Rumors, Random Thoughts, and Non-threadworthy Posts 17.0 The Least Random

[Godaddycurse]

during free agency...
Fontecchio+ FRP26(Protected Lottery) for S.Aldama

Or..
4 SRP/Fontecchio for S.Aldama/Konchar

why not just offer sheet Aldama?

Lower salary right? Maybe Santi will come play for you for salary X, but Memphis will match that. Rather than pay him salary Y that you think Memphis won't match, move a player you are upgrading and a minor asset to get the price you want. And depending on how much that is, they could use cap space first and then add him.

Memphis seem like they want to use capspace to reneg and extend JJJ so its a good situation to try to offer sheet aldama imo

[Texas Chuck]

why not just offer sheet Aldama?

Lower salary right? Maybe Santi will come play for you for salary X, but Memphis will match that. Rather than pay him salary Y that you think Memphis won't match, move a player you are upgrading and a minor asset to get the price you want. And depending on how much that is, they could use cap space first and then add him.

Memphis seem like they want to use capspace to reneg and extend JJJ so its a good situation to try to offer sheet aldama imo

Yeah that makes sense.

I'm talking more theory probably lol.

[zimpy27]

Reaves for Mikal trade.

How many FRPs do Knicks give?

None, they ask for FRPs.

I don't think Mikal has that value, is it because Knicks spent so much?

[jayu70]

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[cgf]

Reaves for Mikal trade.

How many FRPs do Knicks give?

None, they ask for FRPs.

I don't think Mikal has that value, is it because Knicks spent so much?

He does to a team that already has Brunson and Towns. Reaves would helps raise our floor by improving us more when one of them was out, but Mikal raises our ceiling by helping us more when we’re healthy.

Our offense has been the last of our problems when Brunson & KAT are both out there…and Thibs has been staggering their rest, so we don’t need a Quickley to lead the 2nd unit so much, KAT or Jalen does that.

[NotACat]

I was imagining Cade sliding down to the 2, seems like he has the size for it

But the cap concerns are definitely real

DET is Cade's team, and will be for the next 5-10 years.. Lillard may or may not be a better player today, but there is no way that DET is trading for a ball-dominant lead guard more than a decade older than our foundational star.

Hmm...Dallas did this and went to the NBA Finals.

This is such a dumb take. Kyrie was 30 when they traded for him, Lillard is 34 and Lillard is making $55M and $58M for the next two seasons.

It would be idiotic for the Pistons to tank their cap flexibility for Lillard.

[Texas Chuck]

I totally get this idea of we love this little team and we want to just continue to build it organically.

But beyond the obvious Cade elevation and moving on from Monty, part of why the team looks so competent is bringing in the right veterans. Old guys too.

I'm not saying Dame is the right move. But we obsess way too much about timelines and guys having to all be the same age and windows are rarely what fans think.

Its not dumb thinking. Its just a different approach from yours.

[Mavrelous]

Pagliuca's statement (through Bontemps on THC), is interesting, maybe it's just frustration after losing the bid, but emphasizing lack of debt and venture capital means he anticipates tighter financial constraints.

[NotACat]

I totally get this idea of we love this little team and we want to just continue to build it organically.

But beyond the obvious Cade elevation and moving on from Monty, part of why the team looks so competent is bringing in the right veterans. Old guys too.

I'm not saying Dame is the right move. But we obsess way too much about timelines and guys having to all be the same age and windows are rarely what fans think.

Its not dumb thinking. Its just a different approach from yours.

I'm not against vets, THJ, Malik, and Tobias have been a huge lift for us. But those 3 players COMBINED take up less of the cap than Lillard this year. Lillard is 7th most expensive contract next season and what he would bring is simply not worth that cost.

The Pistons would be much better off targeting McCollum would bring a similar benefit in terms of performance and veteran leadership, and his contract is $20M less than Lillard. That's enough for players like Greyson Allen, Cam Johnson, Duncan Robinson, or Harrison Barnes.

[Texas Chuck]

I totally get this idea of we love this little team and we want to just continue to build it organically.

But beyond the obvious Cade elevation and moving on from Monty, part of why the team looks so competent is bringing in the right veterans. Old guys too.

I'm not saying Dame is the right move. But we obsess way too much about timelines and guys having to all be the same age and windows are rarely what fans think.

Its not dumb thinking. Its just a different approach from yours.

I'm not against vets, THJ, Malik, and Tobias have been a huge lift for us. But those 3 players COMBINED take up less of the cap than Lillard this year. Lillard is 7th most expensive contract next season and what he would bring is simply not worth that cost.

The Pistons would be much better off targeting McCollum would bring a similar benefit in terms of performance and veteran leadership, and his contract is $20M less than Lillard. That's enough for players like Greyson Allen, Cam Johnson, Duncan Robinson, or Harrison Barnes.

I would rather have Dame for the next 2 years than CJ and any of those players. Especially once you factor in Cam will cost you some real assets and Allen will cost you something as well. So you aren't really saving assets. According to this board(I think they are wrong fwiw) Cam would cost more than Dame to acquire.

I get the risk with Dame. But he's still a really really good player.

[ReggiesKnicks]

This is such a dumb take. Kyrie was 30 when they traded for him, Lillard is 34 and Lillard is making $55M and $58M for the next two seasons.

It would be idiotic for the Pistons to tank their cap flexibility for Lillard.

My take isn't dumb, and I will prove to you why it isn't dumb.

Now, you may disagree with the direction for which Lillard is for the Detroit Pistons. However, my first argument would be that Detroit added older talent around Cade this year, which worked better than anyone expected.

My second is Lillard isn't tanking their flexibility.

Lillard for Harris + Fontecchio + 1st works for Detroit salary-wise.

All of a sudden, Detroit has a handful of youthful pieces (Cade, Duren, Ausar, Sasser, Ivey, Holland Jr, Stewart), which is their future core (similar to OKC), but adds an All-Star level Veteran (Top 30 player in Lillard).

Detroit must find a way to get over the cap and utilize the MLE. Otherwise, Detroit adds someone else to the Lillard deal and operates over the cap before acquiring Lillard (Maybe they add Ivey instead of a 1st).

Even WITH Lillard, the Pistons would be well below the Salary Cap in 2026-2027. They can offer Lillard a Holiday or Gobert-like contract, lowering his Player Option Salary from 2026 to 2027 to give him a few extra years.

Acquiring Lillard doesn't impede their future salary constraints in any significant capacity. Lillard is set to expire after 2026-2027, while Ausar, Stewart, and Holland are all under contract through at least 2026-2027. Duren is the only extension, but if he is truly worth a Max, then Detroit doesn't have a problem since Duren is an all-star big man paired with Cade and just entering his prime, and if he isn't worth a Max then Detroit isn't sniffing the Tax Line.

[cgf]

What’s the deal with aldama? Is Memphis doing everything they can to keep him, and how much do we think he’s worth / he gets?

[Godaddycurse]

What’s the deal with aldama? Is Memphis doing everything they can to keep him, and how much do we think he’s worth / he gets?

I think Memphis tries to dump Clarke (and Konchar) and keep aldama, unless Aldama gets a big offer in RFA

[ReggiesKnicks]

What’s the deal with aldama? Is Memphis doing everything they can to keep him, and how much do we think he’s worth / he gets?

He is a good 3rd big. Worth more than the MLE. Low-end starter but still a starter quality.

Naz Reid tier player. Better than Obi Toppin.

[oldncreaky]

I totally get this idea of we love this little team and we want to just continue to build it organically.

But beyond the obvious Cade elevation and moving on from Monty, part of why the team looks so competent is bringing in the right veterans. Old guys too.

I'm not saying Dame is the right move. But we obsess way too much about timelines and guys having to all be the same age and windows are rarely what fans think.

Its not dumb thinking. Its just a different approach from yours.

I'm not against vets, THJ, Malik, and Tobias have been a huge lift for us. But those 3 players COMBINED take up less of the cap than Lillard this year. Lillard is 7th most expensive contract next season and what he would bring is simply not worth that cost.

The Pistons would be much better off targeting McCollum would bring a similar benefit in terms of performance and veteran leadership, and his contract is $20M less than Lillard. That's enough for players like Greyson Allen, Cam Johnson, Duncan Robinson, or Harrison Barnes.

I would rather have Dame for the next 2 years than CJ and any of those players. Especially once you factor in Cam will cost you some real assets and Allen will cost you something as well. So you aren't really saving assets. According to this board(I think they are wrong fwiw) Cam would cost more than Dame to acquire.

I get the risk with Dame. But he's still a really really good player.

I have Dame as a really really good player too

But Dame has much the same role as Cade -- ball-dominant lead guard. Devoting 65% of the salary cap to that one role in this CBA era is foolish in my opinion, and devoting 35% of the cap to a player who would end up being miscast as a secondary creator/ backup PG is foolish in and of itself.

There are vets that I would consider adding, particularly if we see Tobias do his usual fade in the playoffs. DFS or similar style+role+salary would be ideal; Jrue Holiday would be a gamble I'd take if the Celts sacrifice him for financial reasons; there are a handful of Cs making around $20M I'd love to add if we move on from one of our young Cs; a "young vet" PF like Toppin or Aldama could be a great fit (better salary fit than Tobias).

But a ball-dominant lead guard making 35% of the cap for 3 more years is just the wrong move.

[JRoy]

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[Knicks365247]

Detroit will beat Knicks 4-1 in the first round.

And then Thibs will get fired. You heard it here first!!!

[cgf]

What’s the deal with aldama? Is Memphis doing everything they can to keep him, and how much do we think he’s worth / he gets?

I think Memphis tries to dump Clarke (and Konchar) and keep aldama, unless Aldama gets a big offer in RFA

He is a good 3rd big. Worth more than the MLE. Low-end starter but still a starter quality.

Naz Reid tier player. Better than Obi Toppin.

Thanks, I was wondering if I under-rated him since he didn't seem like much of a difference-maker against us.

Back to hoping for Laravia or Tate with the tpMLE, and a Dadiet + WSH FRP for Hukporti-upgrade trade, I go

[cgf]

Detroit will beat Knicks 4-1 in the first round.

And then Thibs will get fired. You heard it here first!!!

It's not impossible, but if we're healthy, I like our chances. Detroit beat us without KAT the first time and on the 2nd night of a B2B after a very emotional beatdown of the Bucks the second time. Plus they didn't have to deal with Robinson protecting the rim in either one, and Thibs schooled Bickerstaff the last time they faced off in the playoffs.

Plenty of chances for this to change, but as long as Brunson recovers fully, it looks like we're getting healthy at the right time and should hit the playoffs with our full roster fit for the first time all year. And if we are healthy, I’m only scared of the top 3…despite respecting Indy, Detroit, Denver, Minny, etc.

[jayjaysee]

So.. Philly keeps their pick?

Beal to Dallas
PG to Phoenix
Gafford, Klay, Naji, Hardy, Powell to Philly
Martin to a fourth team

Probably Powell and or Hardy to a fifth team to save Philly some money, but that’s details. Would love a way to keep Naji (or Martin) out of it, but assume you keep PJ here and figure out the wing depth at the draft / vet mins. Not the best plan but there’s some decent wings projected to be drafted in the early teens..

What does Dallas get in that model? Or is it not worth exploring?

Beal’s NTC isn’t really a big deal for a team with two other 32 year olds and no picks.

Beal should be happy, Dallas is a nice city? Some great neighborhoods/suburbs. Two stars to decline with.