What happens with Randle?

[jayjaysee]

Just for fun?

Grant Williams, Okogie to Chicago
Jalen Smith and Jeffries to Minn
Randle to Charlotte

And you decide how the value gets paid to Chicago?

I’d go - Det first to Chicago and CLT’s early 2nds Minn? Seems like it’s still good for Charlotte that way?

Minn gets a third big locked up cheap for 2 years and gets to draft 3 times between 30-35.

I think chicago owes POR 1st here too or few 2nds

I think Grant Williams to Jalen calls for a real mid-first.

But maybe you’re right and I’m too low on post-injury Grant Williams (and pre injury)

Only makes Minn happier if they get more cheap contracts for the bench imo.

[shrink]

I feel like people have decided who Randle is, and have not paid attention to his rebirth the last couple months as point forward, the improved defense, and his willing to do whatever Chris Finch needs him to do. .

First the theory-- I think its fair for someone to put more stock in a long-term track record rather than a short run of play, right? Doesn't mean they are correct to do so, but I tend to be that guy. I don't overreact to slumps or hot streaks. If a player has had a pretty consistent level/style of play I tend to believe they are going to revert to the mean most of the time.

On to Randle, I would hope most posters already know he had point forward in his game. We've seen Randle do this before. I can't speak to isolating out his defense. Hard to know how good he is playing between Gobert and McDaniels who obviously can cover for a lot. That doesn't mean Randle hasn't been good, but I just don't know how I could know for sure.

I think both of these are fair, and I don’t think I worded my post very well.

I was trying to make a distinction between earlier posters who have used a common, thumbnail generalization of Randle like this.

He's a poor defender not a great passer likes to Pound The Rock too much and takes threes inefficiently x4.5 a game... in my opinion too high of a usage for his skill set

And to this guy’s credit, Randle resembled that often for the Knicks, even when he first arrived in Minnesota. But the role change altered what Randle will likely be for MIN going forward, and their likelihood to keep him. To me, this isn’t really a hot streak (though I used the win streak to encourage people to look more closely), this is a fundamental change in the way Randle’s skills are used, on a team that doesn’t need him to pound the rock, that’s motivated his defense, and improved his passing to more than just kick outs (and he wasn’t bad at that to begin with). I’m not saying he has never done this before, just that he is not that stereotype going forward if he stays with the Timberwolves.

[shrink]

I think Phoenix in an extend and trade is the best situation, built into whatever the KD trade ends up being.

I could see it. One of the things I mentioned when the Towns trade happened is that most NBA fans are not as sophisticated (nerdy?) as we are. When teams make trades for salary management concerns, they still need to disguise it as progress to most of the casual fans and even some ticket holders who spend their money to be entertained on a Friday night. Trading away a KAT or KD is a lot easier for the GM to sell to the media if it includes a guy with “Two time All NBA” Julius Randle’s résumé.

Just for fun?

Grant Williams, Okogie to Chicago
Jalen Smith and Jeffries to Minn
Randle to Charlotte

And you decide how the value gets paid to Chicago?

I’d go - Det first to Chicago and CLT’s early 2nds Minn? Seems like it’s still good for Charlotte that way?

Minn gets a third big locked up cheap for 2 years and gets to draft 3 times between 30-35.

That IS fun, and so are the follow up posters.

[SNPA]

Randle/McD for KD
KD for Randle/DDR/2 first from Sac
McD for DDR/2 firsts

[jscott]

Randle/McD for KD
KD for Randle/DDR/2 first from Sac
McD for DDR/2 firsts

Wolves kept McDaniels out of both the KD and Gobert talks. I don’t see them moving him now especially since his play has stepped up.

[Skybox]

Randle/McD for KD
KD for Randle/DDR/2 first from Sac
McD for DDR/2 firsts

Wolves kept McDaniels out of both the KD and Gobert talks. I don’t see them moving him now especially since his play has stepped up.

I don’t think PHX wants McD’s fat contract when they have Dunn on a rookie deal.

I think KD, even at his age, pulls a lot more than Randle value. Randle has always been good, sometimes very good, but often considered negative value or someone getting empty stats…I’m not THAT down on him, but I’d expect MIN to add DDV and maybe even Dillingham. Especially if the Edwards/Durant public recruiting picks up and that’s where KD wants to be…PHX, from all accounts, isn’t looking to rebuild and I can’t imagine they can move Beal, so players> picks.

[cgf]

He goes to Memphis and becomes a beloved allstar who plays a crucial role for that young team next to JJJ.

[babyjax13]

I don't love Randle, but I do think he is underrated. I think several teams would be happy to have him at something like 30-35 million per year. He's a second option on a playoff team, and maybe a third option on a true contender.

[ReggiesKnicks]

He goes to Memphis and becomes a beloved allstar who plays a crucial role for that young team next to JJJ.

And he is behind Ja/Bane/JJJ in the pecking order?

Or Memphis sends out Bane and gets Randle + Asset(s)?

An interesting idea is sending out Ja.

[cgf]

He goes to Memphis and becomes a beloved allstar who plays a crucial role for that young team next to JJJ.

And he is behind Ja/Bane/JJJ in the pecking order?

Or Memphis sends out Bane and gets Randle + Asset(s)?

An interesting idea is sending out Ja.

Sending out Ja is the fun version, but I think that heriarchy behind Ja is very fluid and Randle's playmaking would fit nicely with JJJ & Bane's off-ball games. So even if he was technically 3rd or 4th in shots/scoring, I suspect he'd have the ball in his hands more than JJJ & Bane.

[basketballwacko2]

In the offseason he can:
- Opt in and stay a Wolves player
- Opt in for a strade to another team
- Opt out and hit FA looking for capspace
- Opt out and re-sign with Wolves


What are we thinking?

His numbers are down this season, he has the option for a $30.9 million pay check. If he opts out there is only 1 or 2 teams with Space who could sign him out right or he could resign a longer deal with the TWolves. I don't know that he will get any offers for more money per year but I'd think he might get $25 million for 4 years with raises. He might get a 1+1 with Minn for the same money with a player option for 2026-27. Would Minn do that and then try to move him at the deadline? IF that's even legal.

[basketballwacko2]

KD/Dunn/Oso WOLVES..
DDV/Edwards/KD/Naz/Gobert
Conley/Clark/Shannon/Dunn/Oso

Randle/McDaniels/Claxton SUNS
They come out of taxes and use their MLE in a PG..(Dlo?)

FA/Booker/McDaniels/Randle/Claxton
Allen/Royce/Richards

Beal/Dillingham/2 FRP(by SUNS) ..NETS

You should explain this a bit better you have Beal and Dillingham and 2 FRP's to the Nets for Claxton?? Then Claxton going to the Suns with Randle and McD?

It would be good if you broke this out better.

[Snakebites]

He goes to Memphis and becomes a beloved allstar who plays a crucial role for that young team next to JJJ.

And he is behind Ja/Bane/JJJ in the pecking order?

Or Memphis sends out Bane and gets Randle + Asset(s)?

An interesting idea is sending out Ja.

Not sure that was a serious prediction, looks like he was just saying “hey, this reminds me of Zach Randolph”, who found new life in his career in Memphis after being banished from the Knicks.

[winforlose]

So Randle is turning 31 next season. He has missed real time both this season and last season. The shoulder injury last January cost him 36 games in 23/24. My guess is that Randle would be concerned about getting injured next year as well. To that end, Randle opting in carries a ton of risk. If he gets hurt without a deal in 26/27 he could lose a lot of money not only in 26/27, but also in 27/28. Not to mention being 2 years older when negotiating his next big contract, which could cost him even more later. I don’t see Randle wanting to take that much risk.

If you assume Randle would be willing to opt out to take a pay cut to sign a longer deal, the next question is for how much and how long? I could see 3 years 75. The next question is whether Randle is willing to be a 6th man? Naz Reid is the future of the Wolves. The fans will not tolerate losing both KAT and Naz for Randle. It would damage revenue at a time new ownership is seeking to expand the fanbase. Therefore I could see Randle being traded either as a sign and trade, or inking a new deal and being traded mid season, unless of course he is willing to come off the bench.

I don’t know that many teams will want to start him, and I don’t know that Randle will fit with most modern teams (not shooting well from deep is an issue for PFs.) Randle’s lack of demand will limit his bargaining power and thus will cost him both money and status.

[cgf]

He goes to Memphis and becomes a beloved allstar who plays a crucial role for that young team next to JJJ.

And he is behind Ja/Bane/JJJ in the pecking order?

Or Memphis sends out Bane and gets Randle + Asset(s)?

An interesting idea is sending out Ja.

Not sure that was a serious prediction, looks like he was just saying “hey, this reminds me of Zach Randolph”, who found new life in his career in Memphis after being banished from the Knicks.

It's a "little of column A" situation, where I think Julius would get recognized more in Memphis...and I genuinely think he'd be a great fit next to JJJ & Bane.

[theBigLip]

I think Randle states that he’ll opt in. That way he gets paid big money and with an ever rising cap, might still get another good contract afterwards.

Minnesota may come to him and want to save some money next year and give him a 3 year deal at 20-25 range.

If not, then he’s a big expiring next year and probably gets moved.

[cgf]

I think Randle states that he’ll opt in. That way he gets paid big money and with an ever rising cap, might still get another good contract afterwards.

Minnesota may come to him and want to save some money next year and give him a 3 year deal at 20-25 range.

If not, then he’s a big expiring next year and probably gets moved.

Man if Ju would take a 3 year 20-25M per deal and we could bring in that much money, I'd love to have him back in New York

Towns - Randle lineups might get murdered defensively...even if they had all 3 of McBride / Bridges / Anunoby shielding them...but man would those two bigs be fun to watch playing off one another offensively while Brunson is resting. Plus it would be nice to be able to keep one of them out there any time Jalen steps onto the court.