PG: Thibs B Gone

[mpharris36]

Brunson one of his career worse shooting from 3
OG his career worse shooting from 3
Mikal his career worse shooting from 3

if it was one guy maybe I would get that but the whole team is struggling finding good looks...maybe that would signal we have an offensive scheme problem?

Factor that with also playing +40 minutes early in the year to chase wins...and this is where you wind up. tired legs and bad shot selection. The offense has been bad for a minute even when Brunson was healthy we were struggling.

[god shammgod]

which considering after a season they lost both there big men...ihart out of there control (and you see what he's doing in OKC) and Mitch basically the entire season due to injury its actually not bad.

crazy to actually think where they would be by losing both big men (out of there control) and made no moves. Play-in territory?

I'm not even going to bring up my issues with Thibs in this discussion. But they lost there entire identity and big man rotation. I think you are understating how difficult it was going to win with losing both Ihart/Mitch. And now they are struggling with you guessed it there best player injured.

it is bad. because now you don't have any easy avenues to improve. yes, they would have been better off taking a step back this year if they had to. sometimes you have to do things like that because you know it's better for the future.

you do...you can easily move contracts if it gets really bad. KAT an all-star starter is now unmovable? Mikal a two way wing (which are always in high demand) on a good contract unmovable?

come on now.

They aren't going to break it up this offseason...the first thing to go will be the coach since he's seriously struggling to adjust and get the most out of this roster...but this idea we are stuck is comical. They had deadline on some contracts that were coming up...that is where you would get stuck if you didn't act soon and lose guys for nothing.

Ultimately this team will be judged in the playoffs...no one really cares about these losses its just a talking point right now. If they underperform in playoffs thibs will be gone...if they underperform the following year then roster changes will be made. That is just how it works.

we're stuck from being able to get another star here. yes. you're not getting giannis for kat. you can probably get durant who probably has 1 good year left in him. yay. lol

unless you're still lying to yourself that a brunson/kat duo is gonna be ever good enough to win a championship. it's not. no coach can change that.

[mpharris36]

it is bad. because now you don't have any easy avenues to improve. yes, they would have been better off taking a step back this year if they had to. sometimes you have to do things like that because you know it's better for the future.

you do...you can easily move contracts if it gets really bad. KAT an all-star starter is now unmovable? Mikal a two way wing (which are always in high demand) on a good contract unmovable?

come on now.

They aren't going to break it up this offseason...the first thing to go will be the coach since he's seriously struggling to adjust and get the most out of this roster...but this idea we are stuck is comical. They had deadline on some contracts that were coming up...that is where you would get stuck if you didn't act soon and lose guys for nothing.

Ultimately this team will be judged in the playoffs...no one really cares about these losses its just a talking point right now. If they underperform in playoffs thibs will be gone...if they underperform the following year then roster changes will be made. That is just how it works.

we're stuck from being able to get another star here. yes. you're not getting giannis for kat. you can probably get durant who probably has 1 good year left in him. yay. lol

unless you're still lying to yourself that a brunson/kat duo is gonna be ever good enough to win a championship. it's not. no coach can change that.

You also weren't getting Giannis for our 5 picks and Randle either (you know how many teams could top that offer). Stop overrating those picks.

[3toheadmelo]

we have a lot of problems that are well documented (Thibs, defense, no bench), but no one ever talks about the fact that we don't have wings that can shoot. Not one of OG, Mikal, Josh, Shamet or Achiuwa is shooting above 36% from three. How is that possible?

there's so many problems with this roster. the lack of shot creation outside of brunson. lack of consistent outside shooting. the lack of a bench. multiple really bad defenders starting at the same time. no rim protection. not great at rebounding because we start a somewhat small lineup that gets bullied. it's a roster that was put together badly.

I said it since day 1 this is the 2014 Knicks. Ruined the roster and identity this team had after a really good year.

[robillionaire]

Brunson one of his career worse shooting from 3
OG his career worse shooting from 3
Mikal his career worse shooting from 3

if it was one guy maybe I would get that but the whole team is struggling finding good looks...maybe that would signal we have an offensive scheme problem?

Factor that with also playing +40 minutes early in the year to chase wins...and this is where you wind up. tired legs and bad shot selection. The offense has been bad for a minute even when Brunson was healthy we were struggling.

I think their looks are great they just don’t make open shots. Towns is managing to shoot 43%. Deuce is shooting over his career average. Some of these guys just refuse to make open shots. Or in many cases refuse to even attempt open shots

[3toheadmelo]

you do...you can easily move contracts if it gets really bad. KAT an all-star starter is now unmovable? Mikal a two way wing (which are always in high demand) on a good contract unmovable?

come on now.

They aren't going to break it up this offseason...the first thing to go will be the coach since he's seriously struggling to adjust and get the most out of this roster...but this idea we are stuck is comical. They had deadline on some contracts that were coming up...that is where you would get stuck if you didn't act soon and lose guys for nothing.

Ultimately this team will be judged in the playoffs...no one really cares about these losses its just a talking point right now. If they underperform in playoffs thibs will be gone...if they underperform the following year then roster changes will be made. That is just how it works.

we're stuck from being able to get another star here. yes. you're not getting giannis for kat. you can probably get durant who probably has 1 good year left in him. yay. lol

unless you're still lying to yourself that a brunson/kat duo is gonna be ever good enough to win a championship. it's not. no coach can change that.

You also weren't getting Giannis for our 5 picks and Randle either (you know how many teams could top that offer). Stop overrating those picks.

I don’t think you realize how valuable picks are. We could’ve gotten Donovan Mitchell with less than what we gave up Mikal for. Teams want picks. Instead we gave up a superstar haul for a mid role player.

[mpharris36]

Brunson one of his career worse shooting from 3
OG his career worse shooting from 3
Mikal his career worse shooting from 3

if it was one guy maybe I would get that but the whole team is struggling finding good looks...maybe that would signal we have an offensive scheme problem?

Factor that with also playing +40 minutes early in the year to chase wins...and this is where you wind up. tired legs and bad shot selection. The offense has been bad for a minute even when Brunson was healthy we were struggling.

I think their looks are great they just don’t make open shots. Towns is managing to shoot 43%. Deuce is shooting over his career average. Some of these guys just refuse to make open shots.

nah...deuce is having a horrible shooting season. his 36% career number is weighted by those terrible sub 30 seasons which he isn't that kind of play.

37% for mcbride when he was a 41% shooter last year is suggesting he is having a bad year shooting.

KAT is the only one that is having a good shooting season...you want to know why? Because teams know we like to hunt corner 3's and KAT's the only one really EFF from ATB 3's...but we don't run any movement offense. Teams and coaches know exactly what we are trying to do because our offense is so vanilla.

[god shammgod]

you do...you can easily move contracts if it gets really bad. KAT an all-star starter is now unmovable? Mikal a two way wing (which are always in high demand) on a good contract unmovable?

come on now.

They aren't going to break it up this offseason...the first thing to go will be the coach since he's seriously struggling to adjust and get the most out of this roster...but this idea we are stuck is comical. They had deadline on some contracts that were coming up...that is where you would get stuck if you didn't act soon and lose guys for nothing.

Ultimately this team will be judged in the playoffs...no one really cares about these losses its just a talking point right now. If they underperform in playoffs thibs will be gone...if they underperform the following year then roster changes will be made. That is just how it works.

we're stuck from being able to get another star here. yes. you're not getting giannis for kat. you can probably get durant who probably has 1 good year left in him. yay. lol

unless you're still lying to yourself that a brunson/kat duo is gonna be ever good enough to win a championship. it's not. no coach can change that.

You also weren't getting Giannis for our 5 picks and Randle either (you know how many teams could top that offer). Stop overrating those picks.

guys go where they want to go. if giannis wanted to come here. he'd get here if you could at least put together a competitive offer. now we can't

and if you can't get him, that's fine too. wait for someone else. and if nobody ever comes at least you have your picks. because it's pointless to go all in on a roster that aint really a contender just because you got impatient.

[mpharris36]

we're stuck from being able to get another star here. yes. you're not getting giannis for kat. you can probably get durant who probably has 1 good year left in him. yay. lol

unless you're still lying to yourself that a brunson/kat duo is gonna be ever good enough to win a championship. it's not. no coach can change that.

You also weren't getting Giannis for our 5 picks and Randle either (you know how many teams could top that offer). Stop overrating those picks.

I don’t think you realize how valuable picks are. We could’ve gotten Donovan Mitchell with less than what we gave up Mikal for. Teams want picks. Instead we gave up a superstar haul for a mid role player.

I don't agree Woj reported they wanted RJ and Grimes + 3 unprotected picks (and they were going to be our later picks) not the 2025 picks we gave up that aren't valuable. Knicks were willing to give up IQ in the deal and RJ and IQ netted OG by themselves which TOR was turning down 3 1st round picks to give.

So do the math 3 1st rounders value on OG and they wanted 3 1st rounders on top of that and that is 6 1st rounders for Mitchell.

[god shammgod]

guys can't shoot...thibs
guys can't defend...thibs
guys can't dribble without tripping over their own feet....thibs

this is not analysis. lol

[Jalen Bluntson]

Y’all finally caught up to fire Thibs. Welcome to the party.

Did not really watch the full games you can just see the Knicks not playing with energy or doing anything different. Maybe their bodies legit can’t take it haha.

Where is the we have the best record in years guy? Y’all gotta stop refuting people point for your agenda and listen. Now that it’s caught up, people want to talk about it. Smh

I have have wanted Thibs fired but, I have also touted our record. My point was that we are winning on talent in spite of the coaching. I also feel we should have won at least 5 more games and I am being kind there. The coaching has been terrible. The reasons have been pointed out to death by many posters over the years. Everything about him was true. All the reasons I didn't like the hire to begin with were true. I cannot fathom trying to watch another season hating the things he does as much as I do now. I can't really say I am interested in watching the rest of this season play out but, I will drag myself through it. Losing Brunson was my worst fear and it has happened. This is going to be an ugly finish to the season.

[mpharris36]

we're stuck from being able to get another star here. yes. you're not getting giannis for kat. you can probably get durant who probably has 1 good year left in him. yay. lol

unless you're still lying to yourself that a brunson/kat duo is gonna be ever good enough to win a championship. it's not. no coach can change that.

You also weren't getting Giannis for our 5 picks and Randle either (you know how many teams could top that offer). Stop overrating those picks.

guys go where they want to go. if giannis wanted to come here. he'd get here if you could at least put together a competitive offer. now we can't

and if you can't get him, that's fine too. wait for someone else. and if nobody ever comes at least you have your picks. because it's pointless to go all in on a roster that aint really a contender just because you got impatient.

then you not understanding the CBA...you just can't wait...if you don't turn expiring deals into continues contracts you lose players like you did with Ihart and then not able to bring them back. CBA basically requires action to roll over contracts or you lose them. You can't wait anymore as an over the cap team.

and if you wait and have your picks then we continue to pick Pacome Dadiets and see thibs not play them...fun times!

[Jalen Bluntson]

guys can't shoot...thibs
guys can't defend...thibs
guys can't dribble without tripping over their own feet....thibs

this is not analysis. lol

No

[robillionaire]

it is bad. because now you don't have any easy avenues to improve. yes, they would have been better off taking a step back this year if they had to. sometimes you have to do things like that because you know it's better for the future.

you do...you can easily move contracts if it gets really bad. KAT an all-star starter is now unmovable? Mikal a two way wing (which are always in high demand) on a good contract unmovable?

come on now.

They aren't going to break it up this offseason...the first thing to go will be the coach since he's seriously struggling to adjust and get the most out of this roster...but this idea we are stuck is comical. They had deadline on some contracts that were coming up...that is where you would get stuck if you didn't act soon and lose guys for nothing.

Ultimately this team will be judged in the playoffs...no one really cares about these losses its just a talking point right now. If they underperform in playoffs thibs will be gone...if they underperform the following year then roster changes will be made. That is just how it works.

we're stuck from being able to get another star here. yes. you're not getting giannis for kat. you can probably get durant who probably has 1 good year left in him. yay. lol

unless you're still lying to yourself that a brunson/kat duo is gonna be ever good enough to win a championship. it's not. no coach can change that.

I think they can be. Brunson isn’t even playing in these games so we can’t hold that as an example and their record together is very good. You probably need the right set of players around them to really get over the top. But we don’t have that. OG has been pretty solid but is doing too much on offense right now due to lack of options. Mikal has been a colossal disappointment. Hart is probably a bench player masquerading as a starter. Our bigs have been bad or injured. And the bench is basically a giant useless zero. So at the very least they need to address some of that, changing the coach isn’t going to solve the roster

[3toheadmelo]

You also weren't getting Giannis for our 5 picks and Randle either (you know how many teams could top that offer). Stop overrating those picks.

I don’t think you realize how valuable picks are. We could’ve gotten Donovan Mitchell with less than what we gave up Mikal for. Teams want picks. Instead we gave up a superstar haul for a mid role player.

I don't agree Woj reported they wanted RJ and Grimes + 3 unprotected picks (and they were going to be our later picks) not the 2025 picks we gave up that aren't valuable. Knicks were willing to give up IQ in the deal and RJ and IQ netted OG by themselves which TOR was turning down 3 1st round picks to give.

So do the math 3 1st rounders value on OG and they wanted 3 1st rounders on top of that and that is 6 1st rounders for Mitchell.

Huh? We gave up a bunch of later picks for Mikalikina.

unprotected 1st-round pick in 2029
unprotected 1st-round pick in 2031
unprotected pick swap in 2028

You only give up those picks if its for an absolute star,

RJ + Grimes or IQ and 3 first round picks for Donovan Mitchell is an absolute steal. It made no sense to turn that down and then give up a bigger haul for a much much worse player.

[3toheadmelo]

guys can't shoot...thibs
guys can't defend...thibs
guys can't dribble without tripping over their own feet....thibs

this is not analysis. lol

People don’t even talk ball anymore it’s just blaming Thibs for everything

[god shammgod]

You also weren't getting Giannis for our 5 picks and Randle either (you know how many teams could top that offer). Stop overrating those picks.

guys go where they want to go. if giannis wanted to come here. he'd get here if you could at least put together a competitive offer. now we can't

and if you can't get him, that's fine too. wait for someone else. and if nobody ever comes at least you have your picks. because it's pointless to go all in on a roster that aint really a contender just because you got impatient.

then you not understanding the CBA...you just can't wait...if you don't turn expiring deals into continues contracts you lose players like you did with Ihart and then not able to bring them back. CBA basically requires action to roll over contracts or you lose them. You can't wait anymore as an over the cap team.

nonsense. you can trade guys for other guys with slighter longer contracts and maintain flexibility until the right offer comes around.

[god shammgod]

guys can't shoot...thibs
guys can't defend...thibs
guys can't dribble without tripping over their own feet....thibs

this is not analysis. lol

People don’t even talk ball anymore it’s just blaming Thibs for everything

i have hardly been here this year and it's 9 out of every 10 posts since i've been back. i can't wait until they fire him just so i can stop reading it.

[mpharris36]

I don’t think you realize how valuable picks are. We could’ve gotten Donovan Mitchell with less than what we gave up Mikal for. Teams want picks. Instead we gave up a superstar haul for a mid role player.

I don't agree Woj reported they wanted RJ and Grimes + 3 unprotected picks (and they were going to be our later picks) not the 2025 picks we gave up that aren't valuable. Knicks were willing to give up IQ in the deal and RJ and IQ netted OG by themselves which TOR was turning down 3 1st round picks to give.

So do the math 3 1st rounders value on OG and they wanted 3 1st rounders on top of that and that is 6 1st rounders for Mitchell.

Huh? We gave up a bunch of later picks for Mikalikina.

unprotected 1st-round pick in 2029
unprotected 1st-round pick in 2031
unprotected pick swap in 2028

You only give up those picks if its for an absolute star,

RJ + Grimes and 3 first round picks for Donovan Mitchell is an absolute steal. It made no sense to turn that down and then give up a bigger haul for a much much worse player.

Woj said they Knicks at the time valued Grimes more than IQ...IQ and RJ was valued at 3 1st round picks because we got OG for those two. And TOR was requiring 3 1st round picks to move OG which was reported.

Thats is 6 1st round picks. And the yes we gave up some late 1st for Mikal...we also gave up a couple nothing firsts like our 2025 and MIL 2025. I'm not having this convo again...we agree to disagree. I can argue we would be in the same position with Brunson and Mitchell as our 1-2...BOS would just get Brunson or Mitchell on switches with there bigger wings and take us apart. We tried to combat that with defensive wings like OG and Mikal...I can't blame them for trying.

I still would like to see this roster with a modern coach before I panic and want to get rid of everyone.

[mpharris36]

guys go where they want to go. if giannis wanted to come here. he'd get here if you could at least put together a competitive offer. now we can't

and if you can't get him, that's fine too. wait for someone else. and if nobody ever comes at least you have your picks. because it's pointless to go all in on a roster that aint really a contender just because you got impatient.

then you not understanding the CBA...you just can't wait...if you don't turn expiring deals into continues contracts you lose players like you did with Ihart and then not able to bring them back. CBA basically requires action to roll over contracts or you lose them. You can't wait anymore as an over the cap team.

nonsense. you can trade guys for other guys with slighter longer contracts and maintain flexibility until the right offer comes around.

so trade for worse players during Brunson prime? They admitted they weren't willing to take a step back because they wanted to try and cash in on Brunsons prime and contract situation. Did you want to start really going for it when Brunson was 30 years old?