Game 71 NOP at MIN

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Ant's finishing at rim has regressed this year

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[FrenchMinnyFan]

Ant's finishing at rim has regressed this year

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Not surprising as he spend 2/3 of the season mostly shooting 3 ( with good result). Since few games, he try to attack the rim much more which is a good thing but will need time to get better.
ANT is willing to try many things, work hard. That's why it's a mystery for me to see how badly he is coach making him to do the same mistakes over and over again on clutch time. I blame much more Finch for that than ANT himself.

[cmoss84]

Don't worry. Have this figured out!

We WANT to "make" play-in. We want OKC...but would settle for Houston. Also, we are making sure Jazz finish in last for our SRP.
Brilliant!

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Ant's finishing at rim has regressed this year

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Opponents have figured out he won't swing the ball and just collapse on him, or they peel off our useless rolling big and just demolish him.

One of those he can fix. He has to swing on those doubles.

[younggunsmn]

What a colossal waste of my time and energy following this team is.

Tim Connelly needs to be fired immediately before he does something even stupider like giving Julius Randle an extension or giving up anything with long term value for Kevin Durant.

Trade all your future assets for a max contract one dimensional center you can find mid-late 1st round in any given draft. check.
Give aging center disgusting extension. check.
Trade the 2nd best player your franchise has ever seen who is loyal and wants to be here for a bench shooter and the worst PF in the entire league. check.
Trade an unprotected swap and unprotected 1st 6 and 7 years out for the biggest bust in the draft. check.

I don't like the way Ant has regressed this season, but good lord there are not two worse fits on the planet to surround him with than Julius Randle and Rudy Gobert.

After the last two games I honestly don't think we will even hold off the kings for the 8th seed and we are very unlikely to make it out of the play-in.

Please just contract this disgusting mess of a franchise and tear down target center to build a parking garage for that other embarrassing sports team.

[minimus]

[Note30]

What a colossal waste of my time and energy following this team is.

Tim Connelly needs to be fired immediately before he does something even stupider like giving Julius Randle an extension or giving up anything with long term value for Kevin Durant.

Trade all your future assets for a max contract one dimensional center you can find mid-late 1st round in any given draft. check.
Give aging center disgusting extension. check.
Trade the 2nd best player your franchise has ever seen who is loyal and wants to be here for a bench shooter and the worst PF in the entire league. check.
Trade an unprotected swap and unprotected 1st 6 and 7 years out for the biggest bust in the draft. check.

I don't like the way Ant has regressed this season, but good lord there are not two worse fits on the planet to surround him with than Julius Randle and Rudy Gobert.

After the last two games I honestly don't think we will even hold off the kings for the 8th seed and we are very unlikely to make it out of the play-in.

Please just contract this disgusting mess of a franchise and tear down target center to build a parking garage for that other embarrassing sports team.

I feel you man. Been saying it just as long as you have.

For what it's worth I think if we can somehow convince Ant not ask out before 2029, we have a shot to fix some of this. We have our picks next year (despite it being a swap) and in 2028, so there is some chance to rebuild if we gut the crap on our team.

But the first step is ditching TC and Finch.

[younggunsmn]

What a colossal waste of my time and energy following this team is.

Tim Connelly needs to be fired immediately before he does something even stupider like giving Julius Randle an extension or giving up anything with long term value for Kevin Durant.

Trade all your future assets for a max contract one dimensional center you can find mid-late 1st round in any given draft. check.
Give aging center disgusting extension. check.
Trade the 2nd best player your franchise has ever seen who is loyal and wants to be here for a bench shooter and the worst PF in the entire league. check.
Trade an unprotected swap and unprotected 1st 6 and 7 years out for the biggest bust in the draft. check.

I don't like the way Ant has regressed this season, but good lord there are not two worse fits on the planet to surround him with than Julius Randle and Rudy Gobert.

After the last two games I honestly don't think we will even hold off the kings for the 8th seed and we are very unlikely to make it out of the play-in.

Please just contract this disgusting mess of a franchise and tear down target center to build a parking garage for that other embarrassing sports team.

I feel you man. Been saying it just as long as you have.

For what it's worth I think if we can somehow convince Ant not ask out before 2029, we have a shot to fix some of this. We have our picks next year (despite it being a swap) and in 2028, so there is some chance to rebuild if we gut the crap on our team.

But the first step is ditching TC and Finch.

Finch is a league average coach. He aint the main problem.
The mess of a roster he was given is the main problem.
And the guy responsible for that needs to be shown the door ASAP.

Our picks in 29, 30,31 are just plain gone.
Bottoming out isn't an option, although if Ant asks out we may bottom out involuntarily anyways.

We gave away a guy who was one of one. For nothing.
It took finishing dead last and winning a draft lottery in a good draft year to get that guy.

The level of talent necessary to win at the highest level is no longer within our grasp.
I'm coming to terms with that.

Barring some unforeseen miracle like finding a once a decade Jokic or Giannis level stroke of luck in a year we do have a pick,
we will be mediocre to bad for the next decade minimum.

Anthony Edwards will be asking out within two years.

[winforlose]

What a colossal waste of my time and energy following this team is.

Tim Connelly needs to be fired immediately before he does something even stupider like giving Julius Randle an extension or giving up anything with long term value for Kevin Durant.

Trade all your future assets for a max contract one dimensional center you can find mid-late 1st round in any given draft. check.
Give aging center disgusting extension. check.
Trade the 2nd best player your franchise has ever seen who is loyal and wants to be here for a bench shooter and the worst PF in the entire league. check.
Trade an unprotected swap and unprotected 1st 6 and 7 years out for the biggest bust in the draft. check.

I don't like the way Ant has regressed this season, but good lord there are not two worse fits on the planet to surround him with than Julius Randle and Rudy Gobert.

After the last two games I honestly don't think we will even hold off the kings for the 8th seed and we are very unlikely to make it out of the play-in.

Please just contract this disgusting mess of a franchise and tear down target center to build a parking garage for that other embarrassing sports team.

I feel you man. Been saying it just as long as you have.

For what it's worth I think if we can somehow convince Ant not ask out before 2029, we have a shot to fix some of this. We have our picks next year (despite it being a swap) and in 2028, so there is some chance to rebuild if we gut the crap on our team.

But the first step is ditching TC and Finch.

Finch is a league average coach. He aint the main problem.
The mess of a roster he was given is the main problem.
And the guy responsible for that needs to be shown the door ASAP.

Our picks in 29, 30,31 are just plain gone.
Bottoming out isn't an option, although if Ant asks out we may bottom out involuntarily anyways.

We gave away a guy who was one of one. For nothing.
It took finishing dead last and winning a draft lottery in a good draft year to get that guy.

The level of talent necessary to win at the highest level is no longer within our grasp.
I'm coming to terms with that.

Barring some unforeseen miracle like finding a once a decade Jokic or Giannis level stroke of luck in a year we do have a pick,
we will be mediocre to bad for the next decade minimum.

Anthony Edwards will be asking out within two years.

There is a pattern we don’t talk enough about. We get lost in the individual player flaws, and the patterns of offense futility. In the first OKC game after the break we would over commit to doubling SGA. He would get off it quick, and in the fourth they drained 7 of their first 8 3s to bury us. You saw it again 2 games ago against Indy. We were struggling to contain the ball (TJ of all people,) so we over commit and then an open 3 follows. Last night we put 2 on Zion and again open 3s doom us. There are plenty more examples of this throughout the season.

In the Identity Thread, I said we are no longer a defensive identity team. You saw some of that last night. Defensive identity teams end possessions with rebounds. With us, even when we force the miss, we don’t box out. We don’t secure enough long rebounds or 50/50 balls. We don’t maintain defensive energy or pressure regardless of opponent. We don’t adapt or coverages to fit the gameplan. We are a 3 trick pony and the teams we play against know all 3 tricks. Our identity is make our 3s and outscore you. When we do, it covers up most of our deepest flaws. When we don’t, we are what you saw last night.

[Note30]

What a colossal waste of my time and energy following this team is.

Tim Connelly needs to be fired immediately before he does something even stupider like giving Julius Randle an extension or giving up anything with long term value for Kevin Durant.

Trade all your future assets for a max contract one dimensional center you can find mid-late 1st round in any given draft. check.
Give aging center disgusting extension. check.
Trade the 2nd best player your franchise has ever seen who is loyal and wants to be here for a bench shooter and the worst PF in the entire league. check.
Trade an unprotected swap and unprotected 1st 6 and 7 years out for the biggest bust in the draft. check.

I don't like the way Ant has regressed this season, but good lord there are not two worse fits on the planet to surround him with than Julius Randle and Rudy Gobert.

After the last two games I honestly don't think we will even hold off the kings for the 8th seed and we are very unlikely to make it out of the play-in.

Please just contract this disgusting mess of a franchise and tear down target center to build a parking garage for that other embarrassing sports team.

I feel you man. Been saying it just as long as you have.

For what it's worth I think if we can somehow convince Ant not ask out before 2029, we have a shot to fix some of this. We have our picks next year (despite it being a swap) and in 2028, so there is some chance to rebuild if we gut the crap on our team.

But the first step is ditching TC and Finch.

Finch is a league average coach. He aint the main problem.
The mess of a roster he was given is the main problem.
And the guy responsible for that needs to be shown the door ASAP.

Our picks in 29, 30,31 are just plain gone.
Bottoming out isn't an option, although if Ant asks out we may bottom out involuntarily anyways.

We gave away a guy who was one of one. For nothing.
It took finishing dead last and winning a draft lottery in a good draft year to get that guy.

The level of talent necessary to win at the highest level is no longer within our grasp.
I'm coming to terms with that.

Barring some unforeseen miracle like finding a once a decade Jokic or Giannis level stroke of luck in a year we do have a pick,
we will be mediocre to bad for the next decade minimum.

Anthony Edwards will be asking out within two years.

bad to mediocre, yes. But imo we're mediocre this year, so as long as TC gets fired at least we won't be mediocre after another decade.

God the Dilly trade was stupid especially in light of the fact that KAT got traded after, but apparently those picks didn't matter and we got a great deal. **** morons.

We have never built a team off the back of FA signings, nobody wants to play here, not sure why those picks don't matter. So we can be a #3 seed one year and back to being an #8 seed the next year?

Guarantee the Jazz will be a better team than us before we finish our obligations to them.

But don't worry Rudy Gobert is a top10 player. Not sure at what exactly but he's top 10. If he's so good we'd be better than an #8 seed. The year KAT was missing we were #8, then we jumped to #3 when he came back, and now we're back to #8. Doesn't take a **** genius.

[TimberKat]

I don't know if Gobert is the problem. The none Gobert minutes looked bad too. Ant shot 5-19 maybe more of the issue here. I didn't bother to analyze the game but the general feel is we play like we did in the beginning of the season. Don't know why JMcD only took 4 shots. Naz and NAW were terrible. Allowing 119 pts to NOP is not right

I am wondering at this point nothing really matters (who is in the lineup, home or not, etc) except for how well Ant plays because he has the ball most of the time. If Ant has a great game we got a fair chance to win. Bad Ant we lose. He basically made 1-9 none 3s but did go to the line a lot. His defense was not good either too many gamble.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

I found funny how people try to find scapegoat, Rudy ( not good), Mike ( too old).....Yes Rudy have flaws and Mike start the season very slow ( he shoot 52% last 25 games at 3, 60% last 10) but they are not the main reason why we are not good enough.

The reason are for me :

- No one is managing ANT, he do the same mistakes again and again at clutch time and is not accountable by anyone there.
- Randle is fighting, but is so bad on defense and does not match at all with the rest of the team specially with Rudy , Jaden too. Also It put NAZ not where he should be.
- Trading KAT was a big mistake but i do not believe that TC did it without the owner agreement. They seems to be cheap and don't want to pay KAT at this level but putting another reason on the table is just crap. So blaming TC is probably a bit easy except if he got proposal from Dallas and did not trade ANT for Luka....

Now it's way too late this year to fixed things. Try to get out of the Play-in and after that we got nothing to loose. After we got eliminated, it will be the right time for them to look in the mirror and if they are not blind , they will have to make many changes are we have no chance to win anything right now ( WCF gain will be kind of miracle..).

1/ First thing is coaching. Finch seems to be a nice guy but he definitely not strong enough to manage a young star , full of talent but immature at that stage.

2/ Rudy case : Rudy getting old, he slow down and his flaws will become more and more obvious with ages.

3/ Randle : Trade him as soon as possible. He is not a bad player, just does not match with our players here.

4/ Sign NAZ and put him at C if he wish so + get a back up C

5/ Mike : Have to come from the bench to share his experiences and teach the team. I love Mike but at that stage, he is not a starter in a contending team. And if he want to become coach, give him the job.

6/ DDV : He will never be a great PG. Great dynamite guy, perfect when he is hot but he is not PG starter caliber. Perfect 6 men for me.

Lots of things to do but on my opinion, not so complicated.
If not, as some of you say, ANT will leave in 2 years.
One last thing, trading for KD will be for me the worst things to do. He is old and it's like going all in. We can win next year or getting into years of mediocrity again...

[Note30]

I don't know if Gobert is the problem. The none Gobert minutes looked bad too. Ant shot 5-19 maybe more of the issue here. I didn't bother to analyze the game but the general feel is we play like we did in the beginning of the season. Don't know why JMcD only took 4 shots. Naz and NAW were terrible. Allowing 119 pts to NOP is not right

I am wondering at this point nothing really matters (who is in the lineup, home or not, etc) except for how well Ant plays because he has the ball most of the time. If Ant has a great game we got a fair chance to win. Bad Ant we lose. He basically made 1-9 none 3s but did go to the line a lot. His defense was not good either too many gamble.

We'd have our picks and an All Team center if he wasnt here. We could build something using those and have way more flexibility.

So while his play isn't necessarily the problem his very presence on this team is.

[Note30]

I found funny how people try to find scapegoat, Rudy ( not good), Mike ( too old).....Yes Rudy have flaws and Mike start the season very slow ( he shoot 52% last 25 games at 3, 60% last 10) but they are not the main reason why we are not good enough.

The reason are for me :

- No one is managing ANT, he do the same mistakes again and again at clutch time and is not accountable by anyone there.
- Randle is fighting, but is so bad on defense and does not match at all with the rest of the team specially with Rudy , Jaden too. Also It put NAZ not where he should be.
- Trading KAT was a big mistake but i do not believe that TC did it without the owner agreement. They seems to be cheap and don't want to pay KAT at this level but putting another reason on the table is just crap. So blaming TC is probably a bit easy except if he got proposal from Dallas and did not trade ANT for Luka....

Now it's way too late this year to fixed things. Try to get out of the Play-in and after that we got nothing to loose. After we got eliminated, it will be the right time for them to look in the mirror and if they are not blind , they will have to make many changes are we have no chance to win anything right now ( WCF gain will be kind of miracle..).

1/ First thing is coaching. Finch seems to be a nice guy but he definitely not strong enough to manage a young star , full of talent but immature at that stage.

2/ Rudy case : Rudy getting old, he slow down and his flaws will become more and more obvious with ages.

3/ Randle : Trade him as soon as possible. He is not a bad player, just does not match with our players here.

4/ Sign NAZ and put him at C if he wish so + get a back up C

5/ Mike : Have to come from the bench to share his experiences and teach the team. I love Mike but at that stage, he is not a starter in a contending team. And if he want to become coach, give him the job.

6/ DDV : He will never be a great PG. Great dynamite guy, perfect when he is hot but he is not PG starter caliber. Perfect 6 men for me.

Lots of things to do but on my opinion, not so complicated.
If not, as some of you say, ANT will leave in 2 years.
One last thing, trading for KD will be for me the worst things to do. He is old and it's like going all in. We can win next year or getting into years of mediocrity again...

You can't make changes when you have nothing to dangle. You can't use dog **** to buy gold.

[TimberKat]

I don't know if Gobert is the problem. The none Gobert minutes looked bad too. Ant shot 5-19 maybe more of the issue here. I didn't bother to analyze the game but the general feel is we play like we did in the beginning of the season. Don't know why JMcD only took 4 shots. Naz and NAW were terrible. Allowing 119 pts to NOP is not right

I am wondering at this point nothing really matters (who is in the lineup, home or not, etc) except for how well Ant plays because he has the ball most of the time. If Ant has a great game we got a fair chance to win. Bad Ant we lose. He basically made 1-9 none 3s but did go to the line a lot. His defense was not good either too many gamble.

We'd have our picks and an All Team center if he wasnt here. We could build something using those and have way more flexibility.

So while his play isn't necessarily the problem his very presence on this team is.

I still not sure about that. Look at how NYK are playing now and the complaints about defense. I think all those picks are overrated in terms of winning now. Supposed you have those picks what would you have done with them? However, if the question was Towns or Gobert, you can only keep one. I keep Towns. I always assumed we kept both or Towns would had been traded for an upgrade instead of Randle

[Note30]

I don't know if Gobert is the problem. The none Gobert minutes looked bad too. Ant shot 5-19 maybe more of the issue here. I didn't bother to analyze the game but the general feel is we play like we did in the beginning of the season. Don't know why JMcD only took 4 shots. Naz and NAW were terrible. Allowing 119 pts to NOP is not right

I am wondering at this point nothing really matters (who is in the lineup, home or not, etc) except for how well Ant plays because he has the ball most of the time. If Ant has a great game we got a fair chance to win. Bad Ant we lose. He basically made 1-9 none 3s but did go to the line a lot. His defense was not good either too many gamble.

We'd have our picks and an All Team center if he wasnt here. We could build something using those and have way more flexibility.

So while his play isn't necessarily the problem his very presence on this team is.

I still not sure about that. Look at how NYK are playing now and the complaints about defense. I think all those picks are overrated in terms of winning now. Supposed you have those picks what would you have done with them? However, if the question was Towns or Gobert, you can only keep one. I keep Towns. I always assumed we kept both or Towns would had been traded for an upgrade instead of Randle

If we never traded for Gobert? The landscape of the NBA would be a bit different. Cleveland might not have Mitchell. But that's a digression.

We wouldn't have made the playoffs the summer after we traded for Gobert. We'd probably would have been the 7th through 12th pick in the 2023 draft. So we'd have one of Colulibaly, Cason Wallace, or Lively Jr. We'd have a cheap back up in Kessler as well.

We probably would have done slightly better the year after with Towns back, and made the first round probably get swept by Denver. We'd draft somewhere in the middle (15-20) and have one of Jared McCain or Dalton Knecht.

Just from not trading for Gobert we'd have backups in Kessler, Cason Wallace, and Dalton Knecht. Obviously no Conley or to much chagrin, NAW.

With the ability to have traded D'Angelo for someone and gotten a decent backup center or backup PF I think we could have traded for someone like Kyle Kuzma.

We'd still be missing a PG. But all things equal and if you asked me would I rather have this roster or the one we currently have?

X/Wallace
Edwards/Knecht
McDaniels/x
Towns/Kuzma
Kessler/Reid

Yeah. I'd take this anyday of the week plus all of our picks for the next 7 years.

We could still have gotten someone like Conley or even jumped on Holiday when he became available.

Sounds way better than Gobert.

[guest81]

We'd have our picks and an All Team center if he wasnt here. We could build something using those and have way more flexibility.

So while his play isn't necessarily the problem his very presence on this team is.

I still not sure about that. Look at how NYK are playing now and the complaints about defense. I think all those picks are overrated in terms of winning now. Supposed you have those picks what would you have done with them? However, if the question was Towns or Gobert, you can only keep one. I keep Towns. I always assumed we kept both or Towns would had been traded for an upgrade instead of Randle

If we never traded for Gobert? The landscape of the NBA would be a bit different. Cleveland might not have Mitchell. But that's a digression.

We wouldn't have made the playoffs the summer after we traded for Gobert. We'd probably would have been the 7th through 12th pick in the 2023 draft. So we'd have one of Colulibaly, Cason Wallace, or Lively Jr. We'd have a cheap back up in Kessler as well.

We probably would have done slightly better the year after with Towns back, and made the first round probably get swept by Denver. We'd draft somewhere in the middle (15-20) and have one of Jared McCain or Dalton Knecht.

Just from not trading for Gobert we'd have backups in Kessler, Cason Wallace, and Dalton Knecht. Obviously no Conley or to much chagrin, NAW.

With the ability to have traded D'Angelo for someone and gotten a decent backup center or backup PF I think we could have traded for someone like Kyle Kuzma.

We'd still be missing a PG. But all things equal and if you asked me would I rather have this roster or the one we currently have?

X/Wallace
Edwards/Knecht
McDaniels/x
Towns/Kuzma
Kessler/Reid

Yeah. I'd take this anyday of the week plus all of our picks for the next 7 years.

We could still have gotten someone like Conley or even jumped on Holiday when he became available.

Sounds way better than Gobert.

Lol, fans on here want to blow it up after two losses, but you think the same people are going to be cool with this team that would of never sniffed the playoffs, but they have "flexibility" sure right

[Note30]

I still not sure about that. Look at how NYK are playing now and the complaints about defense. I think all those picks are overrated in terms of winning now. Supposed you have those picks what would you have done with them? However, if the question was Towns or Gobert, you can only keep one. I keep Towns. I always assumed we kept both or Towns would had been traded for an upgrade instead of Randle

If we never traded for Gobert? The landscape of the NBA would be a bit different. Cleveland might not have Mitchell. But that's a digression.

We wouldn't have made the playoffs the summer after we traded for Gobert. We'd probably would have been the 7th through 12th pick in the 2023 draft. So we'd have one of Colulibaly, Cason Wallace, or Lively Jr. We'd have a cheap back up in Kessler as well.

We probably would have done slightly better the year after with Towns back, and made the first round probably get swept by Denver. We'd draft somewhere in the middle (15-20) and have one of Jared McCain or Dalton Knecht.

Just from not trading for Gobert we'd have backups in Kessler, Cason Wallace, and Dalton Knecht. Obviously no Conley or to much chagrin, NAW.

With the ability to have traded D'Angelo for someone and gotten a decent backup center or backup PF I think we could have traded for someone like Kyle Kuzma.

We'd still be missing a PG. But all things equal and if you asked me would I rather have this roster or the one we currently have?

X/Wallace
Edwards/Knecht
McDaniels/x
Towns/Kuzma
Kessler/Reid

Yeah. I'd take this anyday of the week plus all of our picks for the next 7 years.

We could still have gotten someone like Conley or even jumped on Holiday when he became available.

Sounds way better than Gobert.

Lol, fans on here want to blow it up after two losses, but you think the same people are going to be cool with this team that would of never sniffed the playoffs, but they have "flexibility" sure right

I was fine with it. I have said multiple times I rather win a chip with a well developed team over blowing it all on some random. I was just as pissed about Gobert as I was about Butler.

Just because other fans here paraded Gobert as the second coming of Jesus didn't mean that I did.

Also we for sure would have made the playoffs. Within the past two years. Obviously through the playin and a first round sweep like Memphis but at least we would have been a better spot.

[TimberKat]

We'd have our picks and an All Team center if he wasnt here. We could build something using those and have way more flexibility.

So while his play isn't necessarily the problem his very presence on this team is.

I still not sure about that. Look at how NYK are playing now and the complaints about defense. I think all those picks are overrated in terms of winning now. Supposed you have those picks what would you have done with them? However, if the question was Towns or Gobert, you can only keep one. I keep Towns. I always assumed we kept both or Towns would had been traded for an upgrade instead of Randle

If we never traded for Gobert? The landscape of the NBA would be a bit different. Cleveland might not have Mitchell. But that's a digression.

We wouldn't have made the playoffs the summer after we traded for Gobert. We'd probably would have been the 7th through 12th pick in the 2023 draft. So we'd have one of Colulibaly, Cason Wallace, or Lively Jr. We'd have a cheap back up in Kessler as well.

We probably would have done slightly better the year after with Towns back, and made the first round probably get swept by Denver. We'd draft somewhere in the middle (15-20) and have one of Jared McCain or Dalton Knecht.

Just from not trading for Gobert we'd have backups in Kessler, Cason Wallace, and Dalton Knecht. Obviously no Conley or to much chagrin, NAW.

With the ability to have traded D'Angelo for someone and gotten a decent backup center or backup PF I think we could have traded for someone like Kyle Kuzma.

We'd still be missing a PG. But all things equal and if you asked me would I rather have this roster or the one we currently have?

X/Wallace
Edwards/Knecht
McDaniels/x
Towns/Kuzma
Kessler/Reid

Yeah. I'd take this anyday of the week plus all of our picks for the next 7 years.

We could still have gotten someone like Conley or even jumped on Holiday when he became available.

Sounds way better than Gobert.

Yes, interesting. I don't know did we intentionally drafted Kessler or drafted him for Jazz. If we can't afford both Gobert and Towns, then Towns+Kessler is a good combo.

Instead of Wallace, we could also end up with Hendricks, Howard or Hawkins. You also likely won't have Clark or TJR. I am not sure Carson + Knecht are that much better than Clark + TJR at this point.

When the Gobert trade happened. We have 3 guys that can create shots for themselves and for others and we lack defense. Now we only have one guy that can create short for himself and Randle is inconsistent.

[Note30]

I still not sure about that. Look at how NYK are playing now and the complaints about defense. I think all those picks are overrated in terms of winning now. Supposed you have those picks what would you have done with them? However, if the question was Towns or Gobert, you can only keep one. I keep Towns. I always assumed we kept both or Towns would had been traded for an upgrade instead of Randle

If we never traded for Gobert? The landscape of the NBA would be a bit different. Cleveland might not have Mitchell. But that's a digression.

We wouldn't have made the playoffs the summer after we traded for Gobert. We'd probably would have been the 7th through 12th pick in the 2023 draft. So we'd have one of Colulibaly, Cason Wallace, or Lively Jr. We'd have a cheap back up in Kessler as well.

We probably would have done slightly better the year after with Towns back, and made the first round probably get swept by Denver. We'd draft somewhere in the middle (15-20) and have one of Jared McCain or Dalton Knecht.

Just from not trading for Gobert we'd have backups in Kessler, Cason Wallace, and Dalton Knecht. Obviously no Conley or to much chagrin, NAW.

With the ability to have traded D'Angelo for someone and gotten a decent backup center or backup PF I think we could have traded for someone like Kyle Kuzma.

We'd still be missing a PG. But all things equal and if you asked me would I rather have this roster or the one we currently have?

X/Wallace
Edwards/Knecht
McDaniels/x
Towns/Kuzma
Kessler/Reid

Yeah. I'd take this anyday of the week plus all of our picks for the next 7 years.

We could still have gotten someone like Conley or even jumped on Holiday when he became available.

Sounds way better than Gobert.

Yes, interesting. I don't know did we intentionally drafted Kessler or drafted him for Jazz. If we can't afford both Gobert and Towns, then Towns+Kessler is a good combo.

Instead of Wallace, we could also end up with Hendricks, Howard or Hawkins. You also likely won't have Clark or TJR. I am not sure Carson + Knecht are that much better than Clark + TJR at this point.

When the Gobert trade happened. We have 3 guys that can create shots for themselves and for others and we lack defense. Now we only have one guy that can create short for himself and Randle is inconsistent.

Clark was the 53rd pick. We'd still have a second in 2023 to draft him.

Wallace is one of the best defensive Gs in the league, and imo one of the best value backup Gs in the league especially for his cost and age.


He would have been a huge boost for this team. I'd take him over Clark any day of the week. Knecht is pretty good too. Completely different player from TSJ but I still take Knecht over him as well. They are both pretty premium bench players who can start as well.

Our wholes in the team would be much more solvable with picks from 2025-2032 available today. We could trade an odd pick here or there to fill a need while we draft or sign our PG of the future.