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Re: ATL - One Month To The Playoffs 

Post#41 » by Profound23 » Sun Mar 23, 2025 12:31 pm

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BUCKnation wrote:Crazy scoreline in that one. Breakout game maybe for buzelis

Giddey had a near quad double with a 15/10/17 line with 8 steals

PP is proud. He'd look way better with us than Kuzma has.


Yeah, if not for his off the court stuff I think he would've been a good acquisition. That's hard to overlook though. Especially when you have Haslem who already employs Watson.
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Re: ATL - One Month To The Playoffs 

Post#42 » by MickeyDavis » Sun Mar 23, 2025 1:18 pm

4 weeks until the playoffs. The dog days of the season. And then 2 months of playoffs.
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Re: ATL - One Month To The Playoffs 

Post#43 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Mar 23, 2025 1:33 pm

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BUCKnation wrote:Crazy scoreline in that one. Breakout game maybe for buzelis

Giddey had a near quad double with a 15/10/17 line with 8 steals

PP is proud. He'd look way better with us than Kuzma has.


Yeah, if not for his off the court stuff I think he would've been a good acquisition. That's hard to overlook though. Especially when you have Haslem who already employs Watson.


It's the no defense and playoff choker that would have made him a poor acquisition.
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Re: ATL - One Month To The Playoffs 

Post#44 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Mar 23, 2025 1:37 pm

Profound23 wrote:Marcus Smart has been more impactful for the Wiz than any other newly acquired player WHEN HE PLAYS.

Every time I watch him, Smart looks like a lockdown defender again and scores 15-17 points. Of course then he usually misses a few games in a row after that. Maybe it's because he's playing too well and they're tanking.


Middleton has been twice as impactful. They have a winning record when Mids plays, and are one of the worst teams of all time when he doesn't.
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Re: ATL - One Month To The Playoffs 

Post#45 » by JayMKE » Sun Mar 23, 2025 2:04 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:4 weeks until the playoffs. The dog days of the season. And then 2 months of playoffs.


Still got over a week until playoff race really starts
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Re: ATL - One Month To The Playoffs 

Post#46 » by Profound23 » Sun Mar 23, 2025 2:19 pm

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Profound23 wrote:Marcus Smart has been more impactful for the Wiz than any other newly acquired player WHEN HE PLAYS.

Every time I watch him, Smart looks like a lockdown defender again and scores 15-17 points. Of course then he usually misses a few games in a row after that. Maybe it's because he's playing too well and they're tanking.


Middleton has been twice as impactful. They have a winning record when Mids plays, and are one of the worst teams of all time when he doesn't.



Middleton's last 6 games played :
vs Orlando 9pts on 3/13 shooting, 3 rebounds, 0 assists, 1 steal, 2 turnovers (+/- of -25)
vs Portland 4pts, 2/3 shooting, 3 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 turnovers (+/- of -5)
vs Nuggets 10 pts, 4/10 shooting, 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal (+/- of -6)
vs Pistons 16 pts, 6/13 shooting, 7 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals, 1 turnover (+/- of +2)
vs Pistons 8 pts, 3/9 shooting, 3 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 2 turnovers (+/- of -18)
vs Raptors 12 pts, 4/9 shooting, 3 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 2 turnovers (+/- of +7)

0 blocks in any of these games

Marcus Smart last 6 games played:
vs Knicks 17 pts, 6/11 shooting, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 2 turnovers (+/- of +3)
vs Jazz 0 pts, 0/6 shooting, 0 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 1 turnover (+/- of -11)
vs Pistons 15 pts, 5/13 shooting, 4 rebounds, 7 assists, 1 steal, 1 turnover (+/- of -7)
vs Pistons 16 pts, 6/10 shooting, 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 0 steals, 1 block, 1 turnover (+/- of +3)
vs Raptors 9 pts, 2/7 shooting, 1 rebound, 4 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 0 turnovers (+/- of +2)
vs Jazz 13 pts, 4/9 shooting, 4 rebounds, 5 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 0 turnovers (+/- of -5)



Stats are pretty close but I would lean toward Smart being more impactful. Also, if you watch the games Smart was usually guarding the other team's best (or fastest) players while Middleton guards the slowest player. So while Smart is switching between Cade Cunningham and Michael Beasley, Middleton is getting beat by Tobias Harris. Or while Smart is switching between Jamaal Murray and Westbrook, Middleton is guarding MPJ or Nnaji. Saying either player is "twice as impactful" as the other just shows bias because either way it is close. The wins aren't "thanks to Middleton." Last win was against Nuggets and that's because Sarr abused Jokic on defense along with George and Champagnie (13 rebounds) stepping it up. Win before that versus the Pistons, Cade was lighting them up but Smart got some stops on him and Beasley late which helped with the victory. Two other wins were against two of the worst teams in the NBA (Raptors and Jazz) one of which Jordan Poole couldn't miss a shot. I feel like some of you don't even watch these games and just like to cherry pick to glorify Middleton who has missed 3/8 games. Neither Smart or Middleton can stay healthy which is why they both were practically given to Washington.
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Re: ATL - One Month To The Playoff 

Post#47 » by paulpressey25 » Sun Mar 23, 2025 2:29 pm

BUCKnation wrote:Crazy scoreline in that one. Breakout game maybe for buzelis

Giddey had a near quad double with a 15/10/17 line with 8 steals


17 assists. Damn. Good thing the Bucks don’t need a guy who can keep the ball in motion on offense.

What would have made that trade idea so great is we could have potentially had OKC use their cap space to absorb salary. So no 2nd apron although we’d need to pay Giddey this offseason.

Totally understand the flack I took for even tossing the idea out. At the same time, the idea wasn’t that stupid. Giddey is only 22 years old and he’s the closest thing I’ve seen to Kukoc. He’s improved every year he’s been in the league.
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Re: ATL - One Month To The Playoffs 

Post#48 » by Bucksmaniac » Sun Mar 23, 2025 2:39 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Profound23 wrote:Marcus Smart has been more impactful for the Wiz than any other newly acquired player WHEN HE PLAYS.

Every time I watch him, Smart looks like a lockdown defender again and scores 15-17 points. Of course then he usually misses a few games in a row after that. Maybe it's because he's playing too well and they're tanking.


Middleton has been twice as impactful. They have a winning record when Mids plays, and are one of the worst teams of all time when he doesn't.


Yet when he’s played in the month of March the Wizards have been outscored by 36 points, about 3-4 points per game, when he’s been on the floor. Not as positively impactful by your preferred +/- figures.
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Re: ATL - One Month To The Playoffs 

Post#49 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Mar 23, 2025 2:43 pm

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ShootingtheJ wrote:
Profound23 wrote:Marcus Smart has been more impactful for the Wiz than any other newly acquired player WHEN HE PLAYS.

Every time I watch him, Smart looks like a lockdown defender again and scores 15-17 points. Of course then he usually misses a few games in a row after that. Maybe it's because he's playing too well and they're tanking.


Middleton has been twice as impactful. They have a winning record when Mids plays, and are one of the worst teams of all time when he doesn't.


Yet when he’s played in the month of March the Wizards have been outscored by 36 points, about 3-4 points per game, when he’s been on the floor. Not as positively impactful by your preferred +/- figures.


Why are you shrinking the sample size?
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Re: ATL - One Month To The Playoffs 

Post#50 » by Bucksmaniac » Sun Mar 23, 2025 2:48 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
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Middleton has been twice as impactful. They have a winning record when Mids plays, and are one of the worst teams of all time when he doesn't.


Yet when he’s played in the month of March the Wizards have been outscored by 36 points, about 3-4 points per game, when he’s been on the floor. Not as positively impactful by your preferred +/- figures.


Why are you shrinking the sample size?


March is a three week sample size, more than half the time he’s been here. It’s also indicative of what he looks like in the middle of a regular season grind which is relevant right now.
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Re: ATL - One Month To The Playoffs 

Post#51 » by paulpressey25 » Sun Mar 23, 2025 3:06 pm

Completely forgot the Wizards acquired Marcus Smart at the deadline. I can you can safely say both guys have helped the Wizards win a couple games they might not have otherwise.
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Re: ATL - One Month To The Playoffs 

Post#52 » by skbucks1985 » Sun Mar 23, 2025 3:28 pm

I just realized Cleveland has lost 4 straight, probably only matters in the instance they play OKC in the finals. But they've left just enough of an opening that Boston might play out the string a little longer because there's more of an opening to be able to steal the 1-seed.
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Re: ATL - One Month To The Playoffs 

Post#53 » by Bucksmaniac » Sun Mar 23, 2025 3:40 pm

skbucks1985 wrote:I just realized Cleveland has lost 4 straight, probably only matters in the instance they play OKC in the finals. But they've left just enough of an opening that Boston might play out the string a little longer because there's more of an opening to be able to steal the 1-seed.


If they somehow lose several more games in the next 8-10 then they will play Indiana with their full roster most likely to keep the 1 seed and give us a better chance at nabbing the 4 seed.
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Re: ATL - One Month To The Playoffs 

Post#54 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Mar 23, 2025 3:40 pm

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Yet when he’s played in the month of March the Wizards have been outscored by 36 points, about 3-4 points per game, when he’s been on the floor. Not as positively impactful by your preferred +/- figures.


Why are you shrinking the sample size?


March is a three week sample size, more than half the time he’s been here. It’s also indicative of what he looks like in the middle of a regular season grind which is relevant right now.


Shrinking a small sample into an even greater small sample is just trying to create a narrative.
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Re: ATL - One Month To The Playoffs 

Post#55 » by Bucksmaniac » Sun Mar 23, 2025 3:46 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Bucksmaniac wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Why are you shrinking the sample size?


March is a three week sample size, more than half the time he’s been here. It’s also indicative of what he looks like in the middle of a regular season grind which is relevant right now.


Shrinking a small sample into an even greater small sample is just trying to create a narrative.


I missed only 3 Washington games that were played by Middleton in using March numbers. What a false narrative :roll:
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Re: ATL - One Month To The Playoffs 

Post#56 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Mar 23, 2025 3:55 pm

Bucksmaniac wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Bucksmaniac wrote:
March is a three week sample size, more than half the time he’s been here. It’s also indicative of what he looks like in the middle of a regular season grind which is relevant right now.


Shrinking a small sample into an even greater small sample is just trying to create a narrative.


I missed only 3 Washington games that were played by Middleton in using March numbers. What a false narrative :roll:


Yeah, why cherry pick out those 3 games? Just use the whole sample. It's already a really small sample.
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Re: ATL - One Month To The Playoffs 

Post#57 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Mar 23, 2025 3:56 pm

Coby White is on a heater.
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Re: ATL - One Month To The Playoffs 

Post#58 » by skbucks1985 » Sun Mar 23, 2025 3:57 pm

Bucksmaniac wrote:
skbucks1985 wrote:I just realized Cleveland has lost 4 straight, probably only matters in the instance they play OKC in the finals. But they've left just enough of an opening that Boston might play out the string a little longer because there's more of an opening to be able to steal the 1-seed.


If they somehow lose several more games in the next 8-10 then they will play Indiana with their full roster most likely to keep the 1 seed and give us a better chance at nabbing the 4 seed.


There's all sorts of weird gaming the system strategies that could be used in those last few games. The Bucks last 2 games are against the Pistons. Depending on how things shake out, Detroit might prefer to stay at 6 and face the Knicks. Or the Knicks may fall into the 4-6 range.
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Re: ATL - One Month To The Playoffs 

Post#59 » by Profound23 » Sun Mar 23, 2025 4:17 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Completely forgot the Wizards acquired Marcus Smart at the deadline. I can you can safely say both guys have helped the Wizards win a couple games they might not have otherwise.



I've been living and working temporarily in Richmond for almost a year now. They adopted Washington sports teams there. Was blessed with Commander football and cursed with Wizard basketball. I've watched pretty much every game and Middleton hasn't had the impact people are trying to make it out to be. I love the guy and appreciate everything he did for this team but let's give it a rest.
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Re: ATL - One Month To The Playoffs 

Post#60 » by BigO » Sun Mar 23, 2025 4:30 pm

Plossum wrote:Fibs absolutely giving it to the Lakers with Bron and Luka back.



The Bulls are a dumb franchise. Rather than getting in the lottery, they continue to win meaningless games and hurt their future chances of success. They should have been tanking and now will be in the worst possible situation, much like the Bucks were for years.

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