certified superstars or have superstar trajectory at that point- just pointing out I think your logic or expectations are very weird.

Again, look at the 2nd seasons of Cade, Franz, Paolo, Curry, Tatum, Jimmy Butler, Shai, Morant.... hard to say anyone of these guys was massively more impressive than what Brandon Miller did in year 2, but you are entitled to your lofty expectations for Hornets players.

I've been down on Miller because he played poorly this year and topped it off with a very serious injury with a long recovery timetable. Neither of those things are good. Even you predicted 23 ppg for Miller this season, and I would assume that wasn't going to be on garbage efficiency given you also predicted us with a top 10 offense and 46 wins lol so don't even try to call ME out for having some ridiculous expectations.

You said a few weeks ago Miller could become an average starter and a good role player eventually. LOL

[KembaWalker]

You have consistently been down on Miller in multiple threads over multiple months, so this is more than just the 6+ Miller take. I think your expectations for what a guy should do this early in his career is just unrealistic lol. He played 1 year of college, unless your Luka Doncic, LeBron James, Anthony Davis etc you aren't going to be an All-NBA player in year 2 in the NBA.

The majority of top 50 players in the league right now probably had worse or similar seasons to Brandon Miller did in year 2. It is not going to be some huge outlier if Miller ends up very very good. Idk where you get the idea that most 2nd year players are certified superstars or have superstar trajectory at that point- just pointing out I think your logic or expectations are very weird.

Again, look at the 2nd seasons of Cade, Franz, Paolo, Curry, Tatum, Jimmy Butler, Shai, Morant.... hard to say anyone of these guys was massively more impressive than what Brandon Miller did in year 2, but you are entitled to your lofty expectations for Hornets players.

I've been down on Miller because he played poorly this year and topped it off with a very serious injury with a long recovery timetable. Neither of those things are good. Even you predicted 23 ppg for Miller this season, and I would assume that wasn't going to be on garbage efficiency given you also predicted us with a top 10 offense and 46 wins lol so don't even try to call ME out for having some ridiculous expectations.

You said a few weeks ago Miller could become an average starter and a good role player eventually. LOL

I said Brandon Miller and Mark Williams could develop into average starters of contending quality teams like championship Denver/Boston etc. IE not superstars but very good players. I don't think thats too crazy. Those are the guys that come to teams like us and have 20ppg seasons on garbage efficiency and win 17 games. now you're just completely embarrassing yourself

[JMAC3]

I've been down on Miller because he played poorly this year and topped it off with a very serious injury with a long recovery timetable. Neither of those things are good. Even you predicted 23 ppg for Miller this season, and I would assume that wasn't going to be on garbage efficiency given you also predicted us with a top 10 offense and 46 wins lol so don't even try to call ME out for having some ridiculous expectations.

You said a few weeks ago Miller could become an average starter and a good role player eventually. LOL

I said Brandon Miller and Mark Williams could develop into average starters of contending quality teams like championship Denver/Boston etc. IE not superstars but very good players. I don't think thats too crazy. Those are the guys that come to teams like us and have 20ppg seasons on garbage efficiency and win 17 games. now you're just completely embarrassing yourself

You are over here saying guys like LaMelo, Brandon, Mark have already capped out and at best are 3rd, 4th, 5th options lol. For guys that aren't even 24 yrs old yet but yes I am the one embarrasing myself. Do you know when NBA players hit their prime? I can tell you it is not 22 yrs old lol

This is such a dumb argument anyways.

If Tatum and Jaylen Brown were on the Lakers would Jaylen Brown be the 4th option on a contender?? OH wow great thought experiment lol. Imagine your selling point being well LaMelo would only be the 3rd option on the Celtics, Miller would be the 4th and Derrick White would be the 5th option- maybe Derrick White isn't very good lolol

[KembaWalker]

You said a few weeks ago Miller could become an average starter and a good role player eventually. LOL

I said Brandon Miller and Mark Williams could develop into average starters of contending quality teams like championship Denver/Boston etc. IE not superstars but very good players. I don't think thats too crazy. Those are the guys that come to teams like us and have 20ppg seasons on garbage efficiency and win 17 games. now you're just completely embarrassing yourself

You are over here saying guys like LaMelo, Brandon, Mark have already capped out and at best are 3rd, 4th, 5th options lol. For guys that aren't even 24 yrs old yet but yes I am the one embarrasing myself. Do you know when NBA players hit their prime? I can tell you it is not 22 yrs old lol

This is such a dumb argument anyways.

If Tatum and Jaylen Brown were on the Lakers would Jaylen Brown be the 4th option on a contender?? OH wow great thought experiment lol. Imagine your selling point being well LaMelo would only be the 3rd option on the Celtics, Miller would be the 4th and Derrick White would be the 5th option- maybe Derrick White isn't very good lolol

yeah i dunno man you've totally the plot. I'll leave you to it. feel free to bump and scoreboard and laugh at me when Mark Williams and Brandon Miller are championship contender star level players. or LaMelo

[JMAC3]

I said Brandon Miller and Mark Williams could develop into average starters of contending quality teams like championship Denver/Boston etc. IE not superstars but very good players. I don't think thats too crazy. Those are the guys that come to teams like us and have 20ppg seasons on garbage efficiency and win 17 games. now you're just completely embarrassing yourself

You are over here saying guys like LaMelo, Brandon, Mark have already capped out and at best are 3rd, 4th, 5th options lol. For guys that aren't even 24 yrs old yet but yes I am the one embarrasing myself. Do you know when NBA players hit their prime? I can tell you it is not 22 yrs old lol

This is such a dumb argument anyways.

If Tatum and Jaylen Brown were on the Lakers would Jaylen Brown be the 4th option on a contender?? OH wow great thought experiment lol. Imagine your selling point being well LaMelo would only be the 3rd option on the Celtics, Miller would be the 4th and Derrick White would be the 5th option- maybe Derrick White isn't very good lolol

yeah i dunno man you've totally the plot. I'll leave you to it. feel free to bump and scoreboard and laugh at me when Mark Williams and Brandon Miller are championship contender star level players. or LaMelo

I haven't though. The whole point is you want these players to be finished products at 22 years old and you be able to transplant them onto the best teams in the league and be star players in their current form. So yeah going back to the first point, Brandon Miller in year 2 was an inefficient scorer like 20 other NBA all-stars, but you are acting like it is out of the ordinary and he sucks and Houston should be offering us 5 draft picks so Miller can be their best player as a contender for a playoff run this year.

It just isn't how progression works in the NBA.

NBA players don't hit their prime until 27/28 years old, not 22 and 23 years old. Nobody builds their team assuming guys averaging 20+ ppg at those ages aren't going to improve. But that is how you are acting that Hornets are screwed unless we add 2 players who are bonified better than LaMelo Ball, because for some reason 26 yr and 28 yr old Miller and Ball won't be better than 23 yr old LaMelo right now.

If you don't see a flaw in your logic here then you don't pay attention to the way NBA players improve and players improve year over year.

[Rich4114]

Going to trade Mark Williams for a 2029 first round pick and win 19 games next year playing Nurkic and Diabate lol. I am telling you, we would be better off to hire Stephen A Smith as our GM, at least he would actually try to get players that can win games.

Don't forget spending a top 6 pick on Maluach because we didn't take Clingan last draft.

[Rich4114]

Just sucks knowing we're most likely picking 5th or 6th after a 3rd straight season and being one pick off Wemby. Maybe we can get Russia to meddle in the draft for us and get us Flagg.

As for trades, my plan still remains the same. If we do not land #1, then make a big offer for Zion. It becomes even more plausible if NOLA wins Flagg since he's going to mostly be a PF. I would include Mark in a deal for Zion if I had to as well.

We cannot sustain this constant bottom 5 status with guys like LaMelo and Miller on the roster. It doesn't work for them or the fans. If you aren't trying to win next season then just reset again and let Jeff fill up the roster with Salaun's and Josh Green's so we can get to our next GM faster.

If Zion plays himself out of trade talks (as he may have already) then the next target should be Sabonis since I can see him asking out soon and the Kings are on the verge of having to rebuild themselves.

[Chapelchilla]

You are over here saying guys like LaMelo, Brandon, Mark have already capped out and at best are 3rd, 4th, 5th options lol. For guys that aren't even 24 yrs old yet but yes I am the one embarrasing myself. Do you know when NBA players hit their prime? I can tell you it is not 22 yrs old lol

This is such a dumb argument anyways.

If Tatum and Jaylen Brown were on the Lakers would Jaylen Brown be the 4th option on a contender?? OH wow great thought experiment lol. Imagine your selling point being well LaMelo would only be the 3rd option on the Celtics, Miller would be the 4th and Derrick White would be the 5th option- maybe Derrick White isn't very good lolol

yeah i dunno man you've totally the plot. I'll leave you to it. feel free to bump and scoreboard and laugh at me when Mark Williams and Brandon Miller are championship contender star level players. or LaMelo

I haven't though. The whole point is you want these players to be finished products at 22 years old and you be able to transplant them onto the best teams in the league and be star players in their current form. So yeah going back to the first point, Brandon Miller in year 2 was an inefficient scorer like 20 other NBA all-stars, but you are acting like it is out of the ordinary and he sucks and Houston should be offering us 5 draft picks so Miller can be their best player as a contender for a playoff run this year.

It just isn't how progression works in the NBA.

NBA players don't hit their prime until 27/28 years old, not 22 and 23 years old. Nobody builds their team assuming guys averaging 20+ ppg at those ages aren't going to improve. But that is how you are acting that Hornets are screwed unless we add 2 players who are bonified better than LaMelo Ball, because for some reason 26 yr and 28 yr old Miller and Ball won't be better than 23 yr old LaMelo right now.

If you don't see a flaw in your logic here then you don't pay attention to the way NBA players improve and players improve year over year.

DD is just trolling as always, no need to take the bait.

[KembaWalker]

yeah i dunno man you've totally the plot. I'll leave you to it. feel free to bump and scoreboard and laugh at me when Mark Williams and Brandon Miller are championship contender star level players. or LaMelo

I haven't though. The whole point is you want these players to be finished products at 22 years old and you be able to transplant them onto the best teams in the league and be star players in their current form. So yeah going back to the first point, Brandon Miller in year 2 was an inefficient scorer like 20 other NBA all-stars, but you are acting like it is out of the ordinary and he sucks and Houston should be offering us 5 draft picks so Miller can be their best player as a contender for a playoff run this year.

It just isn't how progression works in the NBA.

NBA players don't hit their prime until 27/28 years old, not 22 and 23 years old. Nobody builds their team assuming guys averaging 20+ ppg at those ages aren't going to improve. But that is how you are acting that Hornets are screwed unless we add 2 players who are bonified better than LaMelo Ball, because for some reason 26 yr and 28 yr old Miller and Ball won't be better than 23 yr old LaMelo right now.

If you don't see a flaw in your logic here then you don't pay attention to the way NBA players improve and players improve year over year.

DD is just trolling as always, no need to take the bait.

i openly invite either of you to post Miller + 6 for Flagg anywhere but this thread and see how it goes for you. cmon fellas, use your heads

acting like thats even a real conversation is actual bait

[Chapelchilla]

First, I never saw that trade suggestion
Second, we don't have the 6th pick right now so the hypothetical offer seems like a dumb idea to take elsewhere just to stir the pot
Third, you clearly take every opportunity to woah is me post, always full gloom and doom hyperbole to troll the board. In this crazy world that seems like an unfulfilling and empty way to get one's jollies. It's kind of pathetic.

[KembaWalker]

First, I never saw that trade suggestion
Second, we don't have the 6th pick right now so the hypothetical offer seems like a dumb idea to take elsewhere just to stir the pot
Third, you clearly take every opportunity to woah is me post, always full gloom and doom hyperbole to troll the board. In this crazy world that seems like an unfulfilling and empty way to get one's jollies. It's kind of pathetic.

idk bro, you're welcome to argue the points about Brandon and his trade value on topic instead you choose to talk about me personally. if you cant handle that without havin a little mental breakdown and personally insulting me i think that says a lot more about you. i think a little self reflection might be a good thing for you. someone disagreeing about your **** basketball team shouldnt get you like this

[JustBuzzin]

As great as Zion has looked the Pelicans are still not winning many games. Not sure why they would stick with him given his injury history.

I think the goal for the Pelicans was to build up his trade value and trade him this off-season. They can't keep relying on Zion's health.

I think Zion is definitely on the table if we don't get a top 3 pick.

[fatlever]

it was me that brought up the hypothetical trade of Miller plus our pick if it fell outside of the top four. Not to stir the pot or to cause controversy. As an exercise to gauge what everyone considers the value of the number one pick. Yes it would be extremely unlikely that any team that lands at number one would entertain trading that pick. Just curious as how much people would be willing to give up to move up from say 5 or 6 up to number one if there was the tiny possibility. Let's say you're the wizards and you land at number one. Would you trade that pic to the Hornets for Miller and the 5th or 6th pick?

[JMAC3]

it was me that brought up the hypothetical trade of Miller plus our pick if it fell outside of the top four. Not to stir the pot or to cause controversy. As an exercise to gauge what everyone considers the value of the number one pick. Yes it would be extremely unlikely that any team that lands at number one would entertain trading that pick. Just curious as how much people would be willing to give up to move up from say 5 or 6 up to number one if there was the tiny possibility. Let's say you're the wizards and you land at number one. Would you trade that pic to the Hornets for Miller and the 5th or 6th pick?

I think trading two potential top 5 picks for any unproven player is bad business. If I were doing a package like that I would rather just trade for guy who is already proven to be a top 20 player.

I will go back to when many people on the board thought trading Miles Bridges + 3rd pick (LaMelo) was a good move to move up to #1 to select James Wiseman. That was before Miles was even good, Miller is a much heftier price to pay than this disaster would have been.

I am a believer in Cooper, no doubt. However, any prospect can be a failure no matter how good they look - Jabari Parker, Jabari Smith, Scoot Henderson, Derrick Williams- imagine moving up and giving Brandon Miller + a top 5 pick for any of these players. It just isn't worth the risk.

[fatlever]

risk vs reward
There's no right or wrong answer until you can look at it in hindsight. Everyone has a different appetite for risk. I'm not advocating for one versus the other but curious to see how everyone else feels.

[Chapelchilla]

First, I never saw that trade suggestion
Second, we don't have the 6th pick right now so the hypothetical offer seems like a dumb idea to take elsewhere just to stir the pot
Third, you clearly take every opportunity to woah is me post, always full gloom and doom hyperbole to troll the board. In this crazy world that seems like an unfulfilling and empty way to get one's jollies. It's kind of pathetic.

idk bro, you're welcome to argue the points about Brandon and his trade value on topic instead you choose to talk about me personally. if you cant handle that without havin a little mental breakdown and personally insulting me i think that says a lot more about you. i think a little self reflection might be a good thing for you. someone disagreeing about your **** basketball team shouldnt get you like this

lol, I am fine bro but thanks for looking out!
Interesting that you mention self reflection though, it could be good for you too.

On the Hornets topic, Mark has been pretty good post trade so he should have a decent trade value if we want to go in that direction. Miles too. He outplayed Bridges H to H again last night and Mikal makes a lot more $.

[Bassman]

risk vs reward
There's no right or wrong answer until you can look at it in hindsight. Everyone has a different appetite for risk. I'm not advocating for one versus the other but curious to see how everyone else feels.

I doubt any team picking #1 deals away Cooper Flagg for a #5 or #6 and a promising player, but it is an interesting concept to explore. It IS possible…just not likely. If that team already had their Flagg archetype in house, maybe they’d bite on a big haul offer like a Miller, pick 6 and future 1st, but that’s too rich for a Hornets team needing a lot.

For the Hornets, this team needs all the talent accumulation they can get. Miller should be fine, heaped and ready to take some next steps.

[Diop]

Miles crappy %s are going to make him tough to trade.

[JMAC3]

Miles crappy %s are going to make him tough to trade.

I am sure some team would give us the 23rd pick in this draft for Miles, but idk how a trade like that would make us better.

We lack a top 25 player, the way for us to compete is to have 8-9 guys that are really good. The Pacers model, Haliburton and Siakam are solid but where they beat teams is their 3 -10 is better than yours.