PG: Thibs B Gone

[spree8]

That replacing him wasn't a magic bullet because Derrick Rose actually couldn't handle a bigger load than he had.

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oh wait so you just expect to make changes in the middle of a playoff series and they immediately pay off?

crazy I thought this was a video game where you can just put a new guy in and they play well. Um how about you recognize during the season that Payton was horrible...start trying out new starting lineups and see if someone works so that you have time to actually work with the new group instead of pulling the plug in the middle of a playoff series.

Its like you guys have a built in excuse for thibs for everything.

IQ played less than 20 minutes a game that year...he could have worked him into a more prominent role but he was a rookie and thibs is stubborn.

I also contend Frank would have been able to help us more that year since he was hitting his 3 ball but not trying to derail

How do you justify having a guy start the entire year than justify basically pulling the plug on him in the playoffs...that is absolute comedy to try to defend that.

Thibs gave in to the fans complaints. That's what happened. Fans don't know chit, though.

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Thibs doesn’t give in to anyone’s complaints, not even Dolan’s

[JayTWill]

Is it possible that the team is not a championship contender with or without Thibs but they still need to move on from Thibs since he is not maximizing the current team or helping to develop the players for the future? What is the point of keeping Thibs around? To grind the players down so we are sitting here with a bunch of expensive broken down vets and underdeveloped youth? What are the positives of keeping Thibs?

[Gravy]

Because it's easier to think there is a quick fix. New York impatience.

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Remember when we blamed Woodson's schemes for not making Bargs, JR Smith and Felton into a championship team. Everyone was so happy he was fired like he was holding them back lol

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I been saying this is the 2014 Knicks all over again

Wait, I wouldnt go that far, this team has Brunson

[Capn'O]

Udonis Haslem wasn’t lying

It's easy to squawk when your rival's best player goes down. **** him.

Well that was part of his analysis. He said if Brunson doesn’t come back. Unless I heard wrong

Totally bangin' analysis. Team without best player won't play as well. Details at 11.

[3toheadmelo]

Remember when we blamed Woodson's schemes for not making Bargs, JR Smith and Felton into a championship team. Everyone was so happy he was fired like he was holding them back lol

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I been saying this is the 2014 Knicks all over again

Wait, I wouldnt go that far, this team has Brunson

That team had Prime Melo too lol

[Gravy]

Is it possible that the team is not a championship contender with or without Thibs but they still need to move on from Thibs since he is not maximizing the current team or helping to develop the players for the future? What is the point of keeping Thibs around? To grind the players down so we are sitting here with a bunch of expensive broken down vets and underdeveloped youth? What are the positives of keeping Thibs?

We finally get a coach that is able to drag this wretched franchise out of 20 years of being a laughingstock and we want to get rid of him because he cant work miracles to turn this extremely flawed roster into a championship team. Remember the long line of young players all the previous coaches developed into stars like Jerian Grant, Landry Fields and Renaldo Balkman..

[HEZI]

Is it possible that the team is not a championship contender with or without Thibs but they still need to move on from Thibs since he is not maximizing the current team or helping to develop the players for the future? What is the point of keeping Thibs around? To grind the players down so we are sitting here with a bunch of expensive broken down vets and underdeveloped youth? What are the positives of keeping Thibs?

This is so false. How many “for the first time in franchise history” or “for the first time in x amount of years” have we gotten out of this group this season? Whether individual or team accomplishments there’s been a bunch of things this group has done that hasn’t been done for a long time in franchise history. They are obviously being maxed out. I’m not sure what else you are looking for out of a group that isn’t a contender. You can’t say they aren’t a contender then at the same time expect contender like results. Otherwise they would be a contender.

And if development was really a priority then the front office shouldn’t have punted on so many draft picks. First of all there is a league for development, it’s literally called the development league aka DLeague aka the GLeague. That’s where you can develop your rookies who need it and aren’t ready.

What are the positives of keeping this team? If you come to terms they aren’t contender why are you focusing on the coach instead of asking for actual roster changes? If you know the roster isn’t good enough then what’s the point of it? What are the positives?

[robillionaire]

This is all shorthand for “if Brunson doesn’t come back(at 100%) because clearly it’s a night and day difference of what this team is with him gone. Plus the drop off from him to our backup guards (deuce isn’t even a real PG and scam Payne) is insane. And please nobody bring up the rookie g leaguer like he’s gonna save the season

thank you. whole board clamoring for this poor man's jimmer fredette ass motherf*cker every game like that's the answer.

I guess you speaking of Tyler Kolek here? I don't think anybody is really w/o trolling saying that he is the saviour or anything, but let me ask you this:
Why draft an older guy and sign him to a long term deal above the minimum for 2nd round picks if you don't even give him a few minutes with Brunson out and Payne struggling af? why aren't you signing a guy to the minimum(like Hukportis deadl) and get further under the second apron if you are not playing him anyway?

There’s no way he’s benching Mikal’s friends for Kolek I don’t care how bad they play

“ “I think [Thibodeau is] not arguing about it. Sometimes I think he just gets in his ways and he gets locked in. He just wants to keep the guy out there,” Bridges told Bondy. “Sometimes you’ve got to tell him, like Landry (Shamet), for example or somebody, keep him out there, they’re playing well.”

So not only does Thibs gravitate toward vets anyway but mikal wants his long time friends Payne and Shamet to play more, make no mistake nobody on this team is going to bat for Kolek. Well we got 19 minutes of that dogshittu yesterday from Shamet and it was 0 pts 0 rebs and 0 ast

[robillionaire]

Is it possible that the team is not a championship contender with or without Thibs but they still need to move on from Thibs since he is not maximizing the current team or helping to develop the players for the future? What is the point of keeping Thibs around? To grind the players down so we are sitting here with a bunch of expensive broken down vets and underdeveloped youth? What are the positives of keeping Thibs?

This is so false. How many “for the first time in franchise history” or “for the first time in x amount of years” have we gotten out of this group this season? Whether individual or team accomplishments there’s been a bunch of things this group has done that hasn’t been done for a long time in franchise history. They are obviously being maxed out. I’m not sure what else you are looking for out of a group that isn’t a contender. You can’t say they aren’t a contender then at the same time expect contender like results. Otherwise they would be a contender.

And if development was really a priority then the front office shouldn’t have punted on so many draft picks. First of all there is a league for development, it’s literally called the development league aka DLeague aka the GLeague. That’s where you can develop your rookies who need it and aren’t ready.

What are the positives of keeping this team? If you come to terms they aren’t contender why are you focusing on the coach instead of asking for actual roster changes? If you know the roster isn’t good enough then what’s the point of it? What are the positives?

You can do both. Try a new coach but combine that with at least some tweaks. Specifically making the bench be not the worst in the nba

[Jay10]

oh wait so you just expect to make changes in the middle of a playoff series and they immediately pay off?

crazy I thought this was a video game where you can just put a new guy in and they play well. Um how about you recognize during the season that Payton was horrible...start trying out new starting lineups and see if someone works so that you have time to actually work with the new group instead of pulling the plug in the middle of a playoff series.

Its like you guys have a built in excuse for thibs for everything.

IQ played less than 20 minutes a game that year...he could have worked him into a more prominent role but he was a rookie and thibs is stubborn.

I also contend Frank would have been able to help us more that year since he was hitting his 3 ball but not trying to derail

How do you justify having a guy start the entire year than justify basically pulling the plug on him in the playoffs...that is absolute comedy to try to defend that.

Thibs gave in to the fans complaints. That's what happened. Fans don't know chit, though.

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Thibs doesn’t give in to anyone’s complaints, not even Dolan’s

He doesn't even give in the player that said he's playing the starters too many minutes, and that player has the leverage to get him replaced at the end of seeason because of what the front office had to give up to get him.

[HEZI]

Is it possible that the team is not a championship contender with or without Thibs but they still need to move on from Thibs since he is not maximizing the current team or helping to develop the players for the future? What is the point of keeping Thibs around? To grind the players down so we are sitting here with a bunch of expensive broken down vets and underdeveloped youth? What are the positives of keeping Thibs?

This is so false. How many “for the first time in franchise history” or “for the first time in x amount of years” have we gotten out of this group this season? Whether individual or team accomplishments there’s been a bunch of things this group has done that hasn’t been done for a long time in franchise history. They are obviously being maxed out. I’m not sure what else you are looking for out of a group that isn’t a contender. You can’t say they aren’t a contender then at the same time expect contender like results. Otherwise they would be a contender.

And if development was really a priority then the front office shouldn’t have punted on so many draft picks. First of all there is a league for development, it’s literally called the development league aka DLeague aka the GLeague. That’s where you can develop your rookies who need it and aren’t ready.

What are the positives of keeping this team? If you come to terms they aren’t contender why are you focusing on the coach instead of asking for actual roster changes? If you know the roster isn’t good enough then what’s the point of it? What are the positives?

You can do both. Try a new coach but combine that with at least some tweaks. Specifically making the bench be not the worst in the nba

You can do both but unfortunately the issues are bigger than just the bench and decisions will have to be made with the starters because the actual core of the team isn’t it. That’s the hard part. Reconstructing the actual team will be the challenge. Fire and hire a coach is the easy part.

[Gravy]

I been saying this is the 2014 Knicks all over again

Wait, I wouldnt go that far, this team has Brunson

That team had Prime Melo too lol

They gave prime Melo a broken down Amare, washed vets, knucklehead JR Smith but the problem was Woodson switched too much and Melo did too much iso. The triangle and a young modern coach Derek Fisher would fix that.

[Jay10]

I knew Thibodeau would at some point be a problem when he had Frank sit every minute of a playoff game until the final possession of the game to defend Trae Young on the final possession.

Thibodeau makes no adjustments throughout games, and when it comes to substitutions he only plays bench players against bench players, and starters against starters.

Forced Quickley to be a point guard, when he was more productive getting his instead of having to make sure everyone got their points.

This man waited until Game 3 of the Playoffs to finally take Elfrid Payton out of the starting lineup.

[JayTWill]

Is it possible that the team is not a championship contender with or without Thibs but they still need to move on from Thibs since he is not maximizing the current team or helping to develop the players for the future? What is the point of keeping Thibs around? To grind the players down so we are sitting here with a bunch of expensive broken down vets and underdeveloped youth? What are the positives of keeping Thibs?

We finally get a coach that is able to drag this wretched franchise out of 20 years of being a laughingstock and we want to get rid of him because he cant work miracles to turn this extremely flawed roster into a championship team. Remember the long line of young players all the previous coaches developed into stars like Jerian Grant, Landry Fields and Renaldo Balkman..

So apparently this team is not good enough to compete this year and the bench is terrible but it also makes sense that out of all the rookies drafted and undrafted our young 1st round pick is 56th in total minutes and our 24 year old second round pick just cracked the top 50 in minutes.

I agree that is a flawed roster. What are they going to do now? Sell low on players once again? Wait for someone to come here for the vet min to be the next bench player Thibs isn't going to use? DDV or iHart type players aren't coming for the little bit of money the Knicks have to play for the leagues most disliked coach.

If the team isn't going anywhere this year why wouldn't you invest some time into the development of your young players that are under contract for multiple years? Performing better than the Knicks previous coaches is an incredibly low bar. I don't care about the past. Tell me how what is being done now makes sense or how they will improve things.

[robillionaire]

This is so false. How many “for the first time in franchise history” or “for the first time in x amount of years” have we gotten out of this group this season? Whether individual or team accomplishments there’s been a bunch of things this group has done that hasn’t been done for a long time in franchise history. They are obviously being maxed out. I’m not sure what else you are looking for out of a group that isn’t a contender. You can’t say they aren’t a contender then at the same time expect contender like results. Otherwise they would be a contender.

And if development was really a priority then the front office shouldn’t have punted on so many draft picks. First of all there is a league for development, it’s literally called the development league aka DLeague aka the GLeague. That’s where you can develop your rookies who need it and aren’t ready.

What are the positives of keeping this team? If you come to terms they aren’t contender why are you focusing on the coach instead of asking for actual roster changes? If you know the roster isn’t good enough then what’s the point of it? What are the positives?

You can do both. Try a new coach but combine that with at least some tweaks. Specifically making the bench be not the worst in the nba

You can do both but unfortunately the issues are bigger than just the bench and decisions will have to be made with the starters because the actual core of the team isn’t it. That’s the hard part. Reconstructing the actual team will be the challenge. Fire and hire a coach is the easy part.

Well I don’t think they’re ready to concede that yet. Especially not without at least trying some tweaks or a different coach. If that doesn’t solve anything then they will concede the core won’t work

[GettinitDone]

they bring in Delon Wright...he doesn't play

they sign PJ Tucker and Beauchamp on 10-days and they don't play

what is the point...Thibs only is comfortable playing "his" guys. 2-way guys get run all the time and contribute because they are playing for the lives...but nope they can't find 10 minutes for some of those guys

why even draft young guys when this **** refuses to play rookies.

It's universally accepted around the NBA and backed by Jaylen Brown that Bronny is NOT an NBA player...

Even SO, one of today's best coaches JJ played him 30 minutes today, and he produced (17 pts, 5 assists)

Yes the Lakers were resting Luka and Reeves etc, but if Thibs were the Lakers coach, he would have not played Bronny...

And Bronny did it vs a full strength (minus Dame) Bucks team

Look at what even NON NBA players can do if they just get playing time

You think Kolek, Pac, even Watson and McCullar are really worse than Bronny they can't get a minute??

No, the coach is LAZY he just doesn't want to manage substitutions

I can't anymore with this coach... RESIGN, STEP DOWN, FIRE HIM

It happens all the time around the league especially late in the season. A guy named Tristan Vukcevic just put up 17 and 8. Colby Jones just put up 24 pts the other day. Two guys from the raptors named Jared Rhoden and AJ Lawson have put up some big games. Jamal Shead a guy picked later than Kolek is now a 20 minute rotational player and contributing to the Raptors.

Nobody gets a shot on the Knicks...the only way for a guy to crack Thibs original lineup is through injury. He really is a problem and hopefully the FO sees how much he is holding this team back.

Its also not about wins its about bigger picture. If you play some of these guys you can see if they can stick or not. Maybe most of them flame out and not worth anything but maybe you find another Deuce McBride. We know what Cam Payne and Shamet and Precious bring...pretty much nothing...so why not just change things...shuffle the deck a little...especially when we are struggling and having a tough travel schedule and you can insert some fresh legs into the mix.

Well said

Some posters like Sham would say oh Deuce needed the development... my opinion? My ass lol Deuce was playing like **** in **** garbage mins years and even in the weeks before the IQ trade, and all of a sudden magically after the IQ trade, he got minutes and all of a sudden he could play, when just weeks before the trade he coudlN'T ??? NO, he just got the minutes, and I'm sure he didn't really need the 1st few years to "develop", if Thibs had just given him the rotational, consistent mins late his rookie year, or in his 2nd year, he would have shown "he could play"

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[GettinitDone]

Is it possible that the team is not a championship contender with or without Thibs but they still need to move on from Thibs since he is not maximizing the current team or helping to develop the players for the future? What is the point of keeping Thibs around? To grind the players down so we are sitting here with a bunch of expensive broken down vets and underdeveloped youth? What are the positives of keeping Thibs?

We finally get a coach that is able to drag this wretched franchise out of 20 years of being a laughingstock and we want to get rid of him because he cant work miracles to turn this extremely flawed roster into a championship team. Remember the long line of young players all the previous coaches developed into stars like Jerian Grant, Landry Fields and Renaldo Balkman..

Did you watch the game yesterday? The manner we lost was disturbing... we didn't put up a fight, we showed no resistance, no effort

It's not like we fought like hell and we lost. WE WEREN'T INTERESTED IN FIGHTING BACK, WE DIDN'T EVEN SHOW UP, LET ALONE SHOWING FIGHT

Did you watch, or are you just trolling???

[prophet_of_rage]

oh wait so you just expect to make changes in the middle of a playoff series and they immediately pay off?

crazy I thought this was a video game where you can just put a new guy in and they play well. Um how about you recognize during the season that Payton was horrible...start trying out new starting lineups and see if someone works so that you have time to actually work with the new group instead of pulling the plug in the middle of a playoff series.

Its like you guys have a built in excuse for thibs for everything.

IQ played less than 20 minutes a game that year...he could have worked him into a more prominent role but he was a rookie and thibs is stubborn.

I also contend Frank would have been able to help us more that year since he was hitting his 3 ball but not trying to derail

How do you justify having a guy start the entire year than justify basically pulling the plug on him in the playoffs...that is absolute comedy to try to defend that.

Thibs gave in to the fans complaints. That's what happened. Fans don't know chit, though.

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Thibs doesn’t give in to anyone’s complaints, not even Dolan’s

And yet he pulled Payton after a playoff win? Yes he does give in.

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[HEZI]

You can do both. Try a new coach but combine that with at least some tweaks. Specifically making the bench be not the worst in the nba

You can do both but unfortunately the issues are bigger than just the bench and decisions will have to be made with the starters because the actual core of the team isn’t it. That’s the hard part. Reconstructing the actual team will be the challenge. Fire and hire a coach is the easy part.

Well I don’t think they’re ready to concede that yet. Especially not without at least trying some tweaks or a different coach. If that doesn’t solve anything then they will concede the core won’t work

That’s kind of the general cycle yeah. Then eventually the president or GM finds himself next in line on the hot seat and we repeat the process all over again. I’m hoping to skip all those steps and just get to the bottom of it sooner rather than later.

[spree8]

Thibs gave in to the fans complaints. That's what happened. Fans don't know chit, though.

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Thibs doesn’t give in to anyone’s complaints, not even Dolan’s

And yet he pulled Payton after a playoff win? Yes he does give in.

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What evidence do you have to support that he caved to the fans and not just made the common sense move?

He doesn’t cave to players or ownership about minutes and doesn’t cave to management about who to play after they trade or sign players. So yea, that sounds kinda crazy