Around The NBA : 2024-25 Season

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Another easy night for Zion. Just 30 min.

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C Webb vibes

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[DASMACKDOWN]

It took him 5 years to get his footing, but Deni Avdija has finally found himself. You could say he found it last year, but he has a whole different confidence this year.

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Will be interesting to see if he comes in a cuts costs similar to Minnesota's new owners pretty much immediately trading KAT.

That Boston roster is EXPENSIVE

[MrSparkle]

What an obscene amount of money. Yet at the same time, I’m so used to reading about $1T valuations that it also seems insignificant. Here I am barely paying my expensive (to me) “starter house” mortgage. LOL

Private equities have so much cash to spill. I don’t know if Boston will operate the same way Minnesota and Dallas did. Dallas just seems like incompetent GM’ing. I personally don’t understand how axing a 1-man playoff machine for an older prone older max contract big man is cost-cutting (I don’t think anyone does). The Mavs owners entrusted the wrong guy.

So long the new owner doesn’t decide to fire Stevens and hire his son… I think the Cs are safe for the near future. The logical moves would be to move off Jrue, Porzingis, White - in that order. Explore a consolidation/upgrade. But in the meantime, I don’t see a couple of $000000s putting a dent in his bank accounts if they’re making finals runs.

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Will be interesting to see if he comes in a cuts costs similar to Minnesota's new owners pretty much immediately trading KAT.

That Boston roster is EXPENSIVE

Been arguing about the Celtics cutting salary for weeks now, lmao! Easy to suggest skip the two biggest contracts and focus on moving smaller ones to clear cap. In practice, how do you move Holiday and clear cap anytime soon? Holiday just signed an extension in 2024, if they had any plans on moving him that doesn't make sense. Celtics have made some insane money moves. 4 players 33 or older have signed $100+ mill contracts, Lebron James, Steph Curry and two current Celtics, Al Horford and Jrue Holiday.

Moving Porzingis looks like what? He's expiring, unless he's going to the Nets, you're taking back cap to move him, possibly not expiring money.

Will repeat I think Derrick White is critical on that team, especially if you can move Jrue. Trading him doesn't help.

Juggle around the edges all you want, the problem is two supermax players, and neither is top 10 or can lead a team of scrubs to a championship. Tatum and Brown will need expensive quality talent around them to win championships. Being the Yankees of basketball is not nearly as easy as being the Yankees of baseball, cap penalties and taxes are far more severe.

Salary cap projected next year at 154.6. Celtics are around 162.2 without even including Horford, Porzingas, or Holiday or their rookie draft picks. If they can somehow magically trade or get rid of Jrue for expirings this season, which is unlikely at 36 yrs old, $32 mill with two more years left (will get $37 mill at age 38), and let Porzingas leave, they go into the next summer with White, Brown, Tatum, Hauser, Pritchard, no bigs and still way over the cap.

For the 2024-25 season, Boston is projected to pay $53.45 million in luxury tax alone.
That figure pushes their total payroll and tax commitment to roughly $246.7 million. Next year, add $4 mill to Brown's salary, $20 mill to Tatum's, $2.4 mill to Jrue, an extra $8 mill to Hauser, 2-3 late round rookies, subtract 9.5 for Horford and pay a playable center. That's before tax dollars, which are taxed at $2.5 dollars to 1 at that level I think.

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Will be interesting to see if he comes in a cuts costs similar to Minnesota's new owners pretty much immediately trading KAT.

That Boston roster is EXPENSIVE

Minnesota has no new owner. The ARod group was supposed to take over but Glen Taylor had been trying to back out. I think arbitration ruled in ARods favor but still need league approval.

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Will be interesting to see if he comes in a cuts costs similar to Minnesota's new owners pretty much immediately trading KAT.

That Boston roster is EXPENSIVE

It's a good question. That said, IMO, if a PE firm comes in and shakes up a championship team, I think it would bode poorly for them in their ability to ever do another deal for a franchise.

I fully expect a them to keep all 5 of their starters next season if they get to the finals again.

[Infinity2152]

Celtics are on a 3 game win streak and are 6 games behind Cavs who are on a 3 game losing streak. Meaning the gap was 12 only three games ago, so this assumption Celtics will make the Finals is pretty big. Not to mention, there's a huge monetary difference between making the Finals and winning a championship in terms of how the team will profit. Is it worth an extra $100-$150 mill to be the number 2 seed, vs the number 4? They don't look to be better next year if they bring all players back, they'll be even older.

Cavs and Knicks both look to be at least as good, if not better next year than they are this year. Next year:

Cavs core: Darius Garland (26), Donovan Mitchell (29), Deandre Hunter (27), Evan Mobley (24), Jarrett Allen (27)

Knicks core: Jalen Brunson (29), OG Anunoby (28), Josh Hart (31), Mikal Bridges (28), KAT (29), Mitchell Robinson (27)

Celtics core: Jrue Holiday (36), Derrick White (31), Jaylen Brown (29), Jayson Tatum (28), Porzingas (31)

Very dependent on Porzingas health. Last three years he played 57, 65, 51 games and he'll be older with more wear and tear now. He's played 34 of a possible 59 games this season. They still have Horford, so they can survive for now.

Celtics have the worst bench of the three and will have the least room to add

[Ice Man]

People keep writing on the GB about how the NBA is losing fan interest and dying, and yet NBA franchises are increasing at a faster rate than those of the NFL or MLB.

[MAQ]

People keep writing on the GB about how the NBA is losing fan interest and dying, and yet NBA franchises are increasing at a faster rate than those of the NFL or MLB.

I can understand the evaluations on GSW, Chicago, even Dallas being so high.

And I know they're a legacy team...but this is an overpay for that sports franchise.

[Infinity2152]

People keep writing on the GB about how the NBA is losing fan interest and dying, and yet NBA franchises are increasing at a faster rate than those of the NFL or MLB.

I can understand the evaluations on GSW, Chicago, even Dallas being so high.

And I know they're a legacy team...but this is an overpay for that sports franchise.

Forbes estimated their value at $4.7 billion just a year ago. $1.4 billion price jump is STEEP in a year. Article from Forbes, the billionaire principal owner said the team was losing money last year already right after the championship. Got the championship they wanted and going once, twice, sold! The fact they wanted to unload this money pit was broken right after the championship.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2024/07/01/boston-celtics-owners-planning-sale-of-nbas-4th-most-valuable-team/

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People keep writing on the GB about how the NBA is losing fan interest and dying, and yet NBA franchises are increasing at a faster rate than those of the NFL or MLB.

I can understand the evaluations on GSW, Chicago, even Dallas being so high.

And I know they're a legacy team...but this is an overpay for that sports franchise.

Forbes estimated their value at $4.7 billion just a year ago. $1.4 billion price jump is STEEP in a year. Article from Forbes, the billionaire principal owner said the team was losing money last year already right after the championship. Got the championship they wanted and going once, twice, sold! The fact they wanted to unload this money pit was broken right after the championship.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2024/07/01/boston-celtics-owners-planning-sale-of-nbas-4th-most-valuable-team/

You can't rely on Forbes estimate as a precise basis of valuation, so the appreciation may be overstated. That said, there are hundreds of billions in PE firms that are targeting sports, so supply-demand I'm sure played a role in its value.

The issue I see is that PE has a limited hold period for its investments of around a decade, so I'm not sure how that will ultimately be viewed by leagues who are used to longer term holders (although 10 years is pretty long).

[Infinity2152]

I can understand the evaluations on GSW, Chicago, even Dallas being so high.

And I know they're a legacy team...but this is an overpay for that sports franchise.

Forbes estimated their value at $4.7 billion just a year ago. $1.4 billion price jump is STEEP in a year. Article from Forbes, the billionaire principal owner said the team was losing money last year already right after the championship. Got the championship they wanted and going once, twice, sold! The fact they wanted to unload this money pit was broken right after the championship.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2024/07/01/boston-celtics-owners-planning-sale-of-nbas-4th-most-valuable-team/

You can't rely on Forbes estimate as a precise basis of valuation, so the appreciation may be overstated. That said, there are hundreds of billions in PE firms that are targeting sports, so supply-demand I'm sure played a role in its value.

The issue I see is that PE has a limited hold period for its investments of around a decade, so I'm not sure how that will ultimately be viewed by leagues who are used to longer term holders (although 10 years is pretty long).

Thought Forbes would be considered a reasonably reliable estimate, you all are rough in here, lol! I could have probably pulled a more precise one somewhere, I guess. They bought the Celtics at probably the highest it's market value will be for the next few years. Looking at their estimated operating income, ROI% at 6.1 billion has to be somewhere between 1-2%, maybe even lower next year.

And you know supply and demand is killer for principal ownership of a top franchise! You're right the league prefers long term holders, but at these valuations, PE and group ownership has to be primed to eliminate a lot of the family ownership that's dominated.

So far, the Reinsdorf's keep resisting, lol! Of course, the Bulls are a cash cow. People keep talking about tanking, you know making the playoffs makes the Bulls, and the owners, a ton of money right? Home playoffs games, merchandise, probably sold out more games during the season with a playoff, even 8th seed team because you won mores games. Team's valuation is higher. Only hardcore fans are rushing to the arena to see a 15 win team.

[Gant]

Celtics are on a 3 game win streak and are 6 games behind Cavs who are on a 3 game losing streak. Meaning the gap was 12 only three games ago, so this assumption Celtics will make the Finals is pretty big. Not to mention, there's a huge monetary difference between making the Finals and winning a championship in terms of how the team will profit. Is it worth an extra $100-$150 mill to be the number 2 seed, vs the number 4? They don't look to be better next year if they bring all players back, they'll be even older.

Cavs and Knicks both look to be at least as good, if not better next year than they are this year. Next year:

Cavs core: Darius Garland (26), Donovan Mitchell (29), Deandre Hunter (27), Evan Mobley (24), Jarrett Allen (27)

Knicks core: Jalen Brunson (29), OG Anunoby (28), Josh Hart (31), Mikal Bridges (28), KAT (29), Mitchell Robinson (27)

Celtics core: Jrue Holiday (36), Derrick White (31), Jaylen Brown (29), Jayson Tatum (28), Porzingas (31)

Very dependent on Porzingas health. Last three years he played 57, 65, 51 games and he'll be older with more wear and tear now. He's played 34 of a possible 59 games this season. They still have Horford, so they can survive for now.

Celtics have the worst bench of the three and will have the least room to add

You're aging a couple of players a little bit. Holiday will be 35 next season, Porzingis will be 30.

This season the Celtics bench has a net rating of +12.3, by far the best in the league. Cavs bench is 3rd at +2.8. Knick bench 11th at -3.7.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-bench-scoring-team-net-ratings-2025


There will be a ton of pressure to trade off someone. IMO, the most likely candidates to be moved are Hauser, then maybe Holiday due to age. Porzingis is a possibility too, but he's impossible to replicate.

Axios says the value of the team from this sale is really 7.3 billion, as Chisolm is buying only the Grousbeck's controlling portion.

https://www.axios.com/2025/03/20/boston-celtics-record-sale

Everyone following the Celtics was hoping for Steve Pagliuca, one of the current minority owners, to win the bid.

Chisolm has said the right things so far though. We'll see. He reportedly is buying a house in Boston to attend as many games as he can. That's a good sign, because he can't submarine the team and sit comfortably watching a game in the Boston Garden.

It was also reported that Chisolm really is a huge lifelong Celtics fan, and has an "encyclopedic knowledge" of the team's history.

Chisolm:

[Infinity2152]

Celtics are on a 3 game win streak and are 6 games behind Cavs who are on a 3 game losing streak. Meaning the gap was 12 only three games ago, so this assumption Celtics will make the Finals is pretty big. Not to mention, there's a huge monetary difference between making the Finals and winning a championship in terms of how the team will profit. Is it worth an extra $100-$150 mill to be the number 2 seed, vs the number 4? They don't look to be better next year if they bring all players back, they'll be even older.

Cavs and Knicks both look to be at least as good, if not better next year than they are this year. Next year:

Cavs core: Darius Garland (26), Donovan Mitchell (29), Deandre Hunter (27), Evan Mobley (24), Jarrett Allen (27)

Knicks core: Jalen Brunson (29), OG Anunoby (28), Josh Hart (31), Mikal Bridges (28), KAT (29), Mitchell Robinson (27)

Celtics core: Jrue Holiday (36), Derrick White (31), Jaylen Brown (29), Jayson Tatum (28), Porzingas (31)

Very dependent on Porzingas health. Last three years he played 57, 65, 51 games and he'll be older with more wear and tear now. He's played 34 of a possible 59 games this season. They still have Horford, so they can survive for now.

Celtics have the worst bench of the three and will have the least room to add

You're aging a couple of players a little bit. Holiday will be 35 next season, Porzingis will be 30.

This season the Celtics bench has a net rating of +12.3, by far the best in the league. Cavs bench is 3rd at +2.8. Knick bench 11th at -3.7.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-bench-scoring-team-net-ratings-2025


There will be a ton of pressure to trade off someone. IMO, the most likely candidates to be moved are Hauser, then maybe Holiday due to age. Porzingis is a possibility too, but he's impossible to replicate.

Axios says the value of the team from this sale is really 7.3 billion, as Chisolm is buying only the Grousbeck's controlling portion.

https://www.axios.com/2025/03/20/boston-celtics-record-sale

Everyone following the Celtics was hoping for Steve Pagliuca, one of the current minority owners, to win the bid.

Chisolm has said the right things so far though. We'll see. He reportedly is buying a house in Boston to attend as many games as he can. That's a good sign, because he can't submarine the team and sit comfortably watching a game in the Boston Garden.

It was also reported that Chisolm really is a huge lifelong Celtics fan, and has an "encyclopedic knowledge" of the team's history.

Chisolm:

You're right, checked the dates. Jrue turns 36 next June. Porzingas 31 next August. My bad.
Bench is solid with Horford. If they can bring Horford back, he can last, and Porzingas is healthy, they should be very good.

Hauser does sound like the best trade candidate actually. He's $10 mill next year, who even knows how much money in actual savings that would be.

The fact that they traded the team seems to increase the likelihood they bring the core 5 back, and beg Horford not to retire. This will be the new owners first year losing money with the Celtics, a lot easier to stomach. and him being a die hard fan and local, yeah he's a believer!